01:37:54 <xrv099> I made a simple educational site on the emission mechanism of Monero. https://www.monero.supply/ Any criticism is welcome. I am gonna change the design once I am done with the content.
01:53:18 <jtgrassie> xrv099: https://monero.stackexchange.com/a/1517/7493
01:55:09 <jtgrassie> your block reward chart doesn't show that bitcoin ends at zero whilst XMR continues at 0.6
01:56:06 <jtgrassie> otherwise, nice!
02:01:44 <xrv099> thanks, I will probably change that. The thing is If I showed the block reward for bitcoin until it ends at zero the chart would be 5 times longer.
02:07:23 <jtgrassie> could you not just add a few more years on the x-axis?
02:31:14 <Bill48105> wazzup?
02:31:14 <Quotes> biicoonneeeeeee
02:31:18 <Bill48105> lol ok
02:34:34 <Bill48105> Been meaning to drop in to say the new Wallet 2.0 bot launched last month. Supports multiple coins including monero and multiple platforms concurrently.
02:40:15 <Bill48105> supports: freenode (irc), discord, telegram, matrix, slack, hmail (irc), rizon (irc), oftc (irc) & twitch so far. Optional platform bridging & cross bridge sharing.
02:41:06 <Bill48105> anyway had mentioned it in past after tippero dev/support was stopped
03:27:32 <aum> is there a way to get node mining stats to show up in logs?
03:29:20 <Bill48105> did you say log level aum
03:29:33 <Bill48105> set
03:29:56 <Bill48105> i don't know what's included at what level off hand
03:32:10 <aum> ok I'll rev up loglevel and see what happens
03:33:36 <Bill48105> been awhile since i looked at it but i know i had to monkey with it too debug rpc issues
03:52:37 <aum> what are the valid values for log-level?
04:01:43 <h2017> i set up a private remote node (private for rpc). What is the easiest way to query its status over the internet?
04:02:30 <h2017> the node is public for p2p btw
04:03:15 <h2017> i mean is there a way to query it's status running something like monero-wallet-cli and not setting up a wallet?
04:06:15 <h2017> all i know to do is to log into the server running the node and then do "monerod status", but i wanted to know if there is a way i can do rpc commands, but outside of setting up a wallet
04:06:53 <h2017> through the rpc port
04:07:55 <sethsimmons> Just hit it with curl/requests/ etc
04:08:19 <sethsimmons> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/daemon-rpc.html
04:11:02 <h2017> ok got it
04:18:23 <h2017> yeah it works for me
04:19:52 <h2017> get_info seems to be the equivalent of "monerod status"
04:20:02 <h2017> except there is a lot more data here
04:22:36 <sethsimmons> Yeah it’s much more fully-fledged JSON data.
04:45:21 <h2017> For rpc, my node is open to every ip for address in my home lan. the home lan includes at least one windows user that knows nothing about security and could have a hacked windows pc at any time. is the node safe enough or should it be password protected?
04:50:25 <h2017> i know that what i did isn't good enough
04:51:19 <h2017> i'll think about it tommorrow
04:54:52 <h2017> pw protecting is the simplest way to do it withoout demanding a bind from a specific ip address in the LAN
05:00:26 <sethsimmons> Restricted RPC is fine to expose unless you have some extreme threat model
05:00:49 <sethsimmons> If you expose unrestricted anyone could enable mining on your hw to their own address among other things.
05:01:04 <sethsimmons> You could just expose restricted on LAN and unrestricted to local host.
05:08:32 <h2017> yes i'll do that then
05:25:45 <mnt_grrrl> my monerod keeps dying any idea why:
05:25:46 <mnt_grrrl> https://pastebin.com/6jkBrBqB
05:27:57 <selsta> mnt_grrrl: try starting monerod with this --ban-list: https://gui.xmr.pm/files/block_tor.txt
05:31:38 <mnt_grrrl> thank you!
05:32:36 <selsta> so download block_tor.txt and then start with --ban-list /path/to/block_tor.txt
05:33:09 <mnt_grrrl> anybody using a bouncer?
06:22:46 <aum> with log-level, are higher values more verbose?
06:23:05 <hyc> aum: yes
06:24:04 <aum> what is the default? zero or 1? and what is the max?
06:24:52 <hyc> default is zero
06:25:09 <hyc> there's no maximum, but I doubt you'll tolerate more than 2.
06:25:56 <hyc> the log level is actually more complex than a single integer. and monerod tells you what the current settings are every time it starts up.
06:56:02 <Yanik> Hi, i applied block_tor.txt but iam always getting: "Sync data returned a new top block candidate: 2260305 -> 2261165"
06:57:15 <hyc> 2261165 is the current top of chain
06:57:20 <hyc> sounds like you're just behind
06:57:44 <Yanik> yes and i cant sync
06:58:26 <Yanik> i removed 100 blocks to resync and at 2260305 it starts again logging new top block log
06:59:01 <hyc> exit monerod, delete p2pstate.bin, start up again
06:59:05 <Yanik> monerod keeps banning IPs and always same
06:59:09 <Yanik> ok will try
07:02:49 <aum> hyc: thanks
07:07:14 <Yanik> i removed some blocks and deleted p2pstate and i get this around same block 2260305: https://pastebin.com/raw/nmQTF4By
07:12:04 <hyc> bug, or a corrupted DB
07:12:11 <hyc> unlikely to be a DB bug
07:12:42 <Yanik> and my latest log: https://pastebin.com/raw/WSR5TM7W
07:12:54 <Yanik> so do you think its corrupted db?
07:13:09 <hyc> seems so
07:13:40 <hyc> you might try starting again with log-level 2, it will spew a ton of stuff
07:13:54 <hyc> just run it until you see that MDB_TXN error again and then quit
07:14:00 <Yanik> but i am popping out 100 blocks. and keeps sync till the same vlue
07:14:03 <Yanik> *value
07:16:40 <selsta> did you force shutdown your computer during sync or did you store the blockchain on an external hard drive? these are the usual reasons for corrupted db
07:16:52 <selsta> (plugging out the hard drive during sync)
07:19:48 <Yanik> last night everything crashed and couldnt ssh to node so had to power cycle
07:20:45 <Yanik> so db corrupt? and need to starts from scratch, right?
07:21:58 <selsta> yep :/
07:23:06 <Yanik> i tought its because of attacks :D
07:23:18 <Yanik> thanks for the time
07:30:14 <cryptorchist> Hi - I am still learning a lot of this, so please excuse my ignorance. I am curious to learn more about seeding.Is there an introductory resource discussing the pros and cons someone could point me to, or could someone give me the highlights? I really want to support the network, but I am relatively new to some of these concepts.
07:35:11 <hyc> what pros and cons?
07:36:04 <cryptorchist> mainly curious about privacy and personal security and load/burden on my pc
07:39:17 <hyc> I suppose your ISP will know you're running a monero node
07:39:34 <hyc> you could try using tor/i2p to hide that if you're really paranoid about privacy
07:39:59 <cryptorchist> i'm okay with that - what about users of my node?
07:40:09 <hyc> what about them?
07:40:45 <cryptorchist> would any personal info be revealed? Like IP or anything that could maybe be sensitive?
07:41:01 <hyc> your node's IP address gets published to the network, yes
07:41:11 <hyc> again, you could use tor or i2p to hide that
07:41:43 <cryptorchist> is that worth being concerned about? Sorry - again pretty new to this stuff but really want to help out
07:41:56 <hyc> concern is up to you
07:43:45 <cryptorchist> what about burden to pc? Is it memory or cpu intensive to seed?
07:44:02 <hyc> inital sync is intensive
07:44:09 <hyc> ongoing routine operation, no
07:44:27 <hyc> will eat your network bandwidth tho
07:45:09 <hyc> I run a node on a VPS with monthly bandwidth cap, I have to throttle monero traffic to avoid hitting the limit
07:45:32 <cryptorchist> i used the bootstrap method to get setup - is that the sync part you're referring to? I am currently fully synced. I just don't have ports open (if i understand it correctly)
07:45:34 <hyc> but that node also does web and other stuff for me
07:45:46 <hyc> yeah
07:50:07 <cryptorchist> Ok that is helpful. Thank you for your time
07:52:03 <aum> does monerod rotate its logs?
07:52:21 <hyc> pretty sure it does, yes
08:15:01 <kgsphinx> here's a random cli-wallet question
08:15:49 <kgsphinx> when I request public_nodes, I get a nice list of what seems like the nodes that are on the network (I assume all that are running with --public-node option)
08:16:54 <kgsphinx> There's the host IP and port, and then a couple more fields.. credits/hash and last_seen.  Can someone explain what those are?
08:17:31 <kgsphinx> Are they related to RPC access and I assume the last time that MY node has see this other node through some P2P connection?
08:17:32 <kgsphinx> Thansk
15:03:52 <user7201983> what does this log mean?
15:03:54 <user7201983> W Unable to send transaction(s) to tor - no suitable outbound connections at height 2261380
15:10:20 <Zhaij> Howard Chu is a high IQ scholar, he has more Google images with a violin than Sting with a guita, he singlehandely saved NASA from doom.
15:10:20 <Zhaij> Why can't the saviour of NASA save Monero?
15:30:31 <elchupacabra420[> why should elon do this?
15:34:09 <raecarruth> do what?
15:36:17 <elchupacabra420[> Saving monero.
15:41:40 <yonatanbl> anyone knows why I get a "unable to send transaction(s) over tor - no suitable outbound connections at height" error on my Monero node every few minutes?
15:41:46 <yonatanbl> Seems like I am the only one that is getting this issue
15:47:33 <monerouser1144> Hi all, a quick question In view of the recent attacks on the Monero P2P network: does running an outbound-only node (ie --in-peers 0 -no-igd) since it runs behind a VPN help the Monero network? I assume yes, because my node is always connected to 12 peers 24/7 andf it transfers 1-3GB/day.
15:49:01 <selsta> yonatanbl: do you have tor running?
15:50:11 <moneromooo> Yes, but incoming connections help more than outgoing ones.
15:50:51 <moneromooo> (since you're less likely to connect by chance to newly syncing peers as their addresses make their way through P2P peer lists)
15:52:50 <LyzaL> love when people ask questions and stick around all of 5 minutes for an answer lol
15:53:13 <elchupacabra420[> monerouser1144: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/kkr04n/infographic_running_a_node_which_ports_should_i/
15:57:05 <monerouser1144> Well, OK but afaik there is no way to do port-forwarding on the public VPN (e.g. NordVPN) exit nodes. So I would have to stop using a VPN and  instead use my public IP (of Hetzner VPS -- btw I saw the r/Monero post about the stats of nodes per 1M country and I think it's due to people using VPS) https://i.redd.it/azbl7km0cm761.png
16:01:00 <monerouser1144> I assume that Hetzner / OVH / DO etc won't crack down on clients running Monero nodes, but I decided to play it safe (I know they don't like it when their clients run xmr-miners on VPSes).
16:04:13 <elchupacabra420[> Just go for it. Youre a paying customer.
16:12:25 <monerouser1144> Since this is a CT on a Hetzner dedicated server used in production, I'd rather not risk it. Perhaps on a "throwaway" VPS. Btw I think the best way to achieve more nodes quickly would be to create an auto-install script, so that people with minimal Linux sysadmin skills can create a Debian10 VPS at Hetzner / OVH / DO / Vultr etc and then just ssh
16:12:26 <monerouser1144> into it and run something like "wget xyz ; bash xyz"
16:13:57 <monerouser1144> I don't think that many people can use the systemd configs and bash scripts posted at r/Monero.
16:15:10 <M5M400> monerouser1144: neither Hetz nor OVH mind monerod on dedis or VPS
16:15:58 <M5M400> on dedis you can do whatever the hell you want and on VPS they only care about massive CPU, so a synced node is not an issue. been running my public node on a hetz VPS for several years and only recently moved it to a dedi
16:16:15 <onf> 2
16:16:20 <onf> oops
16:16:44 <sech1> My Hetzner dedi has been running a node and mining at the same time for more than a year
16:17:45 <monerouser1144> Yes I know that, I just didn't want to risk it in case of a change in policy.  So I run a CT node (both monerod and bitcoind) but I tunnel all its traffic over a VPN.
16:25:10 <monerouser1144> Btw I was rather surprised with the relatively fewer nodes per 1M in USA (https://i.redd.it/azbl7km0cm761.png), maybe the Americans don't want to risk getting in trouble with the IRS?
16:37:45 <nioc> What?
16:39:56 <nioc> many people run nodes on a vps and they do so where the price is right
16:43:54 <nioc> I bought a cheap comp a while ago to run a node and has saved me money over the long run compared to a vps
17:16:53 <monerouser1144> IMHO If you want to greatly increase the number of public nodes (reading today's posts in r/Monero) you have to make it easier for people who are not in IT or web dev. You have to create a list of suitable VPS offerings and a script to auto-install monerod on Debian10 (or CentOS). I'm sure there are a lot of people who wouldn't mind spending
17:16:54 <monerouser1144> $100/yr to support the network, but they wouldn't risk running it on their own Win10 home PC nor do they know enough to setup a RasPi or another ARM-based SBC at home,
17:30:28 <nioc> public vs personal yes
17:31:14 <nioc> what you need for a public node is bandwidth which you don't get for $100/yr
17:37:02 <kinghat[m]> i think most ppl have issues with the bandwidth. at least in the us.
17:42:13 <monerouser1144> That's why someone knowledgeable has to do some market research among the various VPS providers, for offerings suitable for a node.
17:46:05 <monerouser1144> I just checked the VPS offerings of a few US based providers (Vultr and DreamHost), and they seem to have suitable offerings for $10-$20/mo (some offerings have a 3-5TB/mo bandwidth cap, which however seems adequate for a small node).
17:53:46 <gingeropolous> monerouser1144, thats a great idea. i do become concerned though about fostering a node growth that doesn't create a base knowledge.. i mean, perhaps it will, in some, and enough.
17:54:14 <gingeropolous> but for instance, monero requires regular updates, and having zombie nodes around on the network doesn't do a lot of help
17:54:39 <gingeropolous> though i wonder if we could make zombie nodes still contribute to relaying etc
17:56:15 <gingeropolous> e.g., a node on v0.17.1.7 gets a message from a node on v0.18.0.0, and 18 has a consensus change
17:56:44 <onf> wouldn't it be better to just educate the wanna-be node admins?
17:56:47 <gingeropolous> is there a way to get the 17.1.7 node to still function as relay even if it doesn't have the ability to determine if its consensus
17:56:54 <gingeropolous> onf, well yes absolutely
17:59:49 <gingeropolous> i guess as long as the PoW doesn't change you could use a header chain
18:02:20 <monerouser1144> IMHO creating an apt/deb repo for updating monerod would be the best option. I'm sure 1000s of people may want to contribute, but don't have the time to become Linux sysadmins.
18:02:38 <gingeropolous> oh man that'd be fascinating. if you could get the nodes to autoupdate if, say, they see a n block header chain they can assume good
18:02:50 <gingeropolous> there is a repo for deb i think
18:03:10 <monerouser1144> I don't think there is ... or maybe I missed it.
18:07:58 <dgoddard> The problem with autoupdate is security
18:08:39 <dgoddard> Download and run "trusted" code from a "trusted" source... like SolarWinds
18:10:05 <monerouser1144> The problem with autoupdate is trust. Because effectively you'll be delegating the choice of updating to a new algo etc to someone else. But based on what I've observed in the past, this is already the case with the regular Monero hard-forks.
18:11:18 <dgoddard> Those HFs require one to manually download (presumably) check hashes, etc. Anything that automates that process opens up MITM possibilities
18:11:29 <monerouser1144> Linux apt/yum/etc repos can be reasonable secure (especially over https), I mean there are millions of servers already using them.
18:11:37 <dgoddard> tru
18:11:42 <dgoddard> *true
18:15:44 <monerouser1144> afaik apt repos use the same underlying technologies (gpg signing of metadata and sha256 checksums) as the current distribution does.
18:17:52 <monerouser1144> The main drawback would be that the devs might have to support multiple distros (ie both deb and rpm).
18:20:09 <LyzaL> <monerouser1144> there is an opt repository maintained by the whonix guy https://gitlab.com/whonix/monero-gui
18:20:49 <LyzaL> works on debian and ubuntu and probably other derivatives
18:21:37 <monerouser1144> Finally, another option would be to "outsource" this, e.g. someone with Linux sysadmin skills will create an Ansible playbook to stand up monero nodes and non-tech people will contribute funds to run it.
18:21:54 * moneromooo is vaguely amused that an assumed secure source of software is called APT.
18:23:06 <monerouser1144> LOL (because to netsec people APT = "Advanced Persistent Threat" ?)
18:24:35 <monerouser1144> Anyway, apt can be reasonably secure, especially when running over https. IMHO it's the only realistic way to achieve big growth of nodes.
18:26:58 <ErCiccione[m]> Finally, another option would be to "outsource" this <- Sounds like a good CCS proposal
18:28:27 <monerouser1144> To give you a concrete example of automating the monerod setup with Ansible, I am thinking of something like the streisand project for Monero https://github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand
18:29:59 <h2017> already said this, i want to see a standalone gui installer and control program for monerod completely independent of the wallet
18:30:15 <h2017> that way windows users could just be told to point and click
18:30:27 <h2017> and there might be a website with a quick setup guide
18:31:00 <h2017> and i suppose i should be willing to fund this too
18:31:42 <LyzaL> h2017: https://git.wownero.com/feather/feather-meta/issues/3
18:33:25 <monerouser1144> I don't think many people will be comfortable running a 24/7 monerod node on their home Win10 PC (and opening its 18080 port to the entire Internet). Whereas a Linux VPS even if hacked, can be re-created easily.
18:34:07 <onf> Also, it's safe to assume Windows are backdoored.
18:34:49 <LyzaL> the above proposal would also work for OS X and Linux GUI
18:35:25 <gingeropolous> problem with windows home user point and click goal is firewalls at the router and port forwarding
18:35:25 <LyzaL> I agree not necessarily the best for people who want to open up incoming ports, but still an improvement on the current situation imo
18:35:35 <gingeropolous> unfortunately there's no "point and click" for that
18:35:35 <monerouser1144> Well, most people run antivirus software, which already flags monero as malware. Plus most people wouldn't know how to secure it. Whereas on Linux you have AppArmor or SELinux.
18:36:06 <gingeropolous> i guess though you still have outgoing connections
18:36:18 <sethsimmons> If you’re only exposing p2p I’m not sure why you need to do further securing for most users
18:36:36 <gingeropolous> so your not completely leaching
18:36:51 <sethsimmons> That doesn’t really expose any attack surface as you can’t run RPC commands against it obviously.
18:37:05 <sethsimmons> I mean yes it could open up if there’s a massive vuln in monerod p2p, but that’s it.
18:37:07 <gingeropolous> tHaT wE KnOw oF
18:37:33 <LyzaL> technically there is some exposure and uhh, it's not like we haven't seen network bugs lately, but also home users commonly expose ports for p2p apps like bittorrent
18:38:37 <LyzaL> anyway I guess the GUI daemon manager is not entirely connected to the idea of having more nodes but I think it's somewhat connected and is a good idea for other reasons. that's all I got on it
18:38:54 <gingeropolous> h2017> already said this, i want to see a standalone gui installer and control program for monerod completely independent of the wallet >>> yeah ive always thought something called "monero network service"
18:39:36 <gingeropolous> would make sense
18:40:46 <LyzaL> <gingeropolous> in case u missed it dsc_ made such a proposal for feather here https://git.wownero.com/feather/feather-meta/issues/3 -- since it is proposed to be separate from feather, it could very well be employed by both feather and the official GUI
18:40:54 <sethsimmons> We need an RFP process in CCS
18:41:08 <sethsimmons> Say we want to fund something but don’t have a contributor who has signed up yet
18:41:16 <LyzaL> yeah yeah
18:41:23 <sethsimmons> Show approval somehow then let someone step up to take it
18:41:23 <LyzaL> agree
18:41:30 <gingeropolous> yeah we used to have that
18:42:21 <sethsimmons> I guess we could kind of use Reddit for that
18:42:28 <sethsimmons> I might just post an RFP for this
18:42:43 <gingeropolous> first run of it didn't do so well. i think there was only one. maybe the nvidia miner funding. but that was back when monero was a wee one
18:42:46 <LyzaL> reddit is not good for that kind of thing since old posts disappear
18:43:08 <LyzaL> well not disappear but get buried
18:43:37 <ErCiccione[m]> yeah i've been thinking for some time that would be cool to have some bountysource kind of thing, but using Monero
18:44:45 <monerouser1144> Reddit is the best way to reach 1000s of people interested in Monero. I know it's what I check myself.
18:46:28 <Mochi101> What about reaching people that don't use Reddit?
18:46:38 <Mochi101> We need to do a Superbowl Ad
18:46:58 <marmulak> mailing list
18:47:08 <marmulak> twitter
18:47:39 <monerouser1144> selsta please add IP 161.35.39.87 (n+2)
18:48:16 <selsta> done
18:49:01 <milkycyborg[m]> Do we have any official Discord server?
18:49:05 <selsta> v0.17.1.8 will allow reloading the ban list
18:49:06 <milkycyborg[m]> not a bad idea
18:52:19 <monerouser1144> Reddit has a millions of people who are already interested in cryptocurrencies and also tech-y stuff (r/ sysadmin, linuxadmin, netsec, selfhosted, privacy etc).
18:55:06 <p0nziph0ne> 5
20:34:25 <iMafia> i think reddit is still citing numbers from 2012 and their site is slowly dying and one of the most boring places the internet has to offer today
20:35:09 <iMafia> aaran swartz would unzip and piss on the face of every single leftist censoring redditor
20:43:33 <aum> reddit could be handy for the occasional pump'n'dump spruik-up
21:00:30 <dgoddard> I have mostly moved to decentralized/uncensorable social media. But I stay on reddit because network effects
21:02:03 <onf> dgoddard: out of curiosity, to which decentralized social media (if you don't mind sharing
21:02:09 <onf> *?
21:04:39 <dgoddard> memo.cash / member.cash for twitter-like ; Secure Scuttlebutt for FB-like long-form posts
21:05:20 <dgoddard> Both are truly serverless / P2P and in that sense uncensorable. Scuttlebutt has the additional feature of Tor integration
21:05:35 <raecarruth> ssb is a good platform
21:05:49 <raecarruth> but i can't say that i like the censorship
21:06:12 <dgoddard> What do you mean, censorship? The whole point (to me at least) is that it's censorship-resistanct
21:06:36 <raecarruth> it is
21:06:48 <raecarruth> ?
21:07:07 <dgoddard> Nobody can stop your SSB posts any more than they can stop your BCH txn from broadcasting
21:07:20 <dgoddard> it's true P2P, there are no servers
21:55:57 <aum> the monero mining hardware list only seems to have CPUs. Is there a list of compatible GPUs, especially PCIe-compatible?
21:56:45 <nioc> GPUs don't mine monero very well
21:57:36 <nioc> if you already have them and also have free elec then you can use them
22:12:21 <aum> so am I better off putting up a spare i5/i7 box and thrashing it senseless?
22:13:38 <aum> and, how much RAM should I allow for xmrig to mine optimally?
22:43:27 <LyzaL> think it's like 4 GB per NUMA node
22:49:57 <nioc> aum: you need 2MB L3 cache per thread
22:50:03 <nioc> my i5 has 6MB
22:51:16 <aum> nioc thanks -- that's very modest
22:51:37 <aum> also, is there any advantage to SSD, or is a small magnetic hdd suitable?
22:51:40 <LyzaL> ram and cache aren't the same
22:52:15 <aum> oh ok
22:52:17 <LyzaL> here says 2080 MB per NUMA node https://xmrig.com/docs/miner/randomx-optimization-guide
22:52:24 <nioc> yes, I answered a question that was not sked
22:52:33 <nioc> asked
22:53:14 <nioc> drive makes no difference for mining
22:53:18 <LyzaL> so I guess that effectively make the minimum for a randomx mining pc 4 GB
22:54:16 <LyzaL> SSD is important if you want to run a node which you would need to do for solo mining but yeah, not important for pool
22:55:21 <nioc> speed and timing of ram also makes a difference but use whatever you have
22:56:18 <aum> I already got a container running my node (which is also configured for lightweight mining)
22:56:58 <aum> I've got a spare bare metal box, and it seems apt to load it up with a tiny HDD and DDR4 RAM wafer, and XMrig over Linux, and crank the throttle
23:13:19 <h2017> i have a dedicated box for my node. if i set it to mine will i make any profit on top of electricity costs. it's in my mother's house (literally my mother's basement). Will I be able to make it fair so I can pay the electricity costs and otherwise keep profit? I haven't tried mining yet.
23:13:55 <h2017> i also i have a a condo but i don't have any internet in my condo (donit's complicated)
23:14:05 <h2017> don't ask. it's complicated :)
23:14:16 <iMafia> there is a mining profitability calculator you can google, you just need to know your $ kw/h and how much watts your rig takes up
23:14:50 <iMafia> i have just built a single cpu mining rig, and from my calculations it wasn't profitable to mine without a ryzen 9 cpu, electricity in my area is expensive though
23:16:50 <LyzaL> my Ryzen 3900x profits approx a buck fifty per day rn, and my electricity cost is slightly below 10 cent per kWhr
23:17:12 <iMafia> what is the H/s ?
23:17:44 <h2017> sounds like my dedicated box won't be up to the task
23:17:45 <LyzaL> 13,500 on approx 150 watts
23:17:57 <LyzaL> h2017 https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculator
23:18:15 <iMafia> h2017, it was about $800 for my single cpu mining rig
23:18:42 <LyzaL> I definitely would not recommend buying a mining rig, but mining with your desktop, or server, or media PC on the other hand ... ...
23:18:44 <iMafia> well, not really a rig but a single node
23:19:14 <em38> Hey just one question if anyone knows. After I lose connection i get this  Unable to send transaction(s), no available connections
23:19:29 <iMafia> you don't need to buy a mining rig, 1 node is profitable, just slowly add nodes
23:19:32 <LyzaL> wownero can be good to mine with older CPUs, I mine at MoneroOcean to have it automatically paid out in XMR
23:19:37 <LyzaL> older or lower power
23:19:58 <LyzaL> em38 what's the question
23:20:10 <h2017> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-8121U CPU @ 2.20GHz
23:20:22 <h2017> it's an intel 4 core. probably not worth bothering to try mining with then
23:21:19 <iMafia> that will be a very low hash rate
23:21:38 <em38> Is there any reason it stops trying to reconnect even though internet connectivity becomes available after a while?
23:22:00 <h2017> it's  one of those intel NUC boxes. it fits neatly in the available physical space but it's not exactly a beast when it comes to power
23:22:01 <iMafia> em38 is there a keepalive setting in the config
23:23:14 <LyzaL> you could always solo mine i.e. play the lottery :)
23:23:23 <LyzaL> never know, might solve a block first day =p
23:24:15 <em38> No , I did not see it on monerod docs when I was setting it up, how exactly does it go? :)
23:34:20 <h2017> what about mining from my desktop. i've got an amd ryzen 7 8-core
23:35:03 <LyzaL> ryzens are pretty good
23:35:53 <LyzaL> and if I were mining with the ryze, I'd consider mining with the node too. it's more worth it if it's piling onto another miner and increasing frequency of payouts, even slightly
23:56:43 <aum> what percentage of block reward payouts does minexmr keep for itself?