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xtuh
h, is that means that mining with daemon have some chances?
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xtuh
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nioc
that's info about what is happening on the blockchain, has no bearing on your mining success
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nioc
if you solo mine at 2000 H/s then on average can expect a block in a bit over 3 years
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xtuh
ok. thanks
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bigslim[m]
Sooo... that CipherTrace deal. Anyone have any thoughts on it? Has anyone reviewed their patents they filed or is there no data supplied to public regarding their technology used?
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bigslim[m]
I’m curious to read into it. I’m guessing Justin was the one who talked with cointelegraph
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bigslim[m]
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nioc
With 45% of darknet markets now supporting Monero—the second-favorite cryptocurrency of choice among criminals, just behind bitcoin
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nioc
but we are so behind the usd
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nioc
come on guys
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nioc
CipherTrace has always been an advocate of user privacy.
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nioc
hed asplode
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nioc
they only use one tiny cookie wen you visit their site
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nioc
oh it's tiny?
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bigslim[m]
Heh
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nioc
well if it's tiny then ok
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bigslim[m]
Duck duck go
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nioc
what harm could a little bunny rabbit do?
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bigslim[m]
What harm could drug cartels do with anonymous transactions, it’s just a little privacy.
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bigslim[m]
It’s funny their parent filed, included chain analysis from 2018...
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nioc
good thing that harm is under control now
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Mochi101
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Mochi101
2020-05-28
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Mochi101
Publication of WO2020106638A1
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Mochi101
Seems it was first filed in 2018 though
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Deyaa
Hello
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Deyaa
I wonder what is the best miner for XMR??
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xtuh
i know xmr-stak and xm-rig
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questi
hi
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questi
there were news that some company soft can to a degree trace monero
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questi
i would say their probabilstic model is not accurate
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questi
am i wrong
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endor00[m]
<questi "i would say their probabilstic m"> How could you say that if you don't even know what their model is?
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endor00[m]
Lots of people dismissing what they hear without even checking, based on one bad interview from a CEO
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endor00[m]
Perfect recipe for getting caught with your pants down
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sethsimmons
Yup, definitely worth assuming the worst and trying to figure out how they do their probabalistic guesses and keep iterating to close off those holes.
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sethsimmons
I think there is good reason to think their tool is ineffective, but that doesn't mean we ignore the threat -- its a great chance to take a second look at some of the known weaknesses and try to mitigate or remove them.
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bigslim[m]
<sethsimmons "Yup, definitely worth assuming t"> Definitely taking some knowns and then using ML to guess the rest
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dixie__flatline[
<bigslim[m] "Definitely taking some knowns an"> have they demonstrated their capabilities publicly yet?
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dixie__flatline[
have they shown publicly some coin flows in monero transactions?
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dixie__flatline[
or is it all smoke and mirrors
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dixie__flatline[
something to scare people from using monero, while grabbing some government money
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LyzaL
why would they demonstrate it?
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LyzaL
we *might* get some information if / when this tech is ever used in a court case against somebody, since the prosecution will have to explain their evidence, but I feel like just openly demonstrating / disclosing their techniques would not be in their interest
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dixie__flatline[
if they have it working well, that would be lotta prestige for their company
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LyzaL
true but if they've got government contracts they probably have an even bigger interest in keeping pleasing hoever is paying them, and whoever is paying them definitely does not benefit from having the tech disclosed openly
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dixie__flatline[
the thing is, if ciphertrace is indeed capable of tracing coins (not just probabilistically, but deterministically), then, the company would get much money from other possible sources than the current puny government payout of, what, 625k USD?
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charolastra
they want international gov contracts. on the other hand that israelian iphone cracking company doesn't show off either
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LyzaL
I mean, probabilistic is good enough for a warrant though
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LyzaL
it doesn't have to be 100%
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charolastra
they might as well just lie (like they did with iraq, twice)
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dixie__flatline[
well, this is moving beyond the coin surveillance, if they get to choose to inciriminate people for 50 percent probability, etc
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LyzaL
the legal line for acquiring a warrant is mere probable cause
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dixie__flatline[
if that's the case, as we all know, one should attach as little as possible metadata to his monero transactions
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LyzaL
probabilistic is gonna be enough to put anyone in jail by itself but they can use stuff like that to fish for more evidence
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dixie__flatline[
so that he can evade those warrants based on probabilities
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LyzaL
isn't* I meant to say
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LyzaL
yeah for sure
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LyzaL
better support for i2p is gonna help a ton with that, but people still need to be careful what they share
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dixie__flatline[
I am not familiar with i2p network, but I hear it is a much more anon network than tor
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dixie__flatline[
if that's the case, ability to run a node and connect with other nodes, send transactions, etc, on i2p would be great.
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dixie__flatline[
all the more power for the little man
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LyzaL
i2p already works (as does tor) but it requires a little setup. we seem to be moving towards being able to integrate it in the GUI though
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LyzaL
getting more people using it is the big thing
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bigslim[m]
I think that they potentially have a start but in no way can fully trace coins like Monero. You have givens like exchange accounts and addresses and those addresses that have been withdrawn to as well as other accounts publicly known. Tracing rings and others is pretty much unknown however pretty sure they are using quantum computing to “guess”
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dixie__flatline[
sure
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dixie__flatline[
they are using quantum computing? really?
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donkeydonkey[m]
is there a good web article on how to use i2p. and also is there a page on what metadata should be omitted to increase privacy? thanks y'all
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dixie__flatline[
an article on metadata with regards to monero transactions would be nice
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dixie__flatline[
cc: kayront
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bigslim[m]
Government money for anything crypto tracing most likely has quantum computing behind it.
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LyzaL
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dixie__flatline[
I was surprised only because that tech is so early currenty?
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bigslim[m]
Scraping onion explorers is quite nice
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LyzaL
you no longer need to manually add peers with --add-peer
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donkeydonkey[m]
<LyzaL "it's slightly dated now but http"> thx
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bigslim[m]
dixie__flatline: the tech is only new “to the public”
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dixie__flatline[
bigslim: yeah, probs. it's an unknown unknown for us, the public, currently.
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LyzaL
also the latest release of i2p-zero, 1.18, is broken, you need to download 1.17 instead
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bigslim[m]
You want to solve bug problems you been big firepower. Gpu/cpu farms can only do so much.
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dixie__flatline[
<LyzaL "also the latest release of i2p-z"> ouch
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bigslim[m]
Biotechs using lots of ML to solve covid vaccine
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LyzaL
there actually is a work around for using 1.18 but 1.17 is the recommended sol'n.
i2p-zero/i2p-zero #31
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charolastra
"Government money for anything crypto tracing most likely has quantum computing behind it." so it's backed by voodoo mumbo jumbo?
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lh1008[m]
Hello everyone, I think I caught a bug, check it out:
monero-project/monero #7041
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questi
hello
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questi
who is awake?
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raecarruth
me
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dixie__flatline[
questi: I am awaken.
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azy
im pretty woke
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questi
have you read a recent article about a company that claims it can trace monero??>
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dixie__flatline[
questi: scroll u
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dixie__flatline[
*ip
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dixie__flatline[
*up
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nioc
did this company give any proof?
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dixie__flatline[
we just had a small convo on that
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dixie__flatline[
nioc: not yet.
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dixie__flatline[
afaik
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questi
ooohhh I was logged out
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questi
maybe they are bluffing
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nioc
dixie__flatline[: yes I know :)
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dixie__flatline[
<questi "ooohhh I was logged out"> you can't see the message history on irc?
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questi
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security contracted with CipherTrace for a total of $3.6 million—with $2.4 million already paid—to create the Monero tracing tool.
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questi
I logged via web so no
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questi
via www
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dixie__flatline[
come to matrix
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nioc
they both have one and are creating one
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nioc
ok
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questi
Although the Monero community is viewing the CipherTrace tool as a negative, the tracking tool might actually save—or at least postpone—Monero from its inevitable demise. Now that analytics software exists for Monero, exchanges and governments can once again potential permit Monero
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questi
lool
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questi
I think monero is far from demise
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dixie__flatline[
inevitable demise
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dixie__flatline[
ciphertrace the holy savior
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hyc
sounds like nonsense, since "analytics software exists for Monero" is false
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dixie__flatline[
obviously
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dixie__flatline[
it's just marketing framing
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hyc
the only thing that can be true, at most, is that they're working on it, and they convinced the USgov to give them a lot of money to work on it
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questi
which is a neat trick
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questi
:)
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hyc
not that they have anything useful as a result
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hyc
meh, the USgov spends $300 on a screwdriver. all it takes is a guy in the right suit
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questi
300?
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questi
federalscrewdrivers.com lol
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questi
my new biz
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questi
fully certified made in usa
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questi
traceable srewdrivers
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hyc
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yanmaani
How about a magic trick?
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yanmaani
I'm going to make $625k of government money
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yanmaani
disappear
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yanmaani
And ta-da, it's gone!
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questi
ohhh lol
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hyc
can pretty much guarantee that 90% of that money will go into executives' pockets, hardly any will go into actual software development
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questi
why
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questi
have you worked in such company?
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questi
I have worked in some corps quit to travel :)
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questi
is offtopic allowed here?
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azy
how big is the pruned db currently?
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nioc
30-35Gb
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azy
ty
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nioc
I don't have one but that's wat I hear
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questi
anyone here is in Ireland or Canada?
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questi
:)
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questi
i can hear a sound of laptop fan
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questi
silence :P
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Mochi101
azy, just over 30Gb (I have a pruned and synced db)
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lithiumpt
how is a txid generated? i suppose it's random, can someone point me to the code?
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moneromooo
calculate_transaction_hash IIRC
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moneromooo
Hashes of serialized data.
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focus-u-f
azy: 30G /mnt/.bitmonero/lmdb
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focus-u-f
30210 MB
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azy
ty
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selsta
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donkeydonkey[m]
started just fine. though it couldnt autostart the daemon. i started the daemon from the commnand line and it worked just fine. arch linux.
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selsta
donkeydonkey[m]: maybe permission related
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selsta
you have to set daemon to executable too
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selsta
thanks for testing
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donkeydonkey[m]
ohh right cause its gonna use the one provided.
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donkeydonkey[m]
not mine that i usually use.
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donkeydonkey[m]
do you want me to report it on that web page
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selsta
not necessary
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donkeydonkey[m]
you were right i made the daemon executable and it autostarted. i just posted a short one that it worked on arch.
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Criispin
hi :) whats moneros fork cycle still twice a year?
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selsta
no
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selsta
less often
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selsta
seems 9-12 months currently
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Criispin
okey thanks :)
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goldenhaze[m]
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goldenhaze[m]
Doge 2020/23 November legit bot -
t.me/DogeGoldBot?start=1096151644
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goldenhaze[m]
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d4rkp1r4t3
rekt