09:10:50 having atomic swaps makes monero more liquid, such that people in most need for monero can get it trustlessly through bitcoin, that is orders of magnitude more liquid and thus easier to get hold of. i hear you, that is less of an advantage to be the receiver of potentially taited bitcoins, but then exchanges deal with that very issue as well, and btc receiver policies can mitigate that. 09:16:24 the opinion TrasherDK advocates suggests no one should exchange monero for any other coin, that means the only way for an outsider to get into monero is to become a miner, which is a high entry cost 10:17:22 zkao: I'm not advocating anything. I have no problem with KYC'ed FIAT -> bitcoin -> Monero entry path, if that's the only option, as it was in my case when I started. I wouldn't trade my Monero for bitcoin with some random unknown stranger, risking getting totally useless tainted crap back. 10:37:14 I saw a statistic saying something like 75% of bitcoin trading on BISQ would be rated as high risk by chainalysis companies 10:37:19 but don't have a clear source to back it up 10:37:42 But yeah - I'd be wary of getting BTC from randos 10:49:45 These days, only freshly-minted (pool payout) or exchange-withdrawal BTC can be trusted 10:50:54 this doesn't seem to be catching on too much in the broader bitcoin community? 11:05:09 god you would be raging if 20 years down the line, you go to cash out your hodled BTC only to find it gets embargoed as it came from a more recently identified criminal wallet 11:05:21 maybe i should be sending my BTC to an exchange for washing 11:05:35 bet Kraken would love that 11:08:17 I just dip mine in lysol on a regular basis 11:08:31 https://blog.chainalysis.com/reports/money-laundering-cryptocurrency-2019 11:11:29 Still seems to me that ArticMines view is a good one - as long as you have validated KYC of the client accounts, you can follow up on this like any other laundering system 11:11:40 without bothering with chainalysis 11:12:54 but if u have kyc u dont need a trustless system 11:13:12 zkao: ssssh you are ruining it 11:14:03 I refer to exhibit A - the line of national governments lining up to support trustless finance systems. 11:18:22 to be fair, they haven't banned them yet 11:20:19 midipoet: but then kraken can follow your buttcoins 16:00:27 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] h4sh3d opened pull request #145: Monero Atomic Swaps research funding 16:00:27 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/145 17:29:45 does anyone have feedback on payout structure and timing for https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/142 17:53:56 Ne 18:10:29 When is the regulatory framework coming out 18:10:35 Fluffy said it was literally done weeks ago 18:10:53 I can't keep saying 'yeah its done' as a mod and then...not have it exist 18:18:15 Would love to be able to read and share that... 18:18:26 Feels like it's been #soon for a looooong time 18:20:42 needbrrrrrrr90: They said it was going through review now on that same coffee chat 18:22:04 Yeah but how long is that 18:35:54 You'd have to ask them, but I was more referring to that you can answer those kind of questions with 'this framework is finished and currently in review' 18:36:29 If it's being reviewed by lawyers, presumably there could be delays with that? 18:37:09 has the compliance work group been in contact with those making the framework? 18:41:24 doesn't seem like they have 19:12:10 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gmuncx/monero_outreach_merchants_community_review/ 19:12:11 [REDDIT] Monero Outreach Merchants - Community Review (https://www.monerooutreach.org/merchants/) to r/Monero | 4 points (100.0%) | 1 comments | Posted by Thunderosa | Created at 2020-05-19 - 18:49:53 19:20:55 Someone made a really great video exposing the Tether pump scam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUtXQ6FmxE 19:20:56 [ THE BIGGEST SCAM IN CRYPTO EXPOSED!!! - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 19:25:55 needbrrrrrrr90: let me follow up with Tari