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zkao
having atomic swaps makes monero more liquid, such that people in most need for monero can get it trustlessly through bitcoin, that is orders of magnitude more liquid and thus easier to get hold of. i hear you, that is less of an advantage to be the receiver of potentially taited bitcoins, but then exchanges deal with that very issue as well, and btc receiver policies can mitigate that.
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zkao
the opinion TrasherDK advocates suggests no one should exchange monero for any other coin, that means the only way for an outsider to get into monero is to become a miner, which is a high entry cost
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TrasherDK
zkao: I'm not advocating anything. I have no problem with KYC'ed FIAT -> bitcoin -> Monero entry path, if that's the only option, as it was in my case when I started. I wouldn't trade my Monero for bitcoin with some random unknown stranger, risking getting totally useless tainted crap back.
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Inge-
I saw a statistic saying something like 75% of bitcoin trading on BISQ would be rated as high risk by chainalysis companies
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Inge-
but don't have a clear source to back it up
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Inge-
But yeah - I'd be wary of getting BTC from randos
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sech1
These days, only freshly-minted (pool payout) or exchange-withdrawal BTC can be trusted
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Inge-
this doesn't seem to be catching on too much in the broader bitcoin community?
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midipoet
god you would be raging if 20 years down the line, you go to cash out your hodled BTC only to find it gets embargoed as it came from a more recently identified criminal wallet
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midipoet
maybe i should be sending my BTC to an exchange for washing
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midipoet
bet Kraken would love that
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Inge-
I just dip mine in lysol on a regular basis
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zkao
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Inge-
Still seems to me that ArticMines view is a good one - as long as you have validated KYC of the client accounts, you can follow up on this like any other laundering system
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Inge-
without bothering with chainalysis
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zkao
but if u have kyc u dont need a trustless system
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midipoet
zkao: ssssh you are ruining it
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Inge-
I refer to exhibit A - the line of national governments lining up to support trustless finance systems.
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midipoet
to be fair, they haven't banned them yet
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asymptotically
midipoet: but then kraken can follow your buttcoins
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xmr-pr
[css-proposals] h4sh3d opened pull request #145: Monero Atomic Swaps research funding
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xmr-pr
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luigi1111w
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rehrar
Ne
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needbrrrrrrr90
When is the regulatory framework coming out
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needbrrrrrrr90
Fluffy said it was literally done weeks ago
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needbrrrrrrr90
I can't keep saying 'yeah its done' as a mod and then...not have it exist
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fort3hlulz
Would love to be able to read and share that...
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fort3hlulz
Feels like it's been #soon for a looooong time
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dEBRUYNE
needbrrrrrrr90: They said it was going through review now on that same coffee chat
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needbrrrrrrr90
Yeah but how long is that
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dEBRUYNE
You'd have to ask them, but I was more referring to that you can answer those kind of questions with 'this framework is finished and currently in review'
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sarang
If it's being reviewed by lawyers, presumably there could be delays with that?
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niocbrrrrrr
has the compliance work group been in contact with those making the framework?
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niocbrrrrrr
doesn't seem like they have
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xmrmatterbridge
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monerobux
[REDDIT] Monero Outreach Merchants - Community Review (
monerooutreach.org/merchants) to r/Monero | 4 points (100.0%) | 1 comments | Posted by Thunderosa | Created at 2020-05-19 - 18:49:53
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neoflux[m]
Someone made a really great video exposing the Tether pump scam.
youtube.com/watch?v=aAUtXQ6FmxE
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monerobux
[ THE BIGGEST SCAM IN CRYPTO EXPOSED!!! - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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sgp_
needbrrrrrrr90: let me follow up with Tari