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Mumuks[m]
xmrscott: i saw it in the weekly matrix, it caught my attention too
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dEBRUYNE
sgp_: Mind putting a brief response here too?
twitter.com/binance/status/1243877809384124416
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monerobux
[ Binance on Twitter: "What is @Monero? Monero is a Proof-of-Work cryptocurrency whose focus is on privacy, security, and untraceability. Community-oriented, it also focuses on ASIC resistance throu ] - twitter.com
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sgp_
.time
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monerobux
2020-03-28 - 14:22:22
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sgp_
Community meeting at 17 utc
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sgp_
dEBRUYNE: ErCiccione[m] beat me but I also replied
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sgp_
Meeting in 30
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sgp_
sarang: you will be present correct?
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sarang
roger
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sarang
or rather, affirmative
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sgp_
great :)
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sgp_
Hello everyone, meeting time! Happy Saturday
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sgp_
0. Introduction
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sgp_
We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
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sgp_
Link to agenda on GitHub:
monero-project/meta #450
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sgp_
Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
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sgp_
1. Greetings
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xmrscott[m]
Hola
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kinghat[m]
o/
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msvb-mob
Hello.
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sgp_
ping needmonero90 rehrar ErCiccione[m]
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» needmonero90 yawns
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» needmonero90 rolls over
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» needmonero90 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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sgp_
lol, you even get an extra hour of sleep now
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sgp_
2. Community highlights
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sgp_
See Monero weekly highlights at
revuo-monero.com
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sgp_
I’m soft announcing our new home!
communityworkgroup.org. We can use this page to more easily organize Monero Community Workgroup resources going forward. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders. If we have time during open ideas, I’d love to hear your ideas!
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sgp_
Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
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needmonero90
Still waking up, I'll think of something eventually
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sgp_
Community is tired :)
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sgp_
3. CCS updates
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needmonero90
Ah yes
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needmonero90
Publish0x is blacklisted now
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needmonero90
From the subreddit
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sgp_
long overdue
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needmonero90
Yup, but gotta get announced somewhere
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sgp_
check off that compliance requirement
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needmonero90
Additionally
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needmonero90
I'd like to thank osrsneedsf2p
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needmonero90
He helped us modify the regex for nonparticipation links, so that sister subreddits no longer get your comment removed
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needmonero90
Which is really really nics
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sgp_
excellent
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needmonero90
Nice
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needmonero90
Okay, that's it from my end. Probably one or two more minor things to announce, if I think of them I'll mention
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needmonero90
Carry on :)
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sgp_
speaking of compliance requirements....
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sgp_
Before we get into the usual CCS section, needmoney90 initiated a discussion on the topic of proactively preventing the CCS from being used as a potential vehicle for sanctions funding.
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sgp_
I’m soliciting feedback on adding the following attestation required to open a CCS proposal:
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sgp_
“I declare that I (and the entity and individuals I represent, if applicable) am/are not on OFAC’s Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List or otherwise covered by any other OFAC sanctions list, which may include entities and individuals in certain jurisdictions.”
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sgp_
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rehrar
Sorry here
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sgp_
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needmonero90
I would like the blurb determined by a lawyer
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needmonero90
That does not cover money moving to a covered entity
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sgp_
needmonero90: want to provide one?
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needmonero90
Which also is counted as part of the sanctions
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needmonero90
I've asked Fluffy to talk to the tari people, but thus far he hasn't responded
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needmonero90
Been a few days
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sgp_
you can also rip one from a large company's ToS you find
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ErCiccione[m]
sorry just arrived. Reading backlog
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sgp_
Does anyone have general questions on this or concerns?
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sgp_
Note: this is a *completely* preventative measure
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needmonero90
Nothing on my end, raising the issue once I was aware of it is all I can do atm
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sgp_
We may want to have a wider topic on terms of use like Zcash Foundation's:
grants.zfnd.org/tos
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sgp_
but we can do that later, just wanted to make sure people are aware of the conversation
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sgp_
needmonero90: want to open a github issue for it in meta?
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needmonero90
Sure.
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sgp_
thanks, it will help with organization
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sgp_
Funding required:
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sgp_
All proposals in funding required are fully-funded!
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rehrar
Disagree.
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rehrar
Don't ask don't tell.
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sgp_
rehrar: there are some concerns that may not be a sufficient policy
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rehrar
The CCS is not based in the USA.
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needmonero90
Donors can be.
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needmonero90
And they should be informed if so, no😆
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needmonero90
*?
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rehrar
They are donating money to the CCS, not the individual.
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rehrar
Which is not based in the CCS.
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sgp_
it's not that simple
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rehrar
*USA
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needmonero90
Ofac covers money transferring through entities to an Ofac covered entity
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needmonero90
It doesn't stop after one hop, you're expected to know the end recipient
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needmonero90
Which is bullshit
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needmonero90
But we're expected to self enforce, at penalty of $55k/violation and 20y in jail max penalty
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needmonero90
If we do not make a note in a CCS about where the money goes, we could have some serious issues for donors (or CCS maintainers should they be located in the US and facilitating the payment)
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selsta
Isn’t this something core team has to decide? They are operating the CCS.
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rehrar
Then what was done (nm90) saying what he found in the comments is the correct way to do.
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needmonero90
I got attacked for that
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rehrar
A measure should NOT be added to the CCS rules. Never.
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needmonero90
Apparently I shouldn't have even mentioned it
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needmonero90
Just ignore it and it'll go away
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needmonero90
Googling peoples usernames is unacceptable
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sgp_
needmonero90: I think people were upset you mentioned it in a specific proposal
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needmonero90
I was literally just told by rehrar to mention it in a specific proposal
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ErCiccione[m]
posting their suspected name in public is unaccettable
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needmonero90
His suggestion is what I just did
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needmonero90
Er, his 'suspected name' is literally the username he's using
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rottensox
^
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needmonero90
That's not doxxing dude
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sgp_
I didn't know rehrar suggested that
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rehrar
nm90 I'm not thrilled with using comments for it either, but if we HAD to do something, then I'd rather it be that than formalizing the CCS with this red tape.
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ErCiccione[m]
guys are you serious? Posting the suspected personal information on somebody (we are talking about a real profile) is not a good thing at all
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rehrar
Sgp he's referring to my comment above saying the comments would be the way to do it rather than codifying it.
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needmonero90
If it's the first Google result for their username I see no problem.
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needmonero90
That's called due diligence
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nioc
.w nioc
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monerobux
[WIKIPEDIA] National Iranian Oil Company | "The National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC; Persian: شرکت ملّی نفت ایران, romanized: Sherkat-e Melli-ye Naft-e Īrān) is a government-owned national oil and natural gas producer and distributor under the direction of the Ministry of Petroleum of Iran. NIOC was established in 1948 and restructured under The..." |
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_Oil_Company
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ErCiccione[m]
please
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sgp_
still, we should have an idea what to do going forward
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nioc
I guess that I should be banned
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rottensox
ErCiccione[m]: Who - 'My name is Moeen Mohamadi, a native Persian speaker.'
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/133
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rottensox
who posted suspected what if it's alreayd there?
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selsta
You can find real info of a lot of people by just googling, does mean it is okay. If they don’t link to their linkedin, you also shouldn’t in public.
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ErCiccione[m]
eh?
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sgp_
let's make sure this discussion doesn't get derailed too much into a mostly-unrelated topic
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needmonero90
Selsta: are we not allowed to look into the usernames of people we fund?
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needmonero90
Should we ignore that username histories exist?
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needmonero90
Are we not allowed to mention the results of the first page of a Google search?
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sgp_
I'm focusing just on making sure the CCS doesn't have unnecessary liability for donors, CCS proposers, and Core
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needmonero90
Exactly what kind of due diligence do you think is acceptable
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sgp_
needmonero90: maybe it's best to table that question for now
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needmonero90
Because expecting people to not Google a username and report on it is silly
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needmonero90
This is someone we're paying money...
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needmonero90
Anyways.
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rehrar
I sympathize with needmoney90 here somewhat. If someone new is asking for funds, to decide if this person is deserving someone might do a Google.
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kinghat[m]
maybe a longer term goal would be to setup a type of DAO that way nobody is responsible 🤷♂️
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xmrscott[m]
nm90: OSINT is technically fair game, but I digress
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needmonero90
Googling the username of a potential donee strikes me as like, the very basic of basic due diligence
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needmonero90
Exactly how else do you look into a person's history
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selsta
rehrar: Googling a person is okay. Posting their linkedin without asking isn’t. If there are doubts, core can do this in private.
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needmonero90
The username is like, the first thread
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needmonero90
Literally the first hit for his username
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needmonero90
How is reporting the first thing returned about his username doxxing
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nioc
given that nobody knows who donated to which CCS, who is responsible?
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needmonero90
Sorry for carrying on sgp
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sgp_
ok I need to cut this off, we need to take a step back since the discussion on what is fair to research isn't going to go anywhere
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needmonero90
I'm done
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sgp_
point is rehrar I'm representing a community's perspective in saying that your desired solution may not be adequate for the safety/liability of donors, CCS proposers and the funds they receive, etc. I genuinely think it's worth coming up with a ToS
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sgp_
even if Core doesn't care, other people might
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rehrar
Then people should assess the risk of donating to the CCS.
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rehrar
I will bring it up with core, but I'm certain they will not be happy with making a ToS.
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sgp_
well if the risk is high to the point the platform is useless, that's a community problem
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selsta
not sure why we should create a ToS for someone else.
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needmonero90
Like by being informed if there's a potential legal risk with donating to a certain proposal?
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sgp_
^
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rehrar
sgp_: then let it be so.
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sgp_
great :/
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rehrar
This is Monero, guys. We aren't Zcash.
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needmonero90
And we also don't want to open ourselves up to an easy attack
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rehrar
If the risk is too great for some on scary proposals, then don't donate.
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rehrar
Many/most proposals don't have this issue and won't carry risk.
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needmonero90
We already had proposals from venezuelans
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sgp_
the perception of a risky platform is a huge concern
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needmonero90
So we crossed the line already
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kinghat[m]
✊
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nioc
•sgp_> well if the risk is high to the point the platform is useless, that's a community problem <-- sending 3xmr is high risk?
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needmonero90
We should have had this discussion before any sanctioned countries came into the cross hair, but the discussion is happening now.
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sgp_
nioc: potentially, "it depends"
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needmonero90
[conversation totally over]
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rehrar
Just shut up if about if you donated or not?
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ErCiccione[m]
all this is way overamplified
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selsta
Core team has lawyers. They should decide all this. No one is a lawyer here so the discussion is useless.
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sgp_
in any case, I think we can move on for now. discussions can continue on Github or whatever
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sgp_
Ideas (to be discussed):
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sgp_
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sgp_
No movement on this in a month, so I will skip. Feedback was mostly negative last time we discussed it.
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ErCiccione[m]
selsta: +1
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sgp_
[Monero Aligned] Proposal for 1M5 Integration as Proxy, Brian Taylor (150 XMR)
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/127
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sgp_
No movement on this in a month, so I will skip.
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sgp_
Norwegian translation of webplate + footers + nav. Menu, Chris Avis (6 XMR)
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/129
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sgp_
Does anyone know the status of this?
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sgp_
rehrar do you recall if this was discussed last meeting?
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ErCiccione[m]
I'm ok with it. Fair price good quality
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sgp_
any other comments here? otherwise I think it can be moved
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rehrar
I don't recall.
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sgp_
Monero Debian Package Repository for 2 years, Patrick Schleizer (60 XMR)
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/130
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sgp_
Do we need to discuss this one further?
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rehrar
I say no. It should be moved.
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rehrar
Although prices on all of these should maybe be adjusted?
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sgp_
right, I encourage you and luigi to reping ones to be moved for a chance to update if needed
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rehrar
Sounds good. I'll ping him now.
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sgp_
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sgp_
approval from me
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selsta
I also gsve a +1
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sgp_
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sgp_
ErCiccione[m]: you expressed some concerns?
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ErCiccione
I say no. Most because of the high price and the fact that everything he writes is in an english more broken than mine
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ErCiccione
for that rate, i would expect a professional translator with a super CV
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sgp_
thanks, good to know
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xmrscott[m]
And thus English comprehension may not be adequate I take it?
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nioc
+1 for ErCiccione's proposal
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dEBRUYNE
I also deemed his comments toward the community quite negative
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TrasherDK
Second that.
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dEBRUYNE
Plus no track record of voluntary work on Monero (related) projects
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TrasherDK
That too.
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ErCiccione
i agree dEBRUYNE that was the nail of the coffin from me, very bad attitude
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sgp_
ok, sounds like a recommendation to reject there
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sgp_
Any other CCS comments before we move on?
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ErCiccione
(Thanks for the support btw selsta nioc sgp_)
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ErCiccione
i would have suggested him to ask half what is asking, but after his behaviour it's just a nono
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sgp_
ErCiccione: you're a frequent leader, we need more of that
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ErCiccione
onward!
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ErCiccione
:P
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dEBRUYNE
<ErCiccione> (Thanks for the support btw selsta nioc sgp_) <= Another +1 from me :p
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sgp_
4. Workgroup report
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dEBRUYNE
ErCiccione: Also him using the maximum rate of the rate bound you suggested
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sgp_
a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
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sgp_
new point release is out
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ErCiccione
dEBRUYNE: yeah that was sad (thank you too btw)
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sgp_
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sgp_
b. Localization workgroup
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sgp_
go ahead
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ErCiccione
Not much, but now the roadmap of the website is translatable on weblate
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ErCiccione
but
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ErCiccione
outreach folks are looking for people to create articles/art and whatever in languages different from english
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ErCiccione
so if anybody has anything to offer, get in touch with them
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ErCiccione
and one good news
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ErCiccione
can be that weblate soon will be able to translate plain markdown files
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ErCiccione
that could be useful to all workgroups, because would give the possibility to translate stuff that wasn't possible to translate before
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ErCiccione
so, keeping an eye on that
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ErCiccione
And there is big need of translators for the website:
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ErCiccione
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ErCiccione
so if you can and have time, please translate stuff
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ErCiccione
that's it
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sgp_
I'm looking forward to the markdown feature
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rehrar
I have something to discuss when this we ready for open ideas time.
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sgp_
noted rehrar
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ErCiccione
yeah, would solve the problem of the documentation of getmonero.
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sgp_
c. GUI workgroup
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sgp_
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sgp_
d. Outreach workgroup
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sgp_
Is anyone from outreach here?
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selsta
I can give a small GUI update
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sgp_
otherwise I'll just tease that there is a new article coming out soon with no other details
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sgp_
selsta: that would be much appreciated, thanks
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selsta
xiphon is working on an update downloader
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selsta
so that the GUI automatically downloads a new update, verifies the hashes and opens the folder containing the new version
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sarang
Does/will it use the stuff that moneromooo built for doing this?
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selsta
I think it shares some code but mooos tool is only for CLI currently as GUI has no reproducible builds yet
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rehrar
What's the word on that btw?
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rehrar
Reproducible builds for the GUI?
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selsta
still work in progress
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selsta
will take a while
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selsta
but progress is made already, you can build with cmake on linux and windows
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selsta
ok that’s all for GUI
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sgp_
selsta: I added a reminder to my notes to ask you for an update next time
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sgp_
e. Website workgroup
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sgp_
ErCiccione: you have the floor again
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ErCiccione
yay
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ErCiccione
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monerobux
[REDDIT] Getmonero.org updated: New roadmap page, 1 new moneropedia entry, 1 new FAQ entry, new MRL paper, updated guides and more (self.Monero) | 52 points (86.0%) | 11 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-03-25 - 11:23:58
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ErCiccione
as i said, the roadmap has now a different structure, it's translatable on weblate and it's much easier to update
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ErCiccione
i have some open MR that need testing, so please take a look:
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/monero-site/-/merge_requests
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ErCiccione
Currently working on adding another moneropedia entry and on the FAQ
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kinghat[m]
<selsta "but progress is made already, yo"> reproducible build on linux and win?
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selsta
no, only cmake
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selsta
which is a first step to reproducible builds
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kinghat[m]
not sure what that looks like on actual IRC btw
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sgp_
You also commented in a related discussion to move the website back to Github:
monero-project/meta #236#issuecomment-605023567
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kinghat[m]
thanks selsta
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ErCiccione
yes sgp_ i finally capitulated and now i agree we should move back monero-site to github
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ErCiccione
reasons explained in the comment you posted
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kinghat[m]
whats the word on the GUI builds for the current release?
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ErCiccione
hope core agrees and we can move back in a reasonable timeframe
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sgp_
I agree fwiw since I often forget to check Gitlab
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kinghat[m]
0.15.0.5*
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ErCiccione
i think that's the case for many
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selsta
kinghat[m]: Snipa does builds and he is a bit busy with setting up WFH for his workplace due to current events.
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selsta
so should be out some time, not sure when yet
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sgp_
I'm going to move on to the next update since we absolutely need to get to it, thanks selsta kinghat[m] and ErCiccione
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kinghat[m]
understandable. tyvm.
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sgp_
f. Monero Research Lab
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sarang
Hi
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sgp_
Sarang Noether has an important update on the Monero Research Lab
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sarang
My colleague suraeNoether stated in an earlier MRL meeting that he would have extremely limited availability for the time being
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sarang
partly because of this, CLSAG had been delayed while I waited on his approval/fixes for the preprint (he is a coauthor)
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sarang
I've since received his permission to just make changes and post the preprint
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sarang
So
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sarang
If anyone has ideas and thoughts about what they feel should be research priorities going forward, please join the next #monero-research-lab meeting on Wednesday at 17:00 UTC
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sarang
Because of this change, I'm now completing final proofreading of the CLSAG preprint
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sarang
and finalizing some optimized code for later audit/review
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sarang
as well as coordinating trezor/ledger support so it's ready to go
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sarang
Separately, Triptych-2 was posted to IACR, and I'm working on some multisig and join-type math for it
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sgp_
Do you expect to be the only full-time researcher for the foreseeable future?
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sarang
I am currently the only CCS-supported full-time researcher
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sarang
and I do not know when/if suraeNoether will choose to do full-time research
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sarang
I don't want to speak for him
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sgp_
thanks for the update. does anyone have any questions?
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sarang
So anyway, I'm working hard to get a lot of projects moving forward
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sarang
and will continue to do the best I can
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kinghat[m]
🙏
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sgp_
sarang: can you provide a nice overview of projects before the wednesday meeting?
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sarang
You mean an overview right now?
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sarang
Sure
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sarang
Or just post to a github gist for easy reading?
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sgp_
I was more thinking a gist, yes
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sarang
Sure
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sgp_
thank you
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sarang
Will post a link here and in -lab later today
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sarang
See -lab topic or meta github issue for meeting details
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sgp_
anything else sarang?
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sarang
No, I don't think so
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sgp_
ok, let's get to rehrar's thing then
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sgp_
5. Open ideas time
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sgp_
It’s open ideas time! Feel free to propose your ideas to this discussion group, and feel free to comment on others’ ideas. If you disagree with the idea, please reply with constructive criticism. Thank you!
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sgp_
go ahead rehrar
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rehrar
so yeah, I just wanted to get a general poll from attendees about putting together virtual meetups on a weekly or biweekly basis
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rehrar
would this be something that would just add noise? Or could it be useful for having fun (especially during these times)?
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sgp_
I'm for it but I'd rather just use Jitsi than VR
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needmonero90
so, VR really means 3d virtual space
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needmonero90
because it allows conversations to self organize
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M5M400
what kind of equipment does someone need to attend these meetings rehrar
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needmonero90
jitsi may be nice, but it has issues with multiple conversation tracks
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sgp_
also note that we have activities planned on every Saturday next month (2 community meetings, Coffee Chat, and Moneroversary)
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msvb-mob
A normal physical lab group is doing this with Jitsi, with limited success. Mostly socialising value.
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rehrar
M5M400: a computer
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needmonero90
theres no such thing as a 'hallway track' for a broadcast event
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msvb-mob
Probably is fun for some people, so it's good that rehrar is researching.
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M5M400
rehrar: no VR goggles or anything?
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rehrar
M5M400, VR equipment not needed for the VR space.
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needmonero90
possible but not necessary
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rehrar
M5M400, want to try it out after the meeting? It's browser based.
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sarang
rehrar and I tested this earlier
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M5M400
btw thanks for bringing jitsi to my life. I deployed it at work and it's replaced stupid webex since this crisis :)
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rehrar
It will take effort to organize, and I Don't know if this is the best use of my time if it won't be used, so I just wanted to get opinions.
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sgp_
M5M400: ikr, it's a life-saver
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M5M400
oh, I crashed into a meeting. sorry. didn't want to OT
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rehrar
M5M400, I know all of the FOSS.
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selsta
My laptop which works fine for developing is not strong enough VR so I guess you need a recent computer :P
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msvb-mob
rehrar: What was the results of testing the Mozilla meeting tool?
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rehrar
msvb-mob: everyone thought positively of it after use
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rehrar
it's quite versatile
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msvb-mob
The name?
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sgp_
I'm happy to announce a meeting in whatever format to the Monero Chicago meetup group
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sarang
The only downside was that volume is distance-dependent
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sarang
so it seemed unsuitable for a lecture-type event
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rehrar
msvb-mob: Mozilla Hubs
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sarang
as in, moving farther away from a speaker's avatar makes them quieter, as in real life
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rehrar
sarang: we tested and you can turn the speaker up
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sarang
Oh neat, nvm them
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sarang
*then
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rehrar
so much so that you can hear them from far away
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msvb-mob
sarang: The volume problem is when using Mozilla Hubs or another tool?
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rehrar
Hubs, but it's not a problem.
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sarang
the Mozilla tool that rehrar and I had tested
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sgp_
rehrar just wants to make sure we can't avoid his rants
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sarang
so I withdraw my comment msvb-mob
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rehrar
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rottensox
lol.
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rehrar
hop on sarang, sgp_, msvb-mob, rottensox, M5M400
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sarang
I unfortunately cannot (other tasks to complete today)
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rehrar
ok
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sgp_
see this is a case where jitsi is slightly easier since I want to be on while I make pancakes
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xmrscott[m]
I'm down for reoccuring VR meetups
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sgp_
anything else? I'll see if I can hop on while cooking
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xmrscott[m]
Or perhaps I should say 'VR' given technically you don't need a VR setup to use Mozilla Hubs
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kinghat[m]
as a long term goal why not look into a type of DOA for funding. not controlled centrally, no liability.
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sgp_
I'm going to wrap up the formal meeting now. Thanks for the idea rehrar; I think it's a good one
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rehrar
Coo
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sgp_
6. Confirm next meeting date/time
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sgp_
The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 11 April at 17:00 UTC.
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sgp_
The next Coffee Chat is next week on 4 April at 17:00 UTC. The Moneroversary is on April 18.
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sgp_
expect next meeting to mostly be about planning the moneroversary (maybe I'll schedule 2 hours)
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sgp_
7. Conclusion
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sgp_
That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.
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sgp_
here's the link again:
hub.link/ktcMqWR
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selsta
kinghat[m]: like Ethereum? or what is DOA?
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xmrscott[m]
Side note, I own monerocommunity.org (and .io and .com) if that would preferrable over the choosen URL for workgroups
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msvb-mob
Thanks sgp_, good meeting.
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kinghat[m]
sort of what like bisq is trying to accomplish, but not as complicated, selsta.
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nioc
is it DAO or DOA :)
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selsta
I’m curious how various big sites can accept Bitcoin donations without KYC when there is the possibility that they receive money from both US and sanctioned countries.
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selsta
But I don’t really want to start this topic again :D
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xmrscott[m]
Yeah, again, leave it to lawyers
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xmrscott[m]
Nothing us legal plebs can really do of note
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needmonero90
I'm pretty sure it only applies to sending money in
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needmonero90
im not finding anything on receiving money from a sanctioned entity
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needmonero90
only giving
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needmonero90
s/pretty sure/not a lawyer/
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monerobux
needmonero90 meant to say: I'm not a lawyer it only applies to sending money in
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kinghat[m]
for serial though, a decentralized funding system would solve it. any can send money in. it pays out based on x criteria and "it" cant be censored or held liable.
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needmonero90
what criteria
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ErCiccione[m]
kinghat: that's hard to integrate something like that with the structure of our community
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ErCiccione[m]
i think best would be to decentralize the funding as much as possible
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kinghat[m]
whatever criteria the builders of the network decide 🤷♂️
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ErCiccione[m]
meaning having many different "CCS" system managed by different people/structures
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kinghat[m]
just like you guys have set up criteria for CCS.
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ErCiccione[m]
But would be cool to have something like that. THat was i found more interesting in Bisq some time ago
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ErCiccione[m]
before realizing it has more problems than solutions
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kinghat[m]
also there wouldnt be wishy washy bending of rules and meetings about things. it either meets the criteria or it doesnt.
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selsta
What if someone completes translations but the quality is bad. How would a decentralized system say if it is ok or isn’t? Do people vote? Is this part centralized?
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ErCiccione[m]
selsta: the trick would be to askthe reward after the task is completed, so people can check the quality
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kinghat[m]
that would be up to the users to fund someone who hasnt shown any translations up to that point.
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ErCiccione[m]
and after decide if they think worth being rewarded or not
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selsta
ErCiccione[m]: who are these people in a decentralized system?
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kinghat[m]
contributer could translate for a release first and say this is the quality of my work. or here is my prior work on other projects. or complete it first and then ask for funds.
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selsta
kinghat[m]: I don’t understand. If someone gets funded, do they get the money without someone checking if the work is good?
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ErCiccione[m]
selsta: that's what i meant with "hard to integrate something like that with the structure of our community", because you would need some kind of stake
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selsta
right, I’m also not convinced
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kinghat[m]
for that specific case, wouldnt a merge into the tree be considered complete?
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selsta
This might work in some cases.
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ErCiccione[m]
What are we talking about? Bisq's model?
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kinghat[m]
it could all be voted on too. you could tie voting accounts and repuation to outside sources like reddit for example.