Hi

Some people say it is not worth it to mine with one desktop or laptop anymore, is it true?

I mean if you join a pool?

It depends. You'll get about the same amount of monero on average, but either tiny bits every so often with pool, or whole block at once if you mine solo.

Due to the law of small numbers (or whatever it's called), the average *really* means average. It'll have huge variance.

law of large numbers iirc

But desktops or laptops are not obviously out, it all depends on the actual machine.

If you mine solo, you'll probably want to use xmrig (a pool miner) anyway, it's faster than monerod, but connected to monerod rather than an actual pool.

Now, the average time between blocks for a desktop or laptop is probably measured in years. So it's a lottery.

You might get a block in your first few months, or none in ten years.

But in the long run, you should get about the same, at a first approximation, from pool or solo.

Thanks for this amazingly detailed answer

Now, i just got an idea. How about creating a mining pool exclusively for people from my country with no fees?

Is it theoretically possible?

And technically speaking, how difficult would it be to set up?

Yes, you could do that. IIRC it's a bit annoying to set up, but not overly hard. Though my experience is like five years old or so.

Actually, there's also new pool software I've not tried. So could be even easier.

Sweet. Sounds like it could be fun project

But what kind of hosting plan you would need for such pool? Would a cheap vps do?

Ammar__, it depends on how popular your pool gets

i ran a pool on a 3$ /month VPS

a pool should run its own monerod, so you'll need at least 50GB disk if you want some longevity for it

at least 200GB if you want to run without pruning

the storage space will push up the VPS price

I see.

Vps with 3? I thought 5 is the cheapest by digitalocean?

What are the resources of this vps?

it was a while ago i found it on lowendbox.com

but if your pool gets popular, you can end up getting throttled by the VPS provider.

and if your goal is to cater to a specific country, you'll probably want to find something in the country, so your miners can get good pings from you

and you'll have to ensure a relatively fast route to other daemons / pools. these are more secondary issues though.

Is this where I mention what appears to be a bug?

yes

or here github.com/monero-project/monero/issues

importing outputs from hot wallet to cold wallet results in "0 outputs imported" . steps to recreate: create cold wallet with linux 64 cli, use save_watching_only. open watching only with macOS 64 cli and receive .01xmr refresh confirms "import_key_images" needed. export_outputs all OUTPUTS. return to linux 64 cli and import_outputs OUTPUTS

despite there clearly being an output in need of key images, I am unable to properly import the output to the cold wallet.

using 17.1.8 of course

I did a search on r/monerosupport and found one other person a month ago with a similar issue. he was using windows 10 for the hot and win 7 32 for the cold. using win 10 for both solved his issue.

My cold wallet is a piece of paper with my seed on it :P

so i can't help :/

too much information

AR23GG1: try reporting on Github if no one knows here

TLDR: cross platform import_outputs seems broken (hot:macOS, cold:ubuntu)

I'd need to create a github account :(

so i think my node is connecting to a malicious node. based on it's syncing, it looks malicious. any way to force the daemon to connect to a new one? it seems it's connecting to the same one each time.

--add-priority-node node.xmr.to:18080

looks like there's already an open issue where someone mentions they can't sign a transaction on linux that was created on macOS. sounds related

use the blocklist too if you aren't already

yeah i'm using the ban-list and enable-dns-blocklist

r3dh3ad[m]: can you explain your issue a bit more detailed?

how do you know that the node is malicious?

selsta: TBH i don't know if it's malicious. i did see at one point that i was ahead by a block according to localmonero.co/blocks.

hmm sounds fine

i turned it off for about an hour and just turn it back on. tried to sync. found it was 19 blocks behind. restarted itself while attempting to do so. is this the memory consumption issue that's been talked about

?

Need to see full logs.

does status show the correct height now?

currently, i'm a block ahead of monero blocks

that is normal

then i will stop talking because now everything is normal :)

yea everything looks good :)

Ok let me understand one thing. Whether a coin is asic resistant or not any miner, in theory still got a chance to find block before the big fish?

If he mine solo of course

It is just the odds are tiny.

Yep

You could start cpu mining Bitcoin and find a block after 10 seconds

The odds of that are basically infinitesimal, but they exist. The reason nobody does it is that the average expected return of this action is extremely negative (you're gonna burn way more electricity than the block reward you'll get, on average)

endor00: so it's like lottery with electricity and hardware consumption at stakes instead of actual money

electricity and hardware is more real than "actual money"

Yes, but it's also more than that. By "playing the lottery", you are also providing a service to the network by confirming people's transactions

Sweet. Helping the good cause. Decentralization of money. Sticking it to the banking systems.

:D

Ok if I want to use this totally weak phone on monero or bitcoin itself to mine solo, is it possible, or do I need to download the blockchain to mine without third party?

a solo miner needs to be able to talk to a monerod somewhere

it doesn't need to be on the phone, but it could be

for a phone, probably better to talk to a remote monerod

Ok is there opeb source app to do so at the moment, because they are talking about installing linux on your phone to do it?

I assume xmrig can be compiled for android

haven't done it myself in a long time

sech1 may know for sure

Thank you.

nice

sech1, thanks.

About cpu life consumption, I've heard as long as the temperature is stable, there's nothing to worry about. What's the final verdict on mining eating away at your hardware?

yeah, keep temperature below the limit and you're fine

Be ready to say bye bye to your battery though, if you are mining on a phone

only mine if plugged in

I was thinking more in terms of degradation from heat

yes. on a phone I would generally avoid using more than half your CPU cores

phones aren't great for dissipating heat

Just put them to fridge then

humidity, condensation... even worse

With a bunch of modern phones you certainly could contribute to a pool. feels like s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/new…nt-impresses-some-more-145360-7.jpg

yep

and you could take your mining farm with you wherever you go twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1183459387056238592

maybe even power it from your own pedaling

Easiest practice for an asian grand. Would even fight a couple of attackers meanwhile.

hyc thanks for all the information

Sech1, can I use the original termux to compile xmrig without the need for the unbunto version?

Im talking about this tutorial

Normal termux works

Ok. The editor said it's optional to be fair

But what's the advantage of making it unbuntu?

Just curious

.network

Hi. I need some LBC. Any idea on where to convert some XMR to LBC instant!?

small amount.

I assume you mean BTC ? Try xmr.to.

If it's some alt, try morphtoken.

No not BTC - LBC is the coin for lbry.tv

morphtoken - ahh thx

I'm excited. Running xmrig on mediatek processor lol see how much hash rate I'll get

Ain't that beautiful

17 hash per second lol I'm still proud of my phone

I submitted a benchmark on a mediatek chip a while back

you should send your result too

I will.

Thanks

what if governments at some stage outlaw crypto?

:)

hi questi

It is outlawed in my country

Mining also

crypto rich but unable to buy house, etc with it

Ammar__: which country is it?

Algeria

Is there a tutorial on how to upload my stats?

yes a lot of evil schemes are tried in a 3rd world countries first

in 3rd

it is just a hypothetical question yet if crypto is illegal that means one can not buy any assets with it ...

:)

then what is crypto for?

People will protect it

You're buying from people not government

read again

If the brave one still believes in it they will sell you a housr

they cant

Why

and also not you, we

:)

proceeds of crime acts etc

if anything is bough with illegally it can be legally forfeited :)

People commit illegal activities on daily bases if they think they can get away with it

if they can yes

A work around

Sell you for 10btc +100k usd

if there is a law worldwide that crypto has to be declared fully and then subjected to likes of capital ta gains and more and more

The usd to keep it legie

one would have to show from where fiat came from :)

Legitimate*

from salary, business profits, or what :)

The gov won't know the deal was made with btc under the table in the first place

yes

however will ask from where money to buy house came from :)

can't explain = house is taken :)

in UK it is already a law and in EU and

:)

maybe in USA

The 100usd decoy part of the deal can be explained

how :)

The trutb

loool

<Elysian> hey

<Elysian> I should probably die

as far as cash exist it will be still possible to move crypto into official system

to a degree

and even that degree is small

Are you making a case for xmr since it is more private than btc or are you making a case against crypto in general

not pro or against

information

In that case, government can also ban regular money tomorrow and render it useless

If we are talking 'ifs'

Ammar__: in China social rating system is already in place

and China is soon world leading economy

I do know.

I watched the mocking episode about it in black mirror lol

Was amazing episode

:)

imo both crypto and gold prices will be crushed at some stage to new lows

:)

:)

first sucker people in with a fake sense of security and then :P

:)

It's possible. Then again, thinking about what's possible can drive you crazy. Sticking to what's probable can keep you sane.

nope

empire after empire were allowed to rise and fall and now will it not be a global fall?

what is improbable here :)

:)

digital yuan already exist

The fall is probable, has always been. But the fall doesn't threaten crypto only. It will crash everything. So acting on that probability is irrational since nothing can be deemed reliable

and at some stage hey we have now gov crypto, as to rest it is difficult to regulate despite our best efforts, so it is to be declared illegal

fall may 'most' 'stores' of 'value' including crypto

so energy spent on obtaining, trading and accumulating it xD

Sorry androic crashed because of the mining experiment lol

Was really enjoying the conversation

lol

some dude have forwarded me a document recently from a world bank where it is stated covid measures were to last till 2025

middle class in USA 'can not' be wiped in one year yes, in five years ?

He ment 2125 i supp.

haha

and redirect energy yet via another ye ye vote for us we will defeat elite and other similar pseudo rebel channels xD

How they even should partially pay back these myriades od debts?

pay to whom? to themselves? :)

they both issue the debt and to a degree direct it

interest on debt is simply to cover up a control

to a degree justify 'policies'

once simple basic jobs are automated maybe control become more open xD

and yes usd fall against euro kinda simulates people to hedge

The only way to solo mine is to set a node?

Ammar__, there is one pool that I know of that has a solo option... so you don't have to have your own node.

Good. I'm just experimenting please tell me which is it

xmrpool.net but it seems their front end is down...

Oh

pretty sure it will be fixed shortly.. I pinged the admin about it just now

Can you add a worker called ammar and just give me server of your pool

So you can tell me what hash rate are you getting?

On the workers panel

I don't have a pool

Ok

:)

and mining isn't done like that.. there's no sign up.. it's only in your config

would mined coin command premium?

virgin coins

questi, all XMR is virgin

Fungible

perhaps so :)

I wonder why it was dumped in March hmm

lockdowns first panic?

anyone running a tiny pool here?

Mining with xmr support but it keeps telling me no data for this wallet

On the homepage

I think it is detecting it now

Now i want to try solo lol

My phone may explode

Mining solo with your phone?

How much do you think monero will take off by the end of this year

thematrix5000[m], #monero-markets

to the moon of course

not enough memory for RandomX dataset

Is he talking about storage space or ram?

dataset is RAM

2GB

Ok

I got only 311mb free so it switched to slow mode :'(

I'm mining solo on s3. Solopool

Is it a legitimate server?

M

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What xmrig param for full usage of cpu just priority 5 and max thread count?

CPU?

haha

mad

today is a bad day

tomorrow probably even worse

I am not a conspiracy theorist yet can 5g make people tired? xD

Ammar__: #monero-pools

Ammar__ not tiny but very friendly people at pool.xmr.pt

Thanks netrik182

#monero-pt is their channel

Thanks

I tried no yield and 4 threads

Max was 22 h/s

I did submit too

selsta possibly bad IP 116.203.80.46 (stuck at "synchronizing" for hours, block 2263960)

monerouser1144: thanks, added, seems to match others

Regarding protecting monerod from various "generic" resource exhaustion attacks, judging from netstat / ss outputs it seems that allowing a few concurrent tcp connections per remote IP would be enough, right? (using tools like hashlimit blog.serverbuddies.com/using-hashlimit-in-iptables )

so if this delisting goes on, is there a plan b?

what about dex?

zed19[m]: there is Bisq. also work in progress on XMR-BTC atomic swaps

<ndorf "zed19: there is Bisq. also work "> ty for the info

zed19[m]: np. FWIW Kraken and Poloniex have both indicated they have no plans to delist Monero

doesn't most of this talk belong on #monero-markets?

Atmic swaps can't get here fast enough. Based on the comments I read at r/Monero it seems that it would also work for XMR/BCH which already has Schnorr sigs ...

yep

we need atomic swaps yesterday

how easy will they be to use?

And it would be most interesting to see if some Satoshi-era BTC get converted to XMR

h2017: i imagine it'll get easier to use over time

but we need something in place asap

i've always liked monero , I have had a little bit for a few years

selsta another possibly bad IP 135.181.96.30 (again stuck at "synchronizing" for hours, block 2263960)

raecarruth, i think we'ere probably ok for a few years at least, from the point of view of exchanges and regulation

but the delisting is telling me I should convert my BTC profits to XMR

and get more XMR

:D

h2017: i'd rather not gamble on governments not being trash

and just have the tech in place now

raecarruth, i know what you are saying, but governments tend to use gradualism

that's why i think the market has time even though i think we should be talking about this on monero-markets

i'd say still biggest challenge is to have "normal" people prefer xmr (or similar) over classic payment methods

abra just sent out an email saying they're dropping support for XMR, ZEC, and DASH because their custody partner is dropping support due to regulatory uncertainty

I guess that means Abra uses Bittrex for custody

monerouser1144: yep, matches another IP I have

added

oh, thought i was in the -markets channel

its funny they drop support for DASH

yes, dash has been frustrating since their launch. hilarious to see how it has played out

it doesn't really protect your privacy like xmr or zcash (can) do

i wonder who is lobbying for these delistings

i don't fully understand who're all the players in this "game"

Bittrex is US based?

it feels a bit like DMCA takedowns on YT

My guess is that they got in trouble and they're trying to settle and aren't allowed to talk about the case

they had no KYC for years

the NYDFS laughed at them and pointed out all the problems with the AML program when they applied for a bitlicense

Top 3 privacy coins are 1. Xmr 2.zcasg 3.dash. What do you guys think

is that a joke?

No these will go up the most

Crazy action in crypto markets today, from Ethereum ($935) to ... DogeCoin. I wonder if it's a "blow off top".

ill have my eyes on XZC (Firo)

i don't see this abra exchange even listed on cmc

Dash is not private thematrix5000

Xmr is all that's worth it though if you want to use them for physical transactions its the only truly anonymous coin and the only one people should actually even use

it's not an exchange it's an app

Have you seen their latest tweets?

does smone here has eyes on ARR ?

<edi_ "does smone here has eyes on ARR "> yes

No I just saww how it went up

So just xmr and zcash forget the rest

zed19[m]: any feelings about it?

guys move the talk over to #monero-markets. most of this talk is motivated by interest in the price so it belongs there

<edi_ "zed19: any feelings about it?"> it gets a lot of praise, some even say it will overtake xmr

we need more of those real cryptocurrencies

which do you consider real cryptocurrencies zed19[m]?

fuck those controlfreaks

one big brother is enough for me

privacy coins - digital cash

but which ones beside xmr?

anything which goes against the status quo and the bankers

ok

xmr, zcash, firo, arrr

see, i don't know anything about the last two

educate me

if you will

raecarruth: pirate.black (arr) and firo.org (firo)

thanks

ok, i've heard of pirate chain

just not recently

firo is new to me entirely

they renamed it - used to be Zcoin

ok, kek

i know zcoin

What's the minimum resources needed to run monero node

Ammar__: 4GB RAM + 120GB SSD seems to be sufficient for me

Man, you broke my heart. Haha. Im trying to run it on a phone with less than a gb free space and 300 free ram lol

lol yeah that ain't gonna work

you can prune the blockchain to i think 30GB in size

you can definitely use a monero wallet on that phone, just not a full node

it might well work with a lot less than 4GB RAM, i have just never tried it personally

Ammar__: lol. Just go for monejuro.

Thought you did some freaking experiment but not actually using this

even if you had a phone capable of running it, i'm not so sure it'd be a great idea

it would chew through your battery, use a ton of data, and i don't think mobile providers allow incoming connections in any case?

Would stuck with privnode without vpn anyways

that being said i do run a node on a rockpro64 SoC, with a 256G sd card, and it works well

er SBC not SoC, but you get the idea

Well the only reason I want to run my own node is that I want to solo mine

If only there is a trusted pool with that option

Do you guys think mastering monero and zero to monero v2 are good to read

Wait, I'm using cake wallet can I some how make use of that solo mining?

Nah, can't be.

<Ammar__ "If only there is a trusted pool "> You can solo mine on cryptonote.social, I’ve done it for a while but now do their cool take on pooled mining.

I highly recommend that pool and have used it for a very long time.

Thanks

Ammar__: your mining wouldnt be satisfying even with 3k usd mining rig... not even with free power

Mining is a great way to replenish TX fees if nothing else

Especially if you’re just mining on existing hardware.

<thematrix5000[m] "Do you guys think mastering mone"> Hell yeah

Im banking on luck

I will find the block before the big fish :)

I c, a warlock!

B)

Everything or nothing kind of strategy

banking on luck is always a good idea

I listened to breaking monero with sarang and some monero talk episodes before

It's not a bad idea if the loss stakes are low

Im supporting the currency while waiting for my lucky break

🤘🏻🤘🏼🤘🏽🤘🏾🤘🏿

.doge

can i download the blockchain to an external drive?

Yes, --data-dir /wherever/you/like

just wanted to try out the cli wallet, ty