04:49:35 <Mumuks[m]> xmrscott: i saw it in the weekly matrix, it caught my attention  too
12:56:11 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Mind putting a brief response here too? https://twitter.com/binance/status/1243877809384124416
12:56:11 <monerobux> [ Binance on Twitter: "What is @Monero? Monero is a Proof-of-Work cryptocurrency whose focus is on privacy, security, and untraceability. Community-oriented, it also focuses on ASIC resistance throu ] - twitter.com
14:22:22 <sgp_> .time
14:22:22 <monerobux> 2020-03-28 - 14:22:22
14:22:30 <sgp_> Community meeting at 17 utc
14:24:45 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE: ErCiccione[m] beat me but I also replied
16:25:59 <sgp_> Meeting in 30
16:48:10 <sgp_> sarang: you will be present correct?
16:48:23 <sarang> roger
16:48:37 <sarang> or rather, affirmative
16:48:44 <sgp_> great :)
17:00:39 <sgp_> Hello everyone, meeting time! Happy Saturday
17:00:51 <sgp_> 0. Introduction
17:00:57 <sgp_> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
17:01:05 <sgp_> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/450
17:01:11 <sgp_> Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
17:01:16 <sgp_> 1. Greetings
17:01:29 <xmrscott[m]> Hola
17:01:42 <kinghat[m]> o/
17:02:40 <msvb-mob> Hello.
17:03:05 <sgp_> ping needmonero90 rehrar ErCiccione[m]
17:03:43 * needmonero90 yawns
17:03:47 * needmonero90 rolls over
17:04:01 * needmonero90 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
17:04:17 <sgp_> lol, you even get an extra hour of sleep now
17:04:23 <sgp_> 2. Community highlights
17:04:28 <sgp_> See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
17:04:35 <sgp_> I’m soft announcing our new home! https://communityworkgroup.org. We can use this page to more easily organize Monero Community Workgroup resources going forward. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders. If we have time during open ideas, I’d love to hear your ideas!
17:04:43 <sgp_> Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
17:05:41 <needmonero90> Still waking up, I'll think of something eventually
17:06:04 <sgp_> Community is tired :)
17:06:11 <sgp_> 3. CCS updates
17:06:15 <needmonero90> Ah yes
17:06:20 <needmonero90> Publish0x is blacklisted now
17:06:24 <needmonero90> From the subreddit
17:06:29 <sgp_> long overdue
17:06:45 <needmonero90> Yup, but gotta get announced somewhere
17:06:58 <sgp_> check off that compliance requirement
17:07:05 <needmonero90> Additionally
17:07:15 <needmonero90> I'd like to thank osrsneedsf2p
17:07:34 <needmonero90> He helped us modify the regex for nonparticipation links, so that sister subreddits no longer get your comment removed
17:07:44 <needmonero90> Which is really really nics
17:07:44 <sgp_> excellent
17:07:46 <needmonero90> Nice
17:08:17 <needmonero90> Okay, that's it from my end. Probably one or two more minor things to announce, if I think of them I'll mention
17:08:22 <needmonero90> Carry on :)
17:08:27 <sgp_> speaking of compliance requirements....
17:08:37 <sgp_> Before we get into the usual CCS section, needmoney90 initiated a discussion on the topic of proactively preventing the CCS from being used as a potential vehicle for sanctions funding.
17:08:42 <sgp_> I’m soliciting feedback on adding the following attestation required to open a CCS proposal:
17:08:51 <sgp_> “I declare that I (and the entity and individuals I represent, if applicable) am/are not on OFAC’s Specially Designated Nationals and Blocked Persons List or otherwise covered by any other OFAC sanctions list, which may include entities and individuals in certain jurisdictions.”
17:08:58 <sgp_> https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Pages/default.aspxtions
17:09:03 <rehrar> Sorry here
17:09:07 <sgp_> https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Pages/default.aspx ^^
17:09:08 <needmonero90> I would like the blurb determined by a lawyer
17:09:16 <needmonero90> That does not cover money moving to a covered entity
17:09:23 <sgp_> needmonero90: want to provide one?
17:09:25 <needmonero90> Which also is counted as part of the sanctions
17:09:38 <needmonero90> I've asked Fluffy to talk to the tari people, but thus far he hasn't responded
17:09:41 <needmonero90> Been a few days
17:09:55 <sgp_> you can also rip one from a large company's ToS you find
17:09:56 <ErCiccione[m]> sorry just arrived. Reading backlog
17:10:55 <sgp_> Does anyone have general questions on this or concerns?
17:11:14 <sgp_> Note: this is a *completely* preventative measure
17:12:07 <needmonero90> Nothing on my end, raising the issue once I was aware of it is all I can do atm
17:12:42 <sgp_> We may want to have a wider topic on terms of use like Zcash Foundation's: https://grants.zfnd.org/tos
17:12:58 <sgp_> but we can do that later, just wanted to make sure people are aware of the conversation
17:13:08 <sgp_> needmonero90: want to open a github issue for it in meta?
17:13:32 <needmonero90> Sure.
17:13:42 <sgp_> thanks, it will help with organization
17:13:46 <sgp_> Funding required:
17:13:51 <sgp_> All proposals in funding required are fully-funded!
17:13:57 <rehrar> Disagree.
17:14:04 <rehrar> Don't ask don't tell.
17:14:36 <sgp_> rehrar: there are some concerns that may not be a sufficient policy
17:15:03 <rehrar> The CCS is not based in the USA.
17:15:11 <needmonero90> Donors can be.
17:15:18 <needmonero90> And they should be informed if so, no😆
17:15:20 <needmonero90> *?
17:15:22 <rehrar> They are donating money to the CCS, not the individual.
17:15:29 <rehrar> Which is not based in the CCS.
17:15:39 <sgp_> it's not that simple
17:15:40 <rehrar> *USA
17:15:43 <needmonero90> Ofac covers money transferring through entities to an Ofac covered entity
17:15:59 <needmonero90> It doesn't stop after one hop, you're expected to know the end recipient
17:16:04 <needmonero90> Which is bullshit
17:16:23 <needmonero90> But we're expected to self enforce, at penalty of $55k/violation and 20y in jail max penalty
17:17:21 <needmonero90> If we do not make a note in a CCS about where the money goes, we could have some serious issues for donors (or CCS maintainers should they be located in the US and facilitating the payment)
17:17:22 <selsta> Isn’t this something core team has to decide? They are operating the CCS.
17:17:31 <rehrar> Then what was done (nm90) saying what he found in the comments is the correct way to do.
17:17:41 <needmonero90> I got attacked for that
17:17:43 <rehrar> A measure should NOT be added to the CCS rules. Never.
17:17:46 <needmonero90> Apparently I shouldn't have even mentioned it
17:17:53 <needmonero90> Just ignore it and it'll go away
17:18:01 <needmonero90> Googling peoples usernames is unacceptable
17:18:07 <sgp_> needmonero90: I think people were upset you mentioned it in a specific proposal
17:18:24 <needmonero90> I was literally just told by rehrar to mention it in a specific proposal
17:18:25 <ErCiccione[m]> posting their suspected name in public is unaccettable
17:18:30 <needmonero90> His suggestion is what I just did
17:18:39 <needmonero90> Er, his 'suspected name' is literally the username he's using
17:18:44 <rottensox> ^
17:18:47 <needmonero90> That's not doxxing dude
17:19:27 <sgp_> I didn't know rehrar suggested that
17:19:30 <rehrar> nm90 I'm not thrilled with using comments for it either, but if we HAD to do something, then I'd rather it be that than formalizing the CCS with this red tape.
17:19:37 <ErCiccione[m]> guys are you serious? Posting the suspected personal information on somebody (we are talking about a real profile) is not a good thing at all
17:19:57 <rehrar> Sgp he's referring to my comment above saying the comments would be the way to do it rather than codifying it.
17:19:58 <needmonero90> If it's the first Google result for their username I see no problem.
17:20:14 <needmonero90> That's called due diligence
17:20:23 <nioc> .w nioc
17:20:23 <monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] National Iranian Oil Company | "The National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC; Persian: شرکت ملّی نفت ایران‎, romanized: Sherkat-e Melli-ye Naft-e Īrān) is a government-owned national oil and natural gas producer and distributor under the direction of the Ministry of Petroleum of Iran. NIOC was established in 1948 and restructured under The..." | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Iranian_Oil_Company
17:20:24 <ErCiccione[m]> please
17:20:24 <sgp_> still, we should have an idea what to do going forward
17:20:41 <nioc> I guess that I should be banned
17:20:47 <rottensox> ErCiccione[m]: Who - 'My name is Moeen Mohamadi, a native Persian speaker.' https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/133
17:20:57 <rottensox> who posted suspected what if it's alreayd there?
17:21:08 <selsta> You can find real info of a lot of people by just googling, does mean it is okay. If they don’t link to their linkedin, you also shouldn’t in public.
17:21:13 <ErCiccione[m]> eh?
17:21:32 <sgp_> let's make sure this discussion doesn't get derailed too much into a mostly-unrelated topic
17:21:35 <needmonero90> Selsta: are we not allowed to look into the usernames of people we fund?
17:21:46 <needmonero90> Should we ignore that username histories exist?
17:21:57 <needmonero90> Are we not allowed to mention the results of the first page of a Google search?
17:21:58 <sgp_> I'm focusing just on making sure the CCS doesn't have unnecessary liability for donors, CCS proposers, and Core
17:22:05 <needmonero90> Exactly what kind of due diligence do you think is acceptable
17:22:11 <sgp_> needmonero90: maybe it's best to table that question for now
17:22:18 <needmonero90> Because expecting people to not Google a username and report on it is silly
17:22:26 <needmonero90> This is someone we're paying money...
17:22:28 <needmonero90> Anyways.
17:22:32 <rehrar> I sympathize with needmoney90 here somewhat. If someone new is asking for funds, to decide if this person is deserving someone might do a Google.
17:22:32 <kinghat[m]> maybe a longer term goal would be to setup a type of DAO that way nobody is responsible 🤷‍♂️
17:22:36 <xmrscott[m]> nm90: OSINT is technically fair game, but I digress
17:23:00 <needmonero90> Googling the username of a potential donee strikes me as like, the very basic of basic due diligence
17:23:10 <needmonero90> Exactly how else do you look into a person's history
17:23:14 <selsta> rehrar: Googling a person is okay. Posting their linkedin without asking isn’t. If there are doubts, core can do this in private.
17:23:15 <needmonero90> The username is like, the first thread
17:23:29 <needmonero90> Literally the first hit for his username
17:23:40 <needmonero90> How is reporting the first thing returned about his username doxxing
17:23:41 <nioc> given that nobody knows who donated to which CCS, who is responsible?
17:24:15 <needmonero90> Sorry for carrying on sgp
17:24:16 <sgp_> ok I need to cut this off, we need to take a step back since the discussion on what is fair to research isn't going to go anywhere
17:24:18 <needmonero90> I'm done
17:25:33 <sgp_> point is rehrar I'm representing a community's perspective in saying that your desired solution may not be adequate for the safety/liability of donors, CCS proposers and the funds they receive, etc. I genuinely think it's worth coming up with a ToS
17:25:59 <sgp_> even if Core doesn't care, other people might
17:26:05 <rehrar> Then people should assess the risk of donating to the CCS.
17:26:19 <rehrar> I will bring it up with core, but I'm certain they will not be happy with making a ToS.
17:26:23 <sgp_> well if the risk is high to the point the platform is useless, that's a community problem
17:26:24 <selsta> not sure why we should create a ToS for someone else.
17:26:26 <needmonero90> Like by being informed if there's a potential legal risk with donating to a certain proposal?
17:26:34 <sgp_> ^
17:26:41 <rehrar> sgp_: then let it be so.
17:26:53 <sgp_> great :/
17:26:55 <rehrar> This is Monero, guys. We aren't Zcash.
17:27:23 <needmonero90> And we also don't want to open ourselves up to an easy attack
17:27:23 <rehrar> If the risk is too great for some on scary proposals, then don't donate.
17:27:34 <rehrar> Many/most proposals don't have this issue and won't carry risk.
17:27:50 <needmonero90> We already had proposals from venezuelans
17:27:59 <sgp_> the perception of a risky platform is a huge concern
17:28:02 <needmonero90> So we crossed the line already
17:28:12 <kinghat[m]> ✊
17:28:15 <nioc> •sgp_>  well if the risk is high to the point the platform is useless, that's a community problem <-- sending 3xmr is high risk?
17:28:39 <needmonero90> We should have had this discussion before any sanctioned countries came into the cross hair, but the discussion is happening now.
17:28:41 <sgp_> nioc: potentially, "it depends"
17:28:49 <needmonero90> [conversation totally over]
17:28:54 <rehrar> Just shut up if about if you donated or not?
17:28:57 <ErCiccione[m]> all this is way overamplified
17:29:37 <selsta> Core team has lawyers. They should decide all this. No one is a lawyer here so the discussion is useless.
17:29:39 <sgp_> in any case, I think we can move on for now. discussions can continue on Github or whatever
17:29:48 <sgp_> Ideas (to be discussed):
17:29:52 <sgp_> Mining outreach, Ministo (40 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/124
17:29:57 <sgp_> No movement on this in a month, so I will skip. Feedback was mostly negative last time we discussed it.
17:30:00 <ErCiccione[m]> selsta: +1
17:30:09 <sgp_>  [Monero Aligned] Proposal for 1M5 Integration as Proxy, Brian Taylor (150 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/127
17:30:14 <sgp_> No movement on this in a month, so I will skip.
17:30:23 <sgp_> Norwegian translation of webplate + footers + nav. Menu, Chris Avis (6 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/129
17:30:27 <sgp_> Does anyone know the status of this?
17:31:29 <sgp_> rehrar do you recall if this was discussed last meeting?
17:31:33 <ErCiccione[m]> I'm ok with it. Fair price good quality
17:32:49 <sgp_> any other comments here? otherwise I think it can be moved
17:32:51 <rehrar> I don't recall.
17:33:46 <sgp_> Monero Debian Package Repository for 2 years, Patrick Schleizer (60 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/130
17:33:52 <sgp_> Do we need to discuss this one further?
17:34:08 <rehrar> I say no. It should be moved.
17:34:18 <rehrar> Although prices on all of these should maybe be adjusted?
17:34:44 <sgp_> right, I encourage you and luigi to reping ones to be moved for a chance to update if needed
17:35:36 <rehrar> Sounds good. I'll ping him now.
17:35:37 <sgp_> erciccione: part time work (April-May) on Getmonero.org https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/134
17:36:19 <sgp_> approval from me
17:36:40 <selsta> I also gsve a +1
17:37:26 <sgp_> Persian translation of the GUI wallet https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/133
17:38:01 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: you expressed some concerns?
17:38:23 <ErCiccione> I say no. Most because of the high price and the fact that everything he writes is in an english more broken than mine
17:39:04 <ErCiccione> for that rate, i would expect a professional translator with a super CV
17:39:12 <sgp_> thanks, good to know
17:39:15 <xmrscott[m]> And thus English comprehension may not be adequate I take it?
17:39:40 <nioc> +1 for ErCiccione's proposal
17:39:46 <dEBRUYNE> I also deemed his comments toward the community quite negative
17:39:58 <TrasherDK> Second that.
17:40:07 <dEBRUYNE> Plus no track record of voluntary work on Monero (related) projects
17:40:16 <TrasherDK> That too.
17:40:34 <ErCiccione> i agree dEBRUYNE that was the nail of the coffin from me, very bad attitude
17:40:55 <sgp_> ok, sounds like a recommendation to reject there
17:41:00 <sgp_> Any other CCS comments before we move on?
17:41:02 <ErCiccione> (Thanks for the support btw selsta nioc sgp_)
17:41:37 <ErCiccione> i would have suggested him to ask half what is asking, but after his behaviour it's just a nono
17:41:38 <sgp_> ErCiccione: you're a frequent leader, we need more of that
17:42:08 <ErCiccione> onward!
17:42:09 <ErCiccione> :P
17:42:17 <dEBRUYNE> <ErCiccione> (Thanks for the support btw selsta nioc sgp_) <= Another +1 from me :p
17:42:29 <sgp_> 4. Workgroup report
17:42:39 <dEBRUYNE> ErCiccione: Also him using the maximum rate of the rate bound you suggested
17:42:46 <sgp_> a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
17:42:53 <sgp_> new point release is out
17:43:05 <ErCiccione> dEBRUYNE: yeah that was sad (thank you too btw)
17:43:11 <sgp_> https://getmonero.org/2020/03/19/monero-0.15.0.5-released.html
17:43:19 <sgp_> b. Localization workgroup
17:43:22 <sgp_> go ahead
17:43:53 <ErCiccione> Not much, but now the roadmap of the website is translatable on weblate
17:44:19 <ErCiccione> but
17:44:43 <ErCiccione> outreach folks are looking for people to create articles/art and whatever in languages different from english
17:44:58 <ErCiccione> so if anybody has anything to offer, get in touch with them
17:45:16 <ErCiccione> and one good news
17:45:40 <ErCiccione> can be that weblate soon will be able to translate plain markdown files
17:45:59 <ErCiccione> that could be useful to all workgroups, because would give the possibility to translate stuff that wasn't possible to translate before
17:46:15 <ErCiccione> so, keeping an eye on that
17:46:36 <ErCiccione> And there is big need of translators for the website:
17:46:51 <ErCiccione> https://translate.getmonero.org/projects/getmonero/monero-site/
17:47:03 <ErCiccione> so if you can and have time, please translate stuff
17:47:06 <ErCiccione> that's it
17:47:34 <sgp_> I'm looking forward to the markdown feature
17:47:53 <rehrar> I have something to discuss when this we ready for open ideas time.
17:47:59 <sgp_> noted rehrar
17:48:02 <ErCiccione> yeah, would solve the problem of the documentation of getmonero.
17:48:05 <sgp_> c. GUI workgroup
17:48:12 <sgp_> https://getmonero.org/2020/03/05/monero-GUI-0.15.0.4-released.html
17:48:22 <sgp_> d. Outreach workgroup
17:48:29 <sgp_> Is anyone from outreach here?
17:48:45 <selsta> I can give a small GUI update
17:48:46 <sgp_> otherwise I'll just tease that there is a new article coming out soon with no other details
17:48:52 <sgp_> selsta: that would be much appreciated, thanks
17:49:04 <selsta> xiphon is working on an update downloader
17:49:34 <selsta> so that the GUI automatically downloads a new update, verifies the hashes and opens the folder containing the new version
17:49:52 <sarang> Does/will it use the stuff that moneromooo built for doing this?
17:50:14 <selsta> I think it shares some code but mooos tool is only for CLI currently as GUI has no reproducible builds yet
17:50:30 <rehrar> What's the word on that btw?
17:50:36 <rehrar> Reproducible builds for the GUI?
17:50:49 <selsta> still work in progress
17:50:54 <selsta> will take a while
17:51:14 <selsta> but progress is made already, you can build with cmake on linux and windows
17:51:54 <selsta> ok that’s all for GUI
17:52:27 <sgp_> selsta: I added a reminder to my notes to ask you for an update next time
17:52:53 <sgp_> e. Website workgroup
17:53:01 <sgp_> ErCiccione: you have the floor again
17:53:11 <ErCiccione> yay
17:53:41 <ErCiccione> i posted updates here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/foooc6/getmoneroorg_updated_new_roadmap_page_1_new/
17:53:42 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Getmonero.org updated: New roadmap page, 1 new moneropedia entry, 1 new FAQ entry, new MRL paper, updated guides and more (self.Monero) | 52 points (86.0%) | 11 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-03-25 - 11:23:58
17:54:31 <ErCiccione> as i said, the roadmap has now a different structure, it's translatable on weblate and it's much easier to update
17:55:00 <ErCiccione> i have some open MR that need testing, so please take a look: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/monero-site/-/merge_requests
17:55:30 <ErCiccione> Currently working on adding another moneropedia entry and on the FAQ
17:55:43 <kinghat[m]> <selsta "but progress is made already, yo"> reproducible build on linux and win?
17:56:11 <selsta> no, only cmake
17:56:20 <selsta> which is a first step to reproducible builds
17:56:23 <kinghat[m]> not sure what that looks like on actual IRC btw
17:56:43 <sgp_> You also commented in a related discussion to move the website back to Github: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236#issuecomment-605023567
17:56:47 <kinghat[m]> thanks selsta
17:57:15 <ErCiccione> yes sgp_ i finally capitulated and now i agree we should move back monero-site to github
17:57:29 <ErCiccione> reasons explained in the comment you posted
17:57:54 <kinghat[m]> whats the word on the GUI builds for the current release?
17:57:59 <ErCiccione> hope core agrees and we can move back in a reasonable timeframe
17:58:02 <sgp_> I agree fwiw since I often forget to check Gitlab
17:58:26 <kinghat[m]> 0.15.0.5*
17:58:28 <ErCiccione> i think that's the case for many
17:58:47 <selsta> kinghat[m]: Snipa does builds and he is a bit busy with setting up WFH for his workplace due to current events.
17:58:59 <selsta> so should be out some time, not sure when yet
17:59:05 <sgp_> I'm going to move on to the next update since we absolutely need to get to it, thanks selsta kinghat[m] and ErCiccione
17:59:06 <kinghat[m]> understandable. tyvm.
17:59:16 <sgp_> f. Monero Research Lab
17:59:19 <sarang> Hi
17:59:20 <sgp_> Sarang Noether has an important update on the Monero Research Lab
17:59:47 <sarang> My colleague suraeNoether stated in an earlier MRL meeting that he would have extremely limited availability for the time being
18:00:18 <sarang> partly because of this, CLSAG had been delayed while I waited on his approval/fixes for the preprint (he is a coauthor)
18:00:27 <sarang> I've since received his permission to just make changes and post the preprint
18:00:28 <sarang> So
18:01:19 <sarang> If anyone has ideas and thoughts about what they feel should be research priorities going forward, please join the next #monero-research-lab meeting on Wednesday at 17:00 UTC
18:01:46 <sarang> Because of this change, I'm now completing final proofreading of the CLSAG preprint
18:01:56 <sarang> and finalizing some optimized code for later audit/review
18:02:08 <sarang> as well as coordinating trezor/ledger support so it's ready to go
18:02:28 <sarang> Separately, Triptych-2 was posted to IACR, and I'm working on some multisig and join-type math for it
18:03:23 <sgp_> Do you expect to be the only full-time researcher for the foreseeable future?
18:03:38 <sarang> I am currently the only CCS-supported full-time researcher
18:03:56 <sarang> and I do not know when/if suraeNoether will choose to do full-time research
18:04:01 <sarang> I don't want to speak for him
18:04:06 <sgp_> thanks for the update. does anyone have any questions?
18:04:29 <sarang> So anyway, I'm working hard to get a lot of projects moving forward
18:04:44 <sarang> and will continue to do the best I can
18:05:27 <kinghat[m]> 🙏
18:05:59 <sgp_> sarang: can you provide a nice overview of projects before the wednesday meeting?
18:06:14 <sarang> You mean an overview right now?
18:06:15 <sarang> Sure
18:06:44 <sarang> Or just post to a github gist for easy reading?
18:06:49 <sgp_> I was more thinking a gist, yes
18:06:52 <sarang> Sure
18:06:58 <sgp_> thank you
18:07:00 <sarang> Will post a link here and in -lab later today
18:07:10 <sarang> See -lab topic or meta github issue for meeting details
18:08:10 <sgp_> anything else sarang?
18:08:28 <sarang> No, I don't think so
18:08:37 <sgp_> ok, let's get to rehrar's thing then
18:08:38 <sgp_> 5. Open ideas time
18:08:44 <sgp_> It’s open ideas time! Feel free to propose your ideas to this discussion group, and feel free to comment on others’ ideas. If you disagree with the idea, please reply with constructive criticism. Thank you!
18:08:47 <sgp_> go ahead rehrar
18:09:12 <rehrar> so yeah, I just wanted to get a general poll from attendees about putting together virtual meetups on a weekly or biweekly basis
18:09:31 <rehrar> would this be something that would just add noise? Or could it be useful for having fun (especially during these times)?
18:09:52 <sgp_> I'm for it but I'd rather just use Jitsi than VR
18:10:22 <needmonero90> so, VR really means 3d virtual space
18:10:29 <needmonero90> because it allows conversations to self organize
18:10:32 <M5M400> what kind of equipment does someone need to attend these meetings rehrar
18:10:42 <needmonero90> jitsi may be nice, but it has issues with multiple conversation tracks
18:10:46 <sgp_> also note that we have activities planned on every Saturday next month (2 community meetings, Coffee Chat, and Moneroversary)
18:10:47 <msvb-mob> A normal physical lab group is doing this with Jitsi, with limited success. Mostly socialising value.
18:10:51 <rehrar> M5M400: a computer
18:10:54 <needmonero90> theres no such thing as a 'hallway track' for a broadcast event
18:11:16 <msvb-mob> Probably is fun for some people, so it's good that rehrar is researching.
18:11:19 <M5M400> rehrar: no VR goggles or anything?
18:11:25 <rehrar> M5M400, VR equipment not needed for the VR space.
18:11:27 <needmonero90> possible but not necessary
18:11:41 <rehrar> M5M400, want to try it out after the meeting? It's browser based.
18:11:52 <sarang> rehrar and I tested this earlier
18:11:57 <M5M400> btw thanks for bringing jitsi to my life. I deployed it at work and it's replaced stupid webex since this crisis :)
18:12:08 <rehrar> It will take effort to organize, and I Don't know if this is the best use of my time if it won't be used, so I just wanted to get opinions.
18:12:10 <sgp_> M5M400: ikr, it's a life-saver
18:12:20 <M5M400> oh, I crashed into a meeting. sorry. didn't want to OT
18:12:21 <rehrar> M5M400, I know all of the FOSS.
18:12:40 <selsta> My laptop which works fine for developing is not strong enough VR so I guess you need a recent computer :P
18:13:07 <msvb-mob> rehrar: What was the results of testing the Mozilla meeting tool?
18:13:25 <rehrar> msvb-mob: everyone thought positively of it after use
18:13:28 <rehrar> it's quite versatile
18:13:34 <msvb-mob> The name?
18:13:38 <sgp_> I'm happy to announce a meeting in whatever format to the Monero Chicago meetup group
18:13:42 <sarang> The only downside was that volume is distance-dependent
18:13:50 <sarang> so it seemed unsuitable for a lecture-type event
18:14:04 <rehrar> msvb-mob: Mozilla Hubs
18:14:09 <sarang> as in, moving farther away from a speaker's avatar makes them quieter, as in real life
18:14:14 <rehrar> sarang: we tested and you can turn the speaker up
18:14:21 <sarang> Oh neat, nvm them
18:14:22 <sarang> *then
18:14:24 <rehrar> so much so that you can hear them from far away
18:14:44 <msvb-mob> sarang: The volume problem is when using Mozilla Hubs or another tool?
18:14:51 <rehrar> Hubs, but it's not a problem.
18:14:55 <sarang> the Mozilla tool that rehrar and I had tested
18:14:56 <sgp_> rehrar just wants to make sure we can't avoid his rants
18:15:02 <sarang> so I withdraw my comment msvb-mob
18:15:06 <rehrar> https://hub.link/ktcMqWR
18:15:11 <rottensox> lol.
18:15:23 <rehrar> hop on sarang, sgp_, msvb-mob, rottensox, M5M400
18:15:45 <sarang> I unfortunately cannot (other tasks to complete today)
18:15:49 <rehrar> ok
18:15:52 <sgp_> see this is a case where jitsi is slightly easier since I want to be on while I make pancakes
18:15:54 <xmrscott[m]> I'm down for reoccuring VR meetups
18:16:55 <sgp_> anything else? I'll see if I can hop on while cooking
18:17:16 <xmrscott[m]> Or perhaps I should say 'VR' given technically you don't need a VR setup to use Mozilla Hubs
18:18:00 <kinghat[m]> as a long term goal why not look into a type of DOA for funding. not controlled centrally, no liability.
18:18:10 <sgp_> I'm going to wrap up the formal meeting now. Thanks for the idea rehrar; I think it's a good one
18:18:28 <rehrar> Coo
18:18:31 <sgp_> 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
18:18:37 <sgp_> The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 11 April at 17:00 UTC.
18:18:44 <sgp_> The next Coffee Chat is next week on 4 April at 17:00 UTC. The Moneroversary is on April 18.
18:19:01 <sgp_> expect next meeting to mostly be about planning the moneroversary (maybe I'll schedule 2 hours)
18:19:08 <sgp_> 7. Conclusion
18:19:13 <sgp_> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.
18:19:41 <sgp_> here's the link again: https://hub.link/ktcMqWR
18:20:09 <selsta> kinghat[m]: like Ethereum? or what is DOA?
18:20:50 <xmrscott[m]> Side note, I own monerocommunity.org (and .io and .com) if that would preferrable over the choosen URL for workgroups
18:20:53 <msvb-mob> Thanks sgp_, good meeting.
18:21:06 <kinghat[m]> sort of what like bisq is trying to accomplish, but not as complicated, selsta.
18:21:52 <nioc> is it DAO or DOA  :)
18:22:13 <selsta> I’m curious how various big sites can accept Bitcoin donations without KYC when there is the possibility that they receive money from both US and sanctioned countries.
18:22:26 <selsta> But I don’t really want to start this topic again :D
18:22:39 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, again, leave it to lawyers
18:22:58 <xmrscott[m]> Nothing us legal plebs can really do of note
18:24:23 <needmonero90> I'm pretty sure it only applies to sending money in
18:24:33 <needmonero90> im not finding anything on receiving money from a sanctioned entity
18:24:34 <needmonero90> only giving
18:24:57 <needmonero90> s/pretty sure/not a lawyer/
18:24:57 <monerobux> needmonero90 meant to say: I'm not a lawyer it only applies to sending money in
18:25:46 <kinghat[m]> for serial though, a decentralized funding system would solve it. any can send money in. it pays out based on x criteria and "it" cant be censored or held liable.
18:26:35 <needmonero90> what criteria
18:27:00 <ErCiccione[m]> kinghat: that's hard to integrate something like that with the structure of our community
18:27:06 <ErCiccione[m]> i think best would be to decentralize the funding as much as possible
18:27:19 <kinghat[m]> whatever criteria the builders of the network decide 🤷‍♂️
18:27:22 <ErCiccione[m]> meaning having many different "CCS" system managed by different people/structures
18:27:33 <kinghat[m]> just like you guys have set up criteria for CCS.
18:27:45 <ErCiccione[m]> But would be cool to have something like that. THat was i found more interesting in Bisq some time ago
18:28:09 <ErCiccione[m]> before realizing it has more problems than solutions
18:28:39 <kinghat[m]> also there wouldnt be wishy washy bending of rules and meetings about things. it either meets the criteria or it doesnt.
18:31:39 <selsta> What if someone completes translations but the quality is bad. How would a decentralized system say if it is ok or isn’t? Do people vote? Is this part centralized?
18:32:53 <ErCiccione[m]> selsta: the trick would be to askthe reward after the task is completed, so people can check the quality
18:32:58 <kinghat[m]> that would be up to the users to fund someone who hasnt shown any translations up to that point.
18:33:26 <ErCiccione[m]> and after decide if they think worth being rewarded or not
18:33:27 <selsta> ErCiccione[m]: who are these people in a decentralized system?
18:34:05 <kinghat[m]> contributer could translate for a release first and say this is the quality of my work. or here is my prior work on other projects. or complete it first and then ask for funds.
18:34:34 <selsta> kinghat[m]: I don’t understand. If someone gets funded, do they get the money without someone checking if the work is good?
18:34:53 <ErCiccione[m]> selsta: that's what i meant with "hard to integrate something like that with the structure of our community", because you would need some kind of stake
18:35:11 <selsta> right, I’m also not convinced
18:35:45 <kinghat[m]> for that specific case, wouldnt a merge into the tree be considered complete?
18:36:25 <selsta> This might work in some cases.
18:36:25 <ErCiccione[m]> What are we talking about? Bisq's model?
18:37:34 <kinghat[m]> it could all be voted on too. you could tie voting accounts and repuation to outside sources like reddit for example.