I made a simple educational site on the emission mechanism of Monero. monero.supply Any criticism is welcome. I am gonna change the design once I am done with the content.

xrv099: monero.stackexchange.com/a/1517/7493

your block reward chart doesn't show that bitcoin ends at zero whilst XMR continues at 0.6

otherwise, nice!

thanks, I will probably change that. The thing is If I showed the block reward for bitcoin until it ends at zero the chart would be 5 times longer.

could you not just add a few more years on the x-axis?

wazzup?

biicoonneeeeeee

lol ok

Been meaning to drop in to say the new Wallet 2.0 bot launched last month. Supports multiple coins including monero and multiple platforms concurrently.

supports: freenode (irc), discord, telegram, matrix, slack, hmail (irc), rizon (irc), oftc (irc) & twitch so far. Optional platform bridging & cross bridge sharing.

anyway had mentioned it in past after tippero dev/support was stopped

is there a way to get node mining stats to show up in logs?

did you say log level aum

set

i don't know what's included at what level off hand

ok I'll rev up loglevel and see what happens

been awhile since i looked at it but i know i had to monkey with it too debug rpc issues

what are the valid values for log-level?

i set up a private remote node (private for rpc). What is the easiest way to query its status over the internet?

the node is public for p2p btw

i mean is there a way to query it's status running something like monero-wallet-cli and not setting up a wallet?

all i know to do is to log into the server running the node and then do "monerod status", but i wanted to know if there is a way i can do rpc commands, but outside of setting up a wallet

through the rpc port

Just hit it with curl/requests/ etc

ok got it

yeah it works for me

get_info seems to be the equivalent of "monerod status"

except there is a lot more data here

Yeah it’s much more fully-fledged JSON data.

For rpc, my node is open to every ip for address in my home lan. the home lan includes at least one windows user that knows nothing about security and could have a hacked windows pc at any time. is the node safe enough or should it be password protected?

i know that what i did isn't good enough

i'll think about it tommorrow

pw protecting is the simplest way to do it withoout demanding a bind from a specific ip address in the LAN

Restricted RPC is fine to expose unless you have some extreme threat model

If you expose unrestricted anyone could enable mining on your hw to their own address among other things.

You could just expose restricted on LAN and unrestricted to local host.

yes i'll do that then

my monerod keeps dying any idea why:

mnt_grrrl: try starting monerod with this --ban-list: gui.xmr.pm/files/block_tor.txt

thank you!

so download block_tor.txt and then start with --ban-list /path/to/block_tor.txt

anybody using a bouncer?

with log-level, are higher values more verbose?

aum: yes

what is the default? zero or 1? and what is the max?

default is zero

there's no maximum, but I doubt you'll tolerate more than 2.

the log level is actually more complex than a single integer. and monerod tells you what the current settings are every time it starts up.

Hi, i applied block_tor.txt but iam always getting: "Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 2260305 -> 2261165"

2261165 is the current top of chain

sounds like you're just behind

yes and i cant sync

i removed 100 blocks to resync and at 2260305 it starts again logging new top block log

exit monerod, delete p2pstate.bin, start up again

monerod keeps banning IPs and always same

ok will try

hyc: thanks

i removed some blocks and deleted p2pstate and i get this around same block 2260305: pastebin.com/raw/nmQTF4By

bug, or a corrupted DB

unlikely to be a DB bug

and my latest log: pastebin.com/raw/WSR5TM7W

so do you think its corrupted db?

seems so

you might try starting again with log-level 2, it will spew a ton of stuff

just run it until you see that MDB_TXN error again and then quit

but i am popping out 100 blocks. and keeps sync till the same vlue

*value

did you force shutdown your computer during sync or did you store the blockchain on an external hard drive? these are the usual reasons for corrupted db

(plugging out the hard drive during sync)

last night everything crashed and couldnt ssh to node so had to power cycle

so db corrupt? and need to starts from scratch, right?

yep :/

i tought its because of attacks :D

thanks for the time

Hi - I am still learning a lot of this, so please excuse my ignorance. I am curious to learn more about seeding.Is there an introductory resource discussing the pros and cons someone could point me to, or could someone give me the highlights? I really want to support the network, but I am relatively new to some of these concepts.

what pros and cons?

mainly curious about privacy and personal security and load/burden on my pc

I suppose your ISP will know you're running a monero node

you could try using tor/i2p to hide that if you're really paranoid about privacy

i'm okay with that - what about users of my node?

what about them?

would any personal info be revealed? Like IP or anything that could maybe be sensitive?

your node's IP address gets published to the network, yes

again, you could use tor or i2p to hide that

is that worth being concerned about? Sorry - again pretty new to this stuff but really want to help out

concern is up to you

what about burden to pc? Is it memory or cpu intensive to seed?

inital sync is intensive

ongoing routine operation, no

will eat your network bandwidth tho

I run a node on a VPS with monthly bandwidth cap, I have to throttle monero traffic to avoid hitting the limit

i used the bootstrap method to get setup - is that the sync part you're referring to? I am currently fully synced. I just don't have ports open (if i understand it correctly)

but that node also does web and other stuff for me

yeah

Ok that is helpful. Thank you for your time

does monerod rotate its logs?

pretty sure it does, yes

here's a random cli-wallet question

when I request public_nodes, I get a nice list of what seems like the nodes that are on the network (I assume all that are running with --public-node option)

There's the host IP and port, and then a couple more fields.. credits/hash and last_seen. Can someone explain what those are?

Are they related to RPC access and I assume the last time that MY node has see this other node through some P2P connection?

Thansk

what does this log mean?

W Unable to send transaction(s) to tor - no suitable outbound connections at height 2261380

Howard Chu is a high IQ scholar, he has more Google images with a violin than Sting with a guita, he singlehandely saved NASA from doom.

Why can't the saviour of NASA save Monero?

why should elon do this?

do what?

Saving monero.

anyone knows why I get a "unable to send transaction(s) over tor - no suitable outbound connections at height" error on my Monero node every few minutes?

Seems like I am the only one that is getting this issue

Hi all, a quick question In view of the recent attacks on the Monero P2P network: does running an outbound-only node (ie --in-peers 0 -no-igd) since it runs behind a VPN help the Monero network? I assume yes, because my node is always connected to 12 peers 24/7 andf it transfers 1-3GB/day.

yonatanbl: do you have tor running?

Yes, but incoming connections help more than outgoing ones.

(since you're less likely to connect by chance to newly syncing peers as their addresses make their way through P2P peer lists)

love when people ask questions and stick around all of 5 minutes for an answer lol

monerouser1144: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/kkr04n…running_a_node_which_ports_should_i

Well, OK but afaik there is no way to do port-forwarding on the public VPN (e.g. NordVPN) exit nodes. So I would have to stop using a VPN and instead use my public IP (of Hetzner VPS -- btw I saw the r/Monero post about the stats of nodes per 1M country and I think it's due to people using VPS) i.redd.it/azbl7km0cm761.png

I assume that Hetzner / OVH / DO etc won't crack down on clients running Monero nodes, but I decided to play it safe (I know they don't like it when their clients run xmr-miners on VPSes).

Just go for it. Youre a paying customer.

Since this is a CT on a Hetzner dedicated server used in production, I'd rather not risk it. Perhaps on a "throwaway" VPS. Btw I think the best way to achieve more nodes quickly would be to create an auto-install script, so that people with minimal Linux sysadmin skills can create a Debian10 VPS at Hetzner / OVH / DO / Vultr etc and then just ssh

into it and run something like "wget xyz ; bash xyz"

I don't think that many people can use the systemd configs and bash scripts posted at r/Monero.

monerouser1144: neither Hetz nor OVH mind monerod on dedis or VPS

on dedis you can do whatever the hell you want and on VPS they only care about massive CPU, so a synced node is not an issue. been running my public node on a hetz VPS for several years and only recently moved it to a dedi

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oops

My Hetzner dedi has been running a node and mining at the same time for more than a year

Yes I know that, I just didn't want to risk it in case of a change in policy. So I run a CT node (both monerod and bitcoind) but I tunnel all its traffic over a VPN.

Btw I was rather surprised with the relatively fewer nodes per 1M in USA (i.redd.it/azbl7km0cm761.png), maybe the Americans don't want to risk getting in trouble with the IRS?

What?

many people run nodes on a vps and they do so where the price is right

I bought a cheap comp a while ago to run a node and has saved me money over the long run compared to a vps

IMHO If you want to greatly increase the number of public nodes (reading today's posts in r/Monero) you have to make it easier for people who are not in IT or web dev. You have to create a list of suitable VPS offerings and a script to auto-install monerod on Debian10 (or CentOS). I'm sure there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind spending

$100/yr to support the network, but they wouldn't risk running it on their own Win10 home PC nor do they know enough to setup a RasPi or another ARM-based SBC at home,

public vs personal yes

what you need for a public node is bandwidth which you don't get for $100/yr

i think most ppl have issues with the bandwidth. at least in the us.

That's why someone knowledgeable has to do some market research among the various VPS providers, for offerings suitable for a node.

I just checked the VPS offerings of a few US based providers (Vultr and DreamHost), and they seem to have suitable offerings for $10-$20/mo (some offerings have a 3-5TB/mo bandwidth cap, which however seems adequate for a small node).

monerouser1144, thats a great idea. i do become concerned though about fostering a node growth that doesn't create a base knowledge.. i mean, perhaps it will, in some, and enough.

but for instance, monero requires regular updates, and having zombie nodes around on the network doesn't do a lot of help

though i wonder if we could make zombie nodes still contribute to relaying etc

e.g., a node on v0.17.1.7 gets a message from a node on v0.18.0.0, and 18 has a consensus change

wouldn't it be better to just educate the wanna-be node admins?

is there a way to get the 17.1.7 node to still function as relay even if it doesn't have the ability to determine if its consensus

onf, well yes absolutely

i guess as long as the PoW doesn't change you could use a header chain

IMHO creating an apt/deb repo for updating monerod would be the best option. I'm sure 1000s of people may want to contribute, but don't have the time to become Linux sysadmins.

oh man that'd be fascinating. if you could get the nodes to autoupdate if, say, they see a n block header chain they can assume good

there is a repo for deb i think

I don't think there is ... or maybe I missed it.

The problem with autoupdate is security

Download and run "trusted" code from a "trusted" source... like SolarWinds

The problem with autoupdate is trust. Because effectively you'll be delegating the choice of updating to a new algo etc to someone else. But based on what I've observed in the past, this is already the case with the regular Monero hard-forks.

Those HFs require one to manually download (presumably) check hashes, etc. Anything that automates that process opens up MITM possibilities

Linux apt/yum/etc repos can be reasonable secure (especially over https), I mean there are millions of servers already using them.

tru

*true

afaik apt repos use the same underlying technologies (gpg signing of metadata and sha256 checksums) as the current distribution does.

The main drawback would be that the devs might have to support multiple distros (ie both deb and rpm).

<monerouser1144> there is an opt repository maintained by the whonix guy gitlab.com/whonix/monero-gui

works on debian and ubuntu and probably other derivatives

Finally, another option would be to "outsource" this, e.g. someone with Linux sysadmin skills will create an Ansible playbook to stand up monero nodes and non-tech people will contribute funds to run it.

LOL (because to netsec people APT = "Advanced Persistent Threat" ?)

Anyway, apt can be reasonably secure, especially when running over https. IMHO it's the only realistic way to achieve big growth of nodes.

Finally, another option would be to "outsource" this <- Sounds like a good CCS proposal

To give you a concrete example of automating the monerod setup with Ansible, I am thinking of something like the streisand project for Monero github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand

already said this, i want to see a standalone gui installer and control program for monerod completely independent of the wallet

that way windows users could just be told to point and click

and there might be a website with a quick setup guide

and i suppose i should be willing to fund this too

h2017: git.wownero.com/feather/feather-meta/issues/3

I don't think many people will be comfortable running a 24/7 monerod node on their home Win10 PC (and opening its 18080 port to the entire Internet). Whereas a Linux VPS even if hacked, can be re-created easily.

Also, it's safe to assume Windows are backdoored.

the above proposal would also work for OS X and Linux GUI

problem with windows home user point and click goal is firewalls at the router and port forwarding

I agree not necessarily the best for people who want to open up incoming ports, but still an improvement on the current situation imo

unfortunately there's no "point and click" for that

Well, most people run antivirus software, which already flags monero as malware. Plus most people wouldn't know how to secure it. Whereas on Linux you have AppArmor or SELinux.

i guess though you still have outgoing connections

If you’re only exposing p2p I’m not sure why you need to do further securing for most users

so your not completely leaching

That doesn’t really expose any attack surface as you can’t run RPC commands against it obviously.

I mean yes it could open up if there’s a massive vuln in monerod p2p, but that’s it.

tHaT wE KnOw oF

technically there is some exposure and uhh, it's not like we haven't seen network bugs lately, but also home users commonly expose ports for p2p apps like bittorrent

anyway I guess the GUI daemon manager is not entirely connected to the idea of having more nodes but I think it's somewhat connected and is a good idea for other reasons. that's all I got on it

h2017> already said this, i want to see a standalone gui installer and control program for monerod completely independent of the wallet >>> yeah ive always thought something called "monero network service"

would make sense

<gingeropolous> in case u missed it dsc_ made such a proposal for feather here git.wownero.com/feather/feather-meta/issues/3 -- since it is proposed to be separate from feather, it could very well be employed by both feather and the official GUI

We need an RFP process in CCS

Say we want to fund something but don’t have a contributor who has signed up yet

yeah yeah

Show approval somehow then let someone step up to take it

agree

yeah we used to have that

I guess we could kind of use Reddit for that

I might just post an RFP for this

first run of it didn't do so well. i think there was only one. maybe the nvidia miner funding. but that was back when monero was a wee one

reddit is not good for that kind of thing since old posts disappear

well not disappear but get buried

yeah i've been thinking for some time that would be cool to have some bountysource kind of thing, but using Monero

Reddit is the best way to reach 1000s of people interested in Monero. I know it's what I check myself.

What about reaching people that don't use Reddit?

We need to do a Superbowl Ad

mailing list

twitter

selsta please add IP 161.35.39.87 (n+2)

done

Do we have any official Discord server?

v0.17.1.8 will allow reloading the ban list

not a bad idea

Reddit has a millions of people who are already interested in cryptocurrencies and also tech-y stuff (r/ sysadmin, linuxadmin, netsec, selfhosted, privacy etc).

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i think reddit is still citing numbers from 2012 and their site is slowly dying and one of the most boring places the internet has to offer today

aaran swartz would unzip and piss on the face of every single leftist censoring redditor

reddit could be handy for the occasional pump'n'dump spruik-up

I have mostly moved to decentralized/uncensorable social media. But I stay on reddit because network effects

dgoddard: out of curiosity, to which decentralized social media (if you don't mind sharing

*?

memo.cash / member.cash for twitter-like ; Secure Scuttlebutt for FB-like long-form posts

Both are truly serverless / P2P and in that sense uncensorable. Scuttlebutt has the additional feature of Tor integration

ssb is a good platform

but i can't say that i like the censorship

What do you mean, censorship? The whole point (to me at least) is that it's censorship-resistanct

it is

?

Nobody can stop your SSB posts any more than they can stop your BCH txn from broadcasting

it's true P2P, there are no servers

the monero mining hardware list only seems to have CPUs. Is there a list of compatible GPUs, especially PCIe-compatible?

GPUs don't mine monero very well

if you already have them and also have free elec then you can use them

so am I better off putting up a spare i5/i7 box and thrashing it senseless?

and, how much RAM should I allow for xmrig to mine optimally?

think it's like 4 GB per NUMA node

aum: you need 2MB L3 cache per thread

my i5 has 6MB

nioc thanks -- that's very modest

also, is there any advantage to SSD, or is a small magnetic hdd suitable?

ram and cache aren't the same

oh ok

here says 2080 MB per NUMA node xmrig.com/docs/miner/randomx-optimization-guide

yes, I answered a question that was not sked

asked

drive makes no difference for mining

so I guess that effectively make the minimum for a randomx mining pc 4 GB

SSD is important if you want to run a node which you would need to do for solo mining but yeah, not important for pool

speed and timing of ram also makes a difference but use whatever you have

I already got a container running my node (which is also configured for lightweight mining)

I've got a spare bare metal box, and it seems apt to load it up with a tiny HDD and DDR4 RAM wafer, and XMrig over Linux, and crank the throttle

i have a dedicated box for my node. if i set it to mine will i make any profit on top of electricity costs. it's in my mother's house (literally my mother's basement). Will I be able to make it fair so I can pay the electricity costs and otherwise keep profit? I haven't tried mining yet.

i also i have a a condo but i don't have any internet in my condo (donit's complicated)

don't ask. it's complicated :)

there is a mining profitability calculator you can google, you just need to know your $ kw/h and how much watts your rig takes up

i have just built a single cpu mining rig, and from my calculations it wasn't profitable to mine without a ryzen 9 cpu, electricity in my area is expensive though

my Ryzen 3900x profits approx a buck fifty per day rn, and my electricity cost is slightly below 10 cent per kWhr

what is the H/s ?

sounds like my dedicated box won't be up to the task

13,500 on approx 150 watts

h2017 coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculator

h2017, it was about $800 for my single cpu mining rig

I definitely would not recommend buying a mining rig, but mining with your desktop, or server, or media PC on the other hand ... ...

well, not really a rig but a single node

Hey just one question if anyone knows. After I lose connection i get this Unable to send transaction(s), no available connections

you don't need to buy a mining rig, 1 node is profitable, just slowly add nodes

wownero can be good to mine with older CPUs, I mine at MoneroOcean to have it automatically paid out in XMR

older or lower power

em38 what's the question

model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-8121U CPU @ 2.20GHz

it's an intel 4 core. probably not worth bothering to try mining with then

that will be a very low hash rate

Is there any reason it stops trying to reconnect even though internet connectivity becomes available after a while?

it's one of those intel NUC boxes. it fits neatly in the available physical space but it's not exactly a beast when it comes to power

em38 is there a keepalive setting in the config

you could always solo mine i.e. play the lottery :)

never know, might solve a block first day =p

No , I did not see it on monerod docs when I was setting it up, how exactly does it go? :)

what about mining from my desktop. i've got an amd ryzen 7 8-core

ryzens are pretty good

and if I were mining with the ryze, I'd consider mining with the node too. it's more worth it if it's piling onto another miner and increasing frequency of payouts, even slightly

what percentage of block reward payouts does minexmr keep for itself?