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Minnen
is there a command to get durrent exchange?
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Minnen
*current
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elektro
Hey :) .Not sure if this is the correct channel.But i ran into some issue.If someone knows how to solve it, you can pm me so that I do not flood this channel.So the problem is that my cli-wallet started throwing error mining to daemon:Found nonce, but daemon errored out with error -18:Stale payment, continuing.While on my node side it just says
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elektro
very stale nonce.I can't properly sync my wallet nor mine for rpc because of it.Only thing I have done before that was restart my pc.And I tried to create config file to set my daemon via it.But Even when it's default that still keeps happening.
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internetsurfer
can anyone tell me the difference between getmonero.org and mymonero.com
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internetsurfer
i can find a hundred blogs trough google, all giving me another hundred suggestions or even alternative (scam..) links where i should go
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dEBRUYNE
getmonero.org is the official Monero wallet
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dEBRUYNE
MyMonero.com is a reputable wallet provider, but is essentially 'third-party'
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moneromooo
elektro: is it your daemon ? And this is on topic for this channel.
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coppa
hop time to update the app !
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coppa
if I read well there is now an auto update wich is practical
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coppa
my ledger live app is all blank how wierd is that
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selsta
all blank?
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coppa
ok updated through dl in their site i had V2.01 and the UI wall all blank
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coppa
the V2.1 seems ok now
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selsta
I use 2.10
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coppa
sorry yes i meant 2.10 seems ok
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_I3^RELATIVISM
o/ monero
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_I3^RELATIVISM
o/ monero
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I notice that there is a newmonero git repository, which is great to see selfhosted service for monero codebas
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moneromooo
IIRC there a self hosted mirror somewhere on i2p. Is that it ?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I was wondeering because I couldnt find it, it kovri codebase available in repo.getmonero.org and if not could it be included given that kovri gitlab.com repository needs use of cloudfare services
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moneromooo
kovri is somewhere on gitlab.
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moneromooo
Oh nvm.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
moneromooo: yeah that is wath I mean, it is available in
gitlab.com/kovri-project/kovri, but you need to use cloudfare services, which is something I dont whish to do
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moneromooo
I'm not sure whether kovri is still maintained. anonimal switched to sekreta (a layer above i2p/tor/etc), which uses kovri as a first network layer, so it might be embedded in sekreta (also on gitlab).
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_I3^RELATIVISM
do you know where I can find that I2Plink
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moneromooo
Well, you're harder than me. Not going to cloudflare infected sites would dos me too much :/
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moneromooo
I don't. I just remember this got setup ages ago.
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moneromooo
Dunno if it's got kovri though.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
moneromooo: I know thanks for sharing though, anyway could kovri codebase be included on repo.getmonero.org?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
<moneromooo "Dunno if it's got kovri though."> so it is a general monero repository through I2P then?
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yanmaani
moneromooo: wait, please don't tell me you're going to use sekreta for anything serious
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moneromooo
Not sure whether that'd get consensus. THere's been pushback against kovri.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yanmaani: please try not to derail conversation, would like to get to kovri codebase
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moneromooo
yanmaani: depends if it gets reviewed. It might end up something good.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
given that there might be a project interested in maintaining it, and continue sekreta work
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yanmaani
The design is fundamentally broken
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moneromooo
Feel free to comment with detailson the PR for it. Let me find it...
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_I3^RELATIVISM
found it monero-repo.i2p
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_I3^RELATIVISM
cheers
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moneromooo
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_I3^RELATIVISM
dont use github sorry will make a issue on repo.getmonero.org though
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moneromooo
That was for yanmaani
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moneromooo
To comment on what's broken in the design
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yanmaani
moneromooo: thanks
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» yanmaani resists urges to pull a Linus Torvalds
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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ErCiccione
What do you mean?
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ErCiccione
Well, technically it is a step back :)
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_I3^RELATIVISM
after having read discussion logs and issues couldnt find reasoning behind this move back to github ErCiccione could you share such reasoning?
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ErCiccione
Did you check the links in the blog post?
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ErCiccione
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dsc_
gitlab is not the only thing that exists regarding self-hosted git platforms ^^
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ErCiccione
dsc_ do you think gitea can compete with gitlab or github for security and quality/number of features?
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lza_menace
no
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dsc_
yes
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dsc_
ErCiccione: Are you a software developer? Have you extensively used Gitea, both normal usage and used their API? :P
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dsc_
Have you *hosted* a Gitea instance?
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dsc_
Have you contributed to Gitea?
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dsc_
6 question to which I can answer yes
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dsc_
(sorry if I come across as rude, don't mean to :P)
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yanmaani
is anonimal funded by CCS?
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ErCiccione
sgp_ Yeah you are actually being rude and i don't understand why. I'm asking you because i don't know it. If you think gitea would be good for hosting monero repositories open an issue about it. Being passive-aggressive won't help
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dsc_
ErCiccione: Sorry, I misinterpreted your question for "gitea is not a right fit"
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guzzi
oh kovri talk. ooh
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guzzi
is the i2pd fight over?
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ErCiccione
sorry to ping sgp_ my brain farted. I meant dsc_
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sgp_
I was like what did I do now lol
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ErCiccione
Sorry sgp_
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guzzi
man grin took a dive in price.
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guzzi
i been away a long time
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guzzi
monero seems to still be the gold standard for actual $$
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> moneromooo I found this Qubes article from June 2020 about changes to qrexec
qubes-os.org/news/2020/06/22/new-qrexec-policy-system
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> When I have some time I’ll try to compare and test changes with what’s on (the seemingly outdated)
getmonero.org/resources/user-guides…_daemon_isolation_qubes_whonix.html
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moneromooo
ty
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> If anyone has experience using Qubes OS and successfully isolating daemon from wallet, please let me know :)
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moneromooo
Well, I do. It just works only sometimes :D
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_I3^RELATIVISM
ErCiccione: ok nice so you are still exploring other option
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moneromooo
So every time I want to refresh my wallet it takes me two hours. Reminds me of rebooting Linux 20 years ago. You never knew how much hacking it was going to take to bring it back up...
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_I3^RELATIVISM
gitea is the best option in what regards to libre git hosting platform Imyself use libregit.org codebase
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I feel when this happends monero should consider fixing commits to a dev token so the project can be truly distributed and selfsustaining
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asy
noooo
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yanmaani
^
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dsc_
gitea ftw
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_I3^RELATIVISM
guzzi: that is kind of condecendent, what do you mean by kovri talk this is a important topic
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asy
(the noooo was aimed at "dev token", not at gittea. I think gittea is excellent)
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yanmaani
gitweb
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yanmaani
and a mailing list
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_I3^RELATIVISM
asy: why not a dev token
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_I3^RELATIVISM
the biggest issue of any FOSS project is it finacial sustainability
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dsc_
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asy
why would a dev want to be paid in worthless tokens that do nothing? i'd rather just give mooo xmr because he deserves something of value for all his time :)
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_I3^RELATIVISM
a project should not depend on the monero shares of its founders
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dsc_
this github issue... omg.
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moneromooo
Oh, I was wondering what "fixing commits to a dev token" meant. I was thinking some kind of auth :D
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» dsc_ not in a good mood, shows himself out
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_I3^RELATIVISM
asy: I never sayed it couldnt be based on monero
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_I3^RELATIVISM
dsc_: I already read that through pipeline, and that doesnt answer the question
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_I3^RELATIVISM
moneromooo: so the problem is of the financial sutainability and distribution of decisions on FOSS rojects
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moneromooo
We could take 20% of the block reward for 4 years only. Then come back and extend it.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
and fortunately enough monero doesnt still have that issue though to monero high value, of consequence of the buble days
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moneromooo
(pwned!)
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asy
zmonero
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» moneromooo checks it's not -dev
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_I3^RELATIVISM
but this is not sustainable
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_I3^RELATIVISM
guzzi what did you meant by kovri talk? ErCiccione maybe you might be able to help me understand?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
isnt this an impotant topic for the monero project future?
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moneromooo
Not anymore really.
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moneromooo
The GUI uses i2p0 (IIRC).
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moneromooo
And anonimal seems gone for good.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
moneromooo: you meant I2P or i2p0?
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moneromooo
I2p0 is one particular implementation of an i2p router, AIUI.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yeah havent seen anonimal for a while
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_I3^RELATIVISM
will check it out
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_I3^RELATIVISM
is that anonimals implementation
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moneromooo
Not AFAIK.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
or the kovri endeavour was dropped by the monero project
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moneromooo
Yes, pretty much.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
Is that why guzzi refered to "kovri talk"
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_I3^RELATIVISM
?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
that is unfortunate
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moneromooo
The one open door is sekreta, if it gets reviewed and found good, but yanmaani's comment above suggests this ain't gonna happen.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I had a couple conversations with anonimal about anonimity and he was on to something
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yeah wasnt anonimal the main maintainner of sekreta
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I think we was trying to pass on the sekreta maintaineer on to someone else
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_I3^RELATIVISM
unfortunately didnt had time
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moneromooo
Oh really. Last I knew he was putting all his time on sekreta.
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moneromooo
Well, life happens I guess.
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yanmaani
jesus, poor guy
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yanmaani
should've asked someone to review it
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yanmaani
he seems a skilled programmer but sekreta is just totally useless, sorry to say
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_I3^RELATIVISM
maybe my preception was incorrect
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yanmaani: not useless at all
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_I3^RELATIVISM
something like that has been necessary, higher level project being able to use I2P TOR, etc
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_I3^RELATIVISM
<yanmaani "jesus, poor guy"> Im defenatelly not a suporter of jesus, eheh, "poor guy" that seams to have a underlying meaning
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_I3^RELATIVISM
do you think the anonymity philosophical question created some issues for him?is that what yanmaani meant by that.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
the only way to reach anonimity with the current computer system is by abstraction and layers
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_I3^RELATIVISM
in other words attestation
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_I3^RELATIVISM
but anonimalwas trying to find a simpler solution, from what I understood, which I believe is not actionable in present technology.
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ErCiccione
dsc_: Again. If you think gitea would be a good fit for Monero, open an issue and explain why. You said many time that in your opinion we should move to gitea, but never really gave an explanation.
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dsc_
It's touchy subject for me because I explained many times on IRC and then you have people in that issue that are like yeah gitlab/github are better that are not actually devs themselves its like yeah
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dsc_
But yes you are correct :)
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ErCiccione
I don't remember you explaining on IRC to be honest and the discussion about the migration (the issue) was open for more than a year and i don't see a comment from you which says why we should move to gitea. You cannot complain if you never really made your case
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_I3^RELATIVISM
the issue is not gitea or gitlab itself ErCiccione but
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_I3^RELATIVISM
"not using github" that is the main concern
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ErCiccione
Also, the people who actually made their case used gitlab and repo.getmonero for a long time, found issues and explained what was the best course to follow in their opinion. I don't see how saying "that are not actually devs themselves" can be a point to be honest dsc_
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ErCiccione
. ¦3<RELATIVISM: please read the entire conversation on github. We moved to gitlab specifically to move away from github. We didn't find gitlab fitting our purposes, no better alternative was presented, so we moved back
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I have read almost all the issues related to this topic
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_I3^RELATIVISM
my point is
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yanmaani
_I3^RELATIVISM: It's useless
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yanmaani
No, what I meant is, he produced useless code
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dsc_
It was presented many times. And it was ignored many times :)
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yanmaani
and got burned out doing it
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_I3^RELATIVISM
convenience sometimes need to be sacrificed over privacy and freedom
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_I3^RELATIVISM
<_I3^RELATIVISM "convenience sometimes need to be"> ErCiccione: ^^
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_I3^RELATIVISM
if that is monero ideals, like it claims
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_I3^RELATIVISM
that is my only point
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ErCiccione
dsc_: Saying only "Gitea good" is not really "presenting" in my opinion.
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dsc_
Ok
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_I3^RELATIVISM
selfhosting is the best option, but if that is not a possibility, them use main websites
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_I3^RELATIVISM
My main problem ErCiccione is that monero moved back to github that is themain issuehere
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_I3^RELATIVISM
that should never be an option really
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ErCiccione
. ¦3<RELATIVISM: Again. I would be happy to move away from github, but nobody haven't offered an alternative yet and explained pros and cons. I'm really sick of people complaining without offering a better alternative or without being aware of what pain was to work on gitlab every day.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
true
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ErCiccione
saying "muh github bad" is not really a point
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ErCiccione
If you read the issue carefully you'll find out that for long time i was the only person pusing for staying on gitlab while everybody else wanted to switch back
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ErCiccione
if i finally changed my mind there is a reason
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yanmaani
can't you use both? Take in PRs from whatever source, and merge everything everywhere
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yanmaani
issues would still be on GH though
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dsc_
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dsc_
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dsc_
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dsc_
3 different self-hosted examples
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dsc_
actually qt and tor use the same software :p
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lza_menace
cgit
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lza_menace
let's just have a bake-off!
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dsc_
grep -r "dsc_" | grep -i gitea ~/.irssi | wc -l
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dsc_
u get the gist
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ndorf
er, the output of the first grep command isn't used?
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dsc_
yesyesyes :P
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ndorf
the next command reads from .irssi, not stdin :P
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moneromooo
Caught inflating stats :o
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dsc_
grep -r "dsc_" ~/.irssi | grep -i gitea | wc -l
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yanmaani
cgit <3
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moneromooo
Actually that'll give 0. Unless you have a weird directory.
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dsc_
haha
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yanmaani
cgit over email
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yanmaani
that's how the real players roll
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ndorf
you also don't need the wc -l, just grep -ci gitea :P
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» ndorf ducks
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dsc_
I'm never entering commands here again!!
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ndorf
lol
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ndorf
how dare you waste a fork and exec, there are starving children in Ethiopia who wish they had the proc table you do!!
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ndorf
neetpill[m]: suddenly i'm in the mood for avocado toast
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lza_menace
im always in the mood for avo toast, brah
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ndorf
lza_menace: no better way to spend 0.2 XMR amirite
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lza_menace
u rite
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ndorf
jokes aside, i think i will make myself one right now
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guzzi
_I3^RELATIVISM i will save you the long drawn out story. Kovri is dead for now. Someone can pick it up if they like.
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guzzi
i2pd is the leading impelementation but it is bsd3 limited
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guzzi
picking up where kovri left off is probably the best option to get a working MIT version. using the java code as a reference would be a good way to learn and build up kovri
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_I3^RELATIVISM
that is exatcly what I have asked for so would apreciate you respect my question
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guzzi
you are asking to work on kovri?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yes guzzi I have noticed everything was licensed under the permissive bsd3clause license
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guzzi
in kovri too?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
guzzi: I would like first to know what made anonimalloose his interest, cheers
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guzzi
there were some social issues that affected his lose of interest.
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guzzi
he moved on.
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guzzi
i moved on.
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guzzi
others moved on
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» dsc_ is stuck in the 90s
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guzzi
kovri is a fork of i2pd because of some disagreements.
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guzzi
i2pd is still being developed.
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guzzi
kovri development stopped
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guzzi
someone would have to pick up kovri dev.
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guzzi
i did it for a bit but also left do to the social issues going on.
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guzzi
what i am trying to say is the door is wide open for anyone to work on kovri
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guzzi
and yes it looks like kovri is also bsd3.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
what were those social issues
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yes kovri was also relicensed tomy amazement
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guzzi
I couldn't personaly work with him.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
after I show my issue on having a premissive license
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guzzi
communication was not friendly
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ErCiccione
guzzi: Adding to your point that anonimal himself considers kovri obsolete
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ErCiccione
and sekreta a better replacement
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guzzi
kovri is obsolete like c programming is absolete
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_I3^RELATIVISM
given current political circunstances I would as well
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guzzi
sekreta has nothing to do with security it is just an api
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moneromooo
Sektreta is not a replacement though. It's a layer above.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I dont consider C programming obsolete byt the contrary
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guzzi
exactly my point
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_I3^RELATIVISM
the alterntives have deeper issues
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_I3^RELATIVISM
rust has its issue with the trademark
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guzzi
i2pd won't get used due to political issues.
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guzzi
thus we are stuck with fixing up kovri
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_I3^RELATIVISM
go the weird issue with reproducible builds
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ErCiccione
not talking about kovri itself. The point is that IIRC anonimal stated that using only one anonymizing technology isn't safe enough, that's why sekreta would work better
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ErCiccione
it's not about the tool itself being obsolete, it's about the concept behind it
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guzzi
lol ok
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guzzi
makes no sense
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_I3^RELATIVISM
ErCiccione: the problem is with current computer system atestation is the only way to go
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guzzi
i2p is just a agreed upon routing protocol. just like tor
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ErCiccione
This is what i remember from an IRC chat. That's why many people were pissed. Because the thing was basically "kovri doesn't achieve what we want to achive, but sekreta would"
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_I3^RELATIVISM
and that involves anufacturing kovri hardware
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guzzi
BS.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
something I dont feelis feasble
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guzzi
bunch of balony
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_I3^RELATIVISM
probably a UI issue
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guzzi
ok here it goes
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guzzi
the i2pd createor and anonimal and fluffy had a disagreement
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guzzi
kovri was forked and anonimal was the lead dev
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ErCiccione
That's why at the end he wanted to "replace" kovri with sekreta (meaning integrating sekreta into monero, not kovri)
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guzzi
anonimal was impossible to work with , violent, and made basically sytactical commits
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guzzi
the gig was up on anonimal so he came up with his next scam
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guzzi
sekreta.
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guzzi
which was just an api over tor and i2p
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guzzi
now since fluffy and the create or i2pd don't get along there is zero chance of it being used in Monero
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guzzi
fluffy controls the repo
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guzzi
thus someone needs to get kovri up to i2pd level
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guzzi
all the diffy helmen needs to be changed out etc.
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» _I3^RELATIVISM is afk
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ErCiccione
I believe anoninmal's honesty about that. i don't think it menat to scam anybody. Just the way he dealt with the entire situation was really bad
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guzzi
I quit becuase he was a jerk
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ErCiccione
now since fluffy and the create or i2pd don't get along there is zero chance of it being used in Monero -> Monero doesn't work that way
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guzzi
i saw it in his commits
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guzzi
well fluffy controls the repo so good luck
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guzzi
zero chance he merges that pr to include i2pd
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guzzi
way too much history
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moneromooo
I can change the diffy helmen
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guzzi
i can start poking around in it now that anonimal is gone. i feel ike it is a safe space again
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ErCiccione
I worked with anonimal on kovri for 2 years, i'm familiar with how hard can be working with him
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moneromooo
FWIW, luigi and snipa merge stuff, not fluffy.
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guzzi
basicaly just look at i2pd and start bringing in code.
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moneromooo
Carry on though.
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guzzi
i don't see fluffy letting it happen.
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ErCiccione
yeah and fluffy is not the masterlord of Monero who decides what happens and what doesn't
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ErCiccione
(yes, i just made up masterlord)
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guzzi
well if someone decides to bury the hatchet on the i2pd thing with fluffy then it woulnd't be much work to get it as a submodule
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moneromooo
It's possible fluffy would change perms on github etc, but that pretty unlikely I think. and if it happened, you know, we're using git...
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guzzi
I mean i am all for just using i2pd. but it has a lot of things we don't need too
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guzzi
a lite version is actually a useful project
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moneromooo
I love "bury the hatchet" as an expression. I always imagine it being buried into the other guy's chest...
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guzzi
something that other coins could also use.
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moneromooo
(and yes, I do know the etymolgy)
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guzzi
i will start looking at how heavy i2pd is. we could just add it as a submodule and use the protocol built in i2pd. i forget the name
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guzzi
as long as others can also pull in then i guess i can take a look.
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guzzi
i guess times have changed a bit
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ErCiccione
Why would we need i2pd tho? don't we already use i2pzero?
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guzzi
i2pzero is a java implementation and is slower due to the jvm
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guzzi
it has the jvm compiled inside of it
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guzzi
it is a 'stop gap' for now basically imo
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guzzi
i mean i couldn't imaging seeding a i2p based node from genesis.
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guzzi
the java implementation has always been a reference implementation
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guzzi
c++ will always be faster
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guzzi
thus why i2pd exists
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guzzi
and kovri
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jwinterm
is java really the bottleneck more than bandwidth when it comes to stuff like that?
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guzzi
i guess if all the encryption code is using c bindings it probably isn't that bad
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guzzi
but haha it is still java. i mean c'mon.
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jwinterm
I just installed tor browser for the first time btw
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guzzi
lol
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guzzi
jk
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jwinterm
please don't report me to fbi
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jwinterm
enterprise level internet anonymity
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jwinterm
with java
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guzzi
long time no see jwinterm.
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jwinterm
I am always about
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jwinterm
mostly chat in pools and markets and stuff tho I guess
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ErCiccione
Oh now i understand where this conversation started, the sekreta PR was closed few hours ago
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guzzi
cool. i mostly do minecraft with my daughter now. lol
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jwinterm
nice
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guzzi
i will commit to at least looking at i2pd and coming up with a plan to add it as a submodule. but it would need some sort of concensus. I won't start coding until it is agreed upon.
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guzzi
i can at least list out our options on a forum post.
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guzzi
anyways. gtg. :)
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ErCiccione
forum? we don't have that anymore :P
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ErCiccione
open an issue in meta or monero
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ErCiccione
moneromooo: i remember anonimal was active on hackerone. Is he still doing that or he disappeared completely?
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moneromooo
Gone AFAICT.
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ErCiccione
Hope nothing bad happened to him. I remember he had some health issues
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dsc_
Monday is no day to discuss controversial topics
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dsc_
people need to get into the groove of the start of the workweek
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» dsc_ hands out coffee
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Thominus
mmm <sip>
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guzzi
mmm :{> monday.
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lh1008[m]
Hello everyone, I have some questions. In
web.getmonero.org/resources/roadmap, "Wallet scanning speedups (support for supercop ASM)". Does supercop stand for 'System for Unified Performance Evaluation Related to Cryptographic Operations and Primitives'? What's ASM?
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ndorf
lh1008[m]: yes, and ASM is assembly language
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lh1008[m]
Thank you ndorf :)
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ndorf
np
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endor00[m]
Noob question: I still don't understand the need to make the Monero-version of i2p/i2pd instead of simply developing a plugin for those two routers, or simply baking into the Monero code some (relatively) simple code to interact with those two routers
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endor00[m]
I2CP was made exactly for this: allowing third-party applications to interact with the router
geti2p.net/spec/i2cp
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moneromooo
Memory's hazy, but IIRC no i2p router was any good at the time.
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endor00[m]
Both routers support it, so all a user would have to do is enable i2cp in their router config and tell monerod/monero-wallet-cli to interact with it
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endor00[m]
Even if both routers suck, reinventing the wheel is a much less efficient way to go about it - the resources of the I2P project are thinly spread as it is
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endor00[m]
Much more efficient to just join/support either of those two projects and join forces, imo
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endor00[m]
With all the big changes they've made to the protocol spec in the last few months (like the move from ElGamal to Double Ratchet encryption), it would require a lot duplicate work just to keep up with the rest of the network
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guzzi
yeah that is basicaly the idea
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guzzi
if i2cp is a good router just use that api
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guzzi
wait is that the java one again. lol
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guzzi
going to stop commenting until i do my research and come back with a plan
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endor00[m]
Both java i2p and i2pd support i2cp, they follow the same spec