at the same time, a big complaint about monero is how tx are bigger than bitcoin, so maybe the vision of constant progress is more useful than as-yet unquantified benefits from marginally bigger ring sizes

koe. I like your proposal of using min(MS , (MS + ML)/2) for the normal and high fees. I would keep min(MS, ML) for the low fee and go back to MS for the highest fee

As for increasing to ring 13 after CLSAG in favor. I would possibly consider a further increase to ring 17 after six months

Increasing the ring size small amounts to say 13 or even 17 is more than marginal because it compounds with churning

11^3 = 1331 13^3 = 2197 17^3 = 4913

rottensox_, what did you mean about lochamesh? you said no one uses it - that seems to be logical, because it hasn't been built

thats how i understand the current state of things

gingeropolous: nobody uses this - locha.io

how i know? i'm venezuelan. vast majority of family lives there and lots of friends do too.

what makes you think the xmr version of locha will be used? because it's fungible? :-)

well yeah it says pre-order

:)

fund locha. it's very promising. :)

so no one can use it because it doesn't exist.

ok.

or it does exist.....?

from what I understand they are developing firmware and software that can be plopped onto any silicon, so anyone could build it

rottensox, did they push out a product at some point?

have others tried building their own locha mesh stuff and attempting to connect / build a network?

i mean, from the guys post here: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…posals/merge_requests/115#note_8318, paragraph of "Regarding other mesh projects", it seems spot on.

gingeropolous: let's say i just have strong feels about the entire project and my bias blurred my vision.

ok

regardless, i would really like to see some buy in from other cryptocurrency communities

unless we really want the marketing opportunity to be solely ours

that comment regarding it being an opportunity for pr or marketing for monero is...

i better keep my mouth shut.

"Monero, bringing you real decentralized, censorship resistant money and a real decentralized, censorship resistant Internet. Your welcome."

i mean, that does have a nice ring to it.

.shrug

wish you could better clarify than a shrug, but....

.shrug

lol.

just fund locha. it's a great initiative and has a sweet ring to it.

ignore my sour ass. :)

rottensox: the point is to make sure that Monero is fairly represented as the community that supported the project. Not all marketing is evil

I'm not saying an extreme that the project even needs to be Monero-focused

I don't think it's a fair depiction to say that since there are some marketing considerations that it's all about the marketing

is multisig known to be available for any implementation other than the cli (which can be done manually, or via the MMS)?

youtube.com/watch?v=pXksLYW4380 the first time i hear snowden mentioning monero and it's to say we're doing a terrible work with our community management. :-D

what is the status of i2p-zero and GUI integration?

koe: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/elj2t5…_privacy_is_kovri_necessary/fdigdkw

sounds like in progress, does that imply gradual integration over the next couple of releases?

.shrug we can ping knaccc to try and see if they have further thoughts.

there's #i2p-zero too.

ah right I was wondering if MMS would be integrated with i2P