01:08:37 <koe> at the same time, a big complaint about monero is how tx are bigger than bitcoin, so maybe the vision of constant progress is more useful than as-yet unquantified benefits from marginally bigger ring sizes
01:56:25 <ArticMine> koe. I like your proposal of using min(MS , (MS + ML)/2) for the normal and high fees. I would keep min(MS, ML) for the low fee and go back to MS for the highest fee
02:00:13 <ArticMine> As for increasing to ring 13 after CLSAG in favor. I would possibly consider a further increase to ring 17 after six months
02:03:19 <ArticMine> Increasing the ring size  small amounts to say 13 or even 17 is more than marginal because it compounds with churning
02:06:27 <ArticMine> 11^3 = 1331 13^3 = 2197 17^3 = 4913
02:44:31 <gingeropolous> rottensox_, what did you mean about lochamesh? you said no one uses it - that seems to be logical, because it hasn't been built
02:44:53 <gingeropolous> thats how i understand the current state of things
03:05:17 <rottensox> gingeropolous: nobody uses this - https://locha.io/
03:05:56 <rottensox> how i know? i'm venezuelan. vast majority of family lives there and lots of friends do too.
03:06:23 <rottensox> what makes you think the xmr version of locha will be used? because it's fungible? :-)
03:07:06 <gingeropolous> well yeah it says pre-order
03:07:21 <rottensox> :)
03:07:38 <rottensox> fund locha. it's very promising. :)
03:07:44 <gingeropolous> so no one can use it because it doesn't exist.
03:07:51 <rottensox> ok.
03:08:14 <gingeropolous> or it does exist.....?
03:09:26 <gingeropolous> from what I understand they are developing firmware and software that can be plopped onto any silicon, so anyone could build it
03:12:27 <gingeropolous> rottensox, did they push out a product at some point?
03:12:46 <gingeropolous> have others tried building their own locha mesh stuff and attempting to connect / build a network?
03:13:15 <gingeropolous> i mean, from the guys post here: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge_requests/115#note_8318, paragraph of "Regarding other mesh projects", it seems spot on.
03:13:17 <rottensox> gingeropolous: let's say i just have strong feels about the entire project and my bias blurred my vision.
03:13:55 <gingeropolous> ok
03:14:41 <gingeropolous> regardless, i would really like to see some buy in from other cryptocurrency communities
03:15:59 <gingeropolous> unless we really want the marketing opportunity to be solely ours
03:16:31 <rottensox> that comment regarding it being an opportunity for pr or marketing for monero is...
03:16:43 <rottensox> i better keep my mouth shut.
03:17:35 <gingeropolous> "Monero, bringing you real decentralized, censorship resistant money and a real decentralized, censorship resistant Internet. Your welcome."
03:17:42 <gingeropolous> i mean, that does have a nice ring to it.
03:18:07 <rottensox> .shrug
03:18:07 <monerobux> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
03:19:00 <gingeropolous> wish you could better clarify than a shrug, but....
03:19:01 <gingeropolous> .shrug
03:19:01 <monerobux> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
03:19:12 <rottensox> lol.
03:19:47 <rottensox> just fund locha. it's a great initiative and has a sweet ring to it.
03:19:56 <rottensox> ignore my sour ass. :)
03:31:14 <sgp_> rottensox: the point is to make sure that Monero is fairly represented as the community that supported the project. Not all marketing is evil
03:31:39 <sgp_> I'm not saying an extreme that the project even needs to be Monero-focused
03:33:04 <sgp_> I don't think it's a fair depiction to say that since there are some marketing considerations that it's all about the marketing
23:21:30 <koe> is multisig known to be available for any implementation other than the cli (which can be done manually, or via the MMS)?
23:33:04 <rottensox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXksLYW4380 the first time i hear snowden mentioning monero and it's to say we're doing a terrible work with our community management. :-D
23:33:04 <monerobux> [ Edward Snowden at Web3 Summit 2019 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
23:37:04 <koe> what is the status of i2p-zero and GUI integration?
23:38:31 <rottensox> koe: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/elj2t5/ip_privacy_is_kovri_necessary/fdigdkw/
23:38:32 <monerobux> [REDDIT] IP privacy: is Kovri necessary? (self.Monero) | 22 points (85.0%) | 14 comments | Posted by YBet_eu | Created at 2020-01-07 - 22:37:59
23:39:51 <koe> sounds like in progress, does that imply gradual integration over the next couple of releases?
23:40:15 <rottensox> .shrug we can ping knaccc to try and see if they have further thoughts.
23:40:15 <monerobux> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
23:40:22 <rottensox> there's #i2p-zero too.
23:42:34 <koe> ah right I was wondering if MMS would be integrated with i2P