01:40:32 <Minnen> is there a command to get durrent exchange?
01:40:38 <Minnen> *current
05:12:36 <elektro> Hey :)  .Not sure if this is the correct channel.But i ran into some issue.If someone knows how to solve it, you can pm me so that I do not flood this channel.So the problem is that my cli-wallet started throwing error mining to daemon:Found nonce, but daemon errored out with error -18:Stale payment, continuing.While on my node side it just says
05:12:36 <elektro> very stale nonce.I can't properly sync my wallet nor mine for rpc because of it.Only thing I have done before that was restart my pc.And I tried to create config file to set my daemon via it.But Even when it's default that still keeps happening.
07:33:45 <internetsurfer> can anyone tell me the difference between getmonero.org and mymonero.com
07:34:29 <internetsurfer> i can find a hundred blogs trough google, all giving me another hundred suggestions or even alternative (scam..) links where i should go
07:35:21 <dEBRUYNE> getmonero.org is the official Monero wallet
07:35:34 <dEBRUYNE> MyMonero.com is a reputable wallet provider, but is essentially 'third-party'
10:59:23 <moneromooo> elektro: is it your daemon ? And this is on topic for this channel.
12:55:25 <coppa> hop time to update the app !
12:55:52 <coppa> if I read well there is now an auto update wich is practical
13:20:07 <coppa> my ledger live app is all blank how wierd is that
13:20:33 <selsta> all blank?
13:23:33 <coppa> ok updated through dl in their site i had V2.01 and the UI wall all blank
13:23:40 <coppa> the V2.1 seems ok now
13:24:19 <selsta> I use 2.10
13:25:03 <coppa> sorry yes i meant 2.10 seems ok
17:55:26 <_I3^RELATIVISM> o/ monero
18:11:38 <_I3^RELATIVISM> o/ monero
18:12:09 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I notice that there is a newmonero git repository, which is great to see selfhosted service for monero codebas
18:13:17 <moneromooo> IIRC there a self hosted mirror somewhere on i2p. Is that it ?
18:13:38 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I was wondeering because I couldnt find it, it kovri codebase available in repo.getmonero.org and if not could it be included given that kovri gitlab.com repository needs use of cloudfare services
18:13:49 <moneromooo> kovri is somewhere on gitlab.
18:13:59 <moneromooo> Oh nvm.
18:14:49 <_I3^RELATIVISM> moneromooo: yeah that is wath I mean, it is available in https://gitlab.com/kovri-project/kovri, but you need to use cloudfare services, which is something I dont whish to do
18:15:04 <moneromooo> I'm not sure whether kovri is still maintained. anonimal switched to sekreta (a layer above i2p/tor/etc), which uses kovri as a first network layer, so it might be embedded in sekreta (also on gitlab).
18:15:08 <_I3^RELATIVISM> do you know where I can find that I2Plink
18:15:34 <moneromooo> Well, you're harder than me. Not going to cloudflare infected sites would dos me too much :/
18:15:45 <moneromooo> I don't. I just remember this got setup ages ago.
18:15:51 <moneromooo> Dunno if it's got kovri though.
18:16:04 <_I3^RELATIVISM> moneromooo: I know thanks for sharing though, anyway could kovri codebase be included on repo.getmonero.org?
18:16:57 <_I3^RELATIVISM> <moneromooo "Dunno if it's got kovri though."> so it is a general monero repository through I2P then?
18:17:00 <yanmaani> moneromooo: wait, please don't tell me you're going to use sekreta for anything serious
18:17:24 <moneromooo> Not sure whether that'd get consensus. THere's been pushback against kovri.
18:17:35 <_I3^RELATIVISM> yanmaani: please try not to derail conversation, would like to get to kovri codebase
18:17:41 <moneromooo> yanmaani: depends if it gets reviewed. It might end up something good.
18:18:00 <_I3^RELATIVISM> given that there might be a project interested in maintaining it, and continue sekreta work
18:18:08 <yanmaani> The design is fundamentally broken
18:18:48 <moneromooo> Feel free to comment with detailson the PR for it. Let me find it...
18:19:13 <_I3^RELATIVISM> found it monero-repo.i2p
18:19:14 <_I3^RELATIVISM> cheers
18:19:16 <moneromooo> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/6276
18:19:58 <_I3^RELATIVISM> dont use github sorry will make a issue on repo.getmonero.org though
18:20:42 <moneromooo> That was for yanmaani
18:20:53 <moneromooo> To comment on what's broken in the design
18:24:06 <yanmaani> moneromooo: thanks
18:24:34 * yanmaani resists urges to pull a Linus Torvalds
18:24:52 <_I3^RELATIVISM> ErCiccione: I see this https://web.getmonero.org/2020/04/13/migration-github.html has a step backwards.
18:25:33 <ErCiccione> What do you mean?
18:25:50 <ErCiccione> Well, technically it is a step back :)
18:32:47 <_I3^RELATIVISM> after having read discussion logs and issues couldnt find reasoning behind this move back to github ErCiccione could you share such reasoning?
18:34:32 <ErCiccione> Did you check the links in the blog post?
18:34:32 <ErCiccione> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236#issuecomment-605023567
18:36:26 <dsc_> gitlab is not the only thing that exists regarding self-hosted git platforms ^^
18:42:00 <ErCiccione> dsc_ do you think gitea can compete with gitlab or github for security and quality/number of features?
18:46:03 <lza_menace> no
18:48:43 <dsc_> yes
18:49:13 <dsc_> ErCiccione: Are you a software developer? Have you extensively used Gitea, both normal usage and used their API? :P
18:49:31 <dsc_> Have you *hosted* a Gitea instance?
18:49:47 <dsc_> Have you contributed to Gitea?
18:49:59 <dsc_> 6 question to which I can answer yes
18:50:10 <dsc_> (sorry if I come across as rude, don't mean to :P)
18:53:34 <yanmaani> is anonimal funded by CCS?
18:54:03 <ErCiccione> sgp_ Yeah you are actually being rude and i don't understand why. I'm asking you because i don't know it. If you think gitea would be good for hosting monero repositories open an issue about it. Being passive-aggressive won't help
18:55:43 <dsc_> ErCiccione: Sorry, I misinterpreted your question for "gitea is not a right fit"
18:55:47 <guzzi> oh kovri talk. ooh
18:56:00 <guzzi> is the i2pd fight over?
18:56:02 <ErCiccione> sorry to ping sgp_ my brain farted. I meant dsc_
18:56:14 <sgp_> I was like what did I do now lol
18:56:45 <ErCiccione> Sorry sgp_
19:01:33 <guzzi> man grin took a dive in price.
19:01:40 <guzzi> i been away a long time
19:02:22 <guzzi> monero seems to still be the gold standard for actual $$
19:03:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> moneromooo I found this Qubes article from June 2020 about changes to qrexec https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2020/06/22/new-qrexec-policy-system/
19:04:12 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> When I have some time I’ll try to compare and test changes with what’s on (the seemingly outdated) https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/cli_wallet_daemon_isolation_qubes_whonix.html
19:05:20 <moneromooo> ty
19:05:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> If anyone has experience using Qubes OS and successfully isolating daemon from wallet, please let me know :)
19:05:48 <moneromooo> Well, I do. It just works only sometimes :D
19:06:27 <_I3^RELATIVISM> ErCiccione: ok nice so you are still exploring other option
19:06:40 <moneromooo> So every time I want to refresh my wallet it takes me two hours. Reminds me of rebooting Linux 20 years ago. You never knew how much hacking it was going to take to bring it back up...
19:07:15 <_I3^RELATIVISM> gitea is the best option in what regards to libre git hosting platform Imyself use libregit.org codebase
19:08:29 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I feel when this happends monero should consider fixing commits to a dev token so the project can be truly distributed and selfsustaining
19:08:38 <asy> noooo
19:09:09 <yanmaani> ^
19:09:15 <dsc_> gitea ftw
19:09:30 <_I3^RELATIVISM> guzzi: that is kind of condecendent, what do you mean by kovri talk this is a important topic
19:09:39 <asy> (the noooo was aimed at "dev token", not at gittea. I think gittea is excellent)
19:09:42 <yanmaani> gitweb
19:09:49 <yanmaani> and a mailing list
19:10:08 <_I3^RELATIVISM> asy: why not a dev token
19:10:32 <_I3^RELATIVISM> the biggest issue of any FOSS project is it finacial sustainability
19:10:53 <dsc_> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236
19:10:54 <asy> why would a dev want to be paid in worthless tokens that do nothing? i'd rather just give mooo xmr because he deserves something of value for all his time :)
19:10:55 <_I3^RELATIVISM> a project should not depend on the monero shares of its founders
19:11:04 <dsc_> this github issue... omg.
19:11:25 <moneromooo> Oh, I was wondering what "fixing commits to a dev token" meant. I was thinking some kind of auth :D
19:11:25 * dsc_ not in a good mood, shows himself out
19:11:33 <_I3^RELATIVISM> asy: I never sayed it couldnt be based on monero
19:12:13 <_I3^RELATIVISM> dsc_: I already read that through pipeline, and that doesnt answer the question
19:13:00 <_I3^RELATIVISM> moneromooo: so the problem is of the financial sutainability and distribution of decisions on FOSS rojects
19:13:38 <moneromooo> We could take 20% of the block reward for 4 years only. Then come back and extend it.
19:13:39 <_I3^RELATIVISM> and fortunately enough monero doesnt still have that issue though to monero high value, of consequence of the buble days
19:13:46 <moneromooo> (pwned!)
19:13:47 <asy> zmonero
19:13:58 * moneromooo checks it's not -dev
19:13:59 <_I3^RELATIVISM> but this is not sustainable
19:14:56 <_I3^RELATIVISM> guzzi what did you meant by kovri talk? ErCiccione maybe you might be able to help me understand?
19:15:16 <_I3^RELATIVISM> isnt this an impotant topic for the monero project future?
19:15:24 <moneromooo> Not anymore really.
19:15:44 <moneromooo> The GUI uses i2p0 (IIRC).
19:16:10 <moneromooo> And anonimal seems gone for good.
19:16:36 <_I3^RELATIVISM> moneromooo: you meant I2P or i2p0?
19:16:58 <moneromooo> I2p0 is one particular implementation of an i2p router, AIUI.
19:17:06 <_I3^RELATIVISM> yeah havent seen anonimal for a while
19:17:18 <_I3^RELATIVISM> will check it out
19:17:28 <_I3^RELATIVISM> is that anonimals implementation
19:17:35 <moneromooo> Not AFAIK.
19:17:52 <_I3^RELATIVISM> or the kovri endeavour was dropped by the monero project
19:18:06 <moneromooo> Yes, pretty much.
19:18:20 <_I3^RELATIVISM> Is that why guzzi refered to "kovri talk"
19:18:21 <_I3^RELATIVISM> ?
19:18:25 <_I3^RELATIVISM> that is unfortunate
19:18:41 <moneromooo> The one open door is sekreta, if it gets reviewed and found good, but yanmaani's comment above suggests this ain't gonna happen.
19:18:52 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I had a couple conversations with anonimal about anonimity and he was on to something
19:19:18 <_I3^RELATIVISM> yeah wasnt anonimal the main maintainner of sekreta
19:19:41 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I think we was trying to pass on the sekreta maintaineer on to someone else
19:19:53 <_I3^RELATIVISM> unfortunately didnt had time
19:20:09 <moneromooo> Oh really. Last I knew he was putting all his time on sekreta.
19:20:18 <moneromooo> Well, life happens I guess.
19:21:03 <yanmaani> jesus, poor guy
19:21:09 <yanmaani> should've asked someone to review it
19:21:27 <yanmaani> he seems a skilled programmer but sekreta is just totally useless, sorry to say
19:21:30 <_I3^RELATIVISM> maybe my preception was incorrect
19:21:42 <_I3^RELATIVISM> yanmaani: not useless at all
19:22:25 <_I3^RELATIVISM> something like that has been necessary, higher level project being able to use I2P TOR, etc
19:23:21 <_I3^RELATIVISM> <yanmaani "jesus, poor guy"> Im defenatelly not a suporter of jesus, eheh, "poor guy" that seams to have a underlying meaning
19:24:31 <_I3^RELATIVISM> do you think the anonymity philosophical question created some issues for him?is that what yanmaani meant by that.
19:26:00 <_I3^RELATIVISM> the only way to reach anonimity with the current computer system is by abstraction and layers
19:26:25 <_I3^RELATIVISM> in other words attestation
19:28:05 <_I3^RELATIVISM> but anonimalwas trying to find a simpler solution, from what I understood, which I believe is not actionable in present technology.
19:32:09 <ErCiccione> dsc_: Again. If you think gitea would be a good fit for Monero, open an issue and explain why. You said many time that in your opinion we should move to gitea, but never really gave an explanation.
19:32:56 <dsc_> It's touchy subject for me because I explained many times on IRC and then you have people in that issue that are like yeah gitlab/github are better that are not actually devs themselves its like yeah
19:33:14 <dsc_> But yes you are correct :)
19:34:58 <ErCiccione> I don't remember you explaining on IRC to be honest and the discussion about the migration (the issue) was open for more than a year and i don't see a comment from you which says why we should move to gitea. You cannot complain if you never really made your case
19:36:52 <_I3^RELATIVISM> the issue is not gitea or gitlab itself ErCiccione but
19:37:09 <_I3^RELATIVISM> "not using github" that is the main concern
19:37:33 <ErCiccione> Also, the people who actually made their case used gitlab and repo.getmonero for a long time, found issues and explained what was the best course to follow in their opinion. I don't see how saying "that are not actually devs themselves" can be a point to be honest dsc_
19:38:25 <ErCiccione> . ¦3<RELATIVISM: please read the entire conversation on github. We moved to gitlab specifically to move away from github. We didn't find gitlab fitting our purposes, no better alternative was presented, so we moved back
19:38:56 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I have read almost all the issues related to this topic
19:39:01 <_I3^RELATIVISM> my point is
19:39:04 <yanmaani> _I3^RELATIVISM: It's useless
19:39:20 <yanmaani> No, what I meant is, he produced useless code
19:39:21 <dsc_> It was presented many times. And it was ignored many times :)
19:39:23 <yanmaani> and got burned out doing it
19:39:30 <_I3^RELATIVISM> convenience sometimes need to be sacrificed over privacy and freedom
19:39:49 <_I3^RELATIVISM> <_I3^RELATIVISM "convenience sometimes need to be"> ErCiccione: ^^
19:40:09 <_I3^RELATIVISM> if that is monero ideals, like it claims
19:40:17 <_I3^RELATIVISM> that is my only point
19:40:28 <ErCiccione> dsc_: Saying only "Gitea good" is not really "presenting" in my opinion.
19:40:42 <dsc_> Ok
19:40:53 <_I3^RELATIVISM> selfhosting is the best option, but if that is not a possibility, them use main websites
19:41:43 <_I3^RELATIVISM> My main problem ErCiccione is that monero moved back to github that is themain issuehere
19:41:55 <_I3^RELATIVISM> that should never be an option really
19:42:14 <ErCiccione> . ¦3<RELATIVISM: Again. I would be happy to move away from github, but nobody haven't offered an alternative yet and explained pros and cons. I'm really sick of people complaining without offering a better alternative or without being aware of what pain was to work on gitlab every day.
19:42:32 <_I3^RELATIVISM> true
19:42:39 <ErCiccione> saying "muh github bad" is not really a point
19:43:14 <ErCiccione> If you read the issue carefully you'll find out that for long time i was the only person pusing for staying on gitlab while everybody else wanted to switch back
19:43:27 <ErCiccione> if i finally changed my mind there is a reason
19:43:44 <yanmaani> can't you use both? Take in PRs from whatever source, and merge everything everywhere
19:43:48 <yanmaani> issues would still be on GH though
19:44:06 <dsc_> https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git
19:44:16 <dsc_> https://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git
19:44:30 <dsc_> https://git.wownero.com/monero-project/monero-seed
19:45:00 <dsc_> 3 different self-hosted examples
19:45:31 <dsc_> actually qt and tor use the same software :p
19:45:34 <lza_menace> cgit
19:46:12 <lza_menace> let's just have a bake-off!
19:47:54 <dsc_> grep -r "dsc_" | grep -i gitea ~/.irssi | wc -l
19:49:09 <dsc_> u get the gist
19:49:21 <ndorf> er, the output of the first grep command isn't used?
19:49:30 <dsc_> yesyesyes :P
19:49:34 <ndorf> the next command reads from .irssi, not stdin :P
19:49:59 <moneromooo> Caught inflating stats :o
19:50:01 <dsc_> grep -r "dsc_" ~/.irssi | grep -i gitea | wc -l
19:50:01 <yanmaani> cgit <3
19:50:07 <moneromooo> Actually that'll give 0. Unless you have a weird directory.
19:50:11 <dsc_> haha
19:50:13 <yanmaani> cgit over email
19:50:20 <yanmaani> that's how the real players roll
19:53:29 <ndorf> you also don't need the wc -l, just grep -ci gitea :P
19:53:30 * ndorf ducks
19:53:41 <dsc_> I'm never entering commands here again!!
19:53:44 <ndorf> lol
19:54:25 <ndorf> how dare you waste a fork and exec, there are starving children in Ethiopia who wish they had the proc table you do!!
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19:56:04 <ndorf> neetpill[m]: suddenly i'm in the mood for avocado toast
19:59:30 <lza_menace> im always in the mood for avo toast, brah
20:00:03 <ndorf> lza_menace: no better way to spend 0.2 XMR amirite
20:00:34 <lza_menace> u rite
20:00:58 <ndorf> jokes aside, i think i will make myself one right now
20:16:22 <guzzi> _I3^RELATIVISM i will save you the long drawn out story. Kovri is dead for now.  Someone can pick it up if they like.
20:19:30 <guzzi>  i2pd is the leading impelementation but it is bsd3 limited
20:20:40 <guzzi> picking up where kovri left off is probably the best option to get a working MIT version.  using the java code as a reference would be a good way to learn and build up kovri
20:20:58 <_I3^RELATIVISM> that is exatcly what I have asked for so would apreciate you respect my question
20:21:26 <guzzi> you are asking to work on kovri?
20:21:43 <_I3^RELATIVISM> yes guzzi I have noticed everything was licensed under the permissive bsd3clause license
20:21:56 <guzzi> in kovri too?
20:22:29 <_I3^RELATIVISM> guzzi: I would like first to know what made anonimalloose his interest, cheers
20:23:10 <guzzi> there were some social issues that affected his lose of interest.
20:23:26 <guzzi> he moved on.
20:23:30 <guzzi> i moved on.
20:23:33 <guzzi> others moved on
20:23:56 * dsc_ is stuck in the 90s
20:24:32 <guzzi> kovri is a fork of i2pd because of some disagreements.
20:24:41 <guzzi> i2pd is still being developed.
20:24:47 <guzzi> kovri development stopped
20:24:55 <guzzi> someone would have to pick up kovri dev.
20:25:11 <guzzi> i did it for a bit but also left do to the social issues going on.
20:25:27 <guzzi> what i am trying to say is the door is wide open for anyone to work on kovri
20:26:30 <guzzi> and yes it looks like kovri is also bsd3.
20:26:36 <_I3^RELATIVISM> what were those social issues
20:26:48 <_I3^RELATIVISM> yes kovri was also relicensed tomy amazement
20:27:02 <guzzi> I couldn't personaly work with him.
20:27:14 <_I3^RELATIVISM> after I show my issue on having a premissive license
20:27:16 <guzzi> communication was not friendly
20:27:25 <ErCiccione> guzzi: Adding to your point that anonimal himself considers kovri obsolete
20:27:41 <ErCiccione> and sekreta a better replacement
20:27:48 <guzzi> kovri is obsolete like c programming is absolete
20:27:57 <_I3^RELATIVISM> given current political circunstances I would as well
20:28:02 <guzzi> sekreta has nothing to do with security it is just an api
20:28:03 <moneromooo> Sektreta is not a replacement though. It's a layer above.
20:28:25 <_I3^RELATIVISM> I dont consider C programming obsolete byt the contrary
20:28:32 <guzzi> exactly my point
20:28:37 <_I3^RELATIVISM> the alterntives have deeper issues
20:28:48 <_I3^RELATIVISM> rust has its issue with the trademark
20:28:56 <guzzi> i2pd won't get used due to political issues.
20:29:03 <guzzi> thus we are stuck with fixing up kovri
20:29:03 <_I3^RELATIVISM> go the weird issue with reproducible builds
20:29:08 <ErCiccione> not talking about kovri itself. The point is that IIRC anonimal stated that using only one anonymizing technology isn't safe enough, that's why sekreta would work better
20:29:35 <ErCiccione> it's not about the tool itself being obsolete, it's about the concept behind it
20:29:35 <guzzi> lol ok
20:29:42 <guzzi> makes no sense
20:30:25 <_I3^RELATIVISM> ErCiccione: the problem is with current computer system atestation is the only way to go
20:30:26 <guzzi> i2p is just a agreed upon routing protocol. just like tor
20:30:33 <ErCiccione> This is what i remember from an IRC chat. That's why many people were pissed. Because the thing was basically "kovri doesn't achieve what we want to achive, but sekreta would"
20:30:36 <_I3^RELATIVISM> and that involves anufacturing kovri hardware
20:30:42 <guzzi> BS.
20:30:45 <_I3^RELATIVISM> something I dont feelis feasble
20:31:13 <guzzi> bunch of balony
20:31:14 <_I3^RELATIVISM> probably a UI issue
20:31:26 <guzzi> ok here it goes
20:31:42 <guzzi> the i2pd createor and anonimal and fluffy had a disagreement
20:31:52 <guzzi> kovri was forked and anonimal was the lead dev
20:32:11 <ErCiccione> That's why at the end he wanted to "replace" kovri with sekreta (meaning integrating sekreta into monero, not kovri)
20:32:15 <guzzi> anonimal was impossible to work with , violent, and made basically sytactical commits
20:32:33 <guzzi> the gig was up on anonimal so he came up with his next scam
20:32:36 <guzzi> sekreta.
20:32:46 <guzzi> which was just an api over tor and i2p
20:33:08 <guzzi> now since fluffy and the create or i2pd don't get along there is zero chance of it being used in Monero
20:33:14 <guzzi> fluffy controls the repo
20:33:31 <guzzi> thus someone needs to get kovri up to i2pd level
20:33:43 <guzzi> all the diffy helmen needs to be changed out etc.
20:33:57 * _I3^RELATIVISM is afk
20:33:57 <ErCiccione> I believe anoninmal's honesty about that. i don't think it menat to scam anybody. Just the way he dealt with the entire situation was really bad
20:34:08 <guzzi> I quit becuase he was a jerk
20:34:20 <ErCiccione> now since fluffy and the create or i2pd don't get along there is zero chance of it being used in Monero -> Monero doesn't work that way
20:34:21 <guzzi> i saw it in his commits
20:34:35 <guzzi> well fluffy controls the repo so good luck
20:34:47 <guzzi> zero chance he merges that pr to include i2pd
20:34:56 <guzzi> way too much history
20:35:04 <moneromooo> I can change the diffy helmen
20:35:31 <guzzi> i can start poking around in it now that anonimal is gone. i feel ike it is a safe space again
20:35:36 <ErCiccione> I worked with anonimal on kovri for 2 years, i'm familiar with how hard can be working with him
20:35:46 <moneromooo> FWIW, luigi and snipa merge stuff, not fluffy.
20:35:46 <guzzi> basicaly just look at i2pd and start bringing in code.
20:35:54 <moneromooo> Carry on though.
20:36:16 <guzzi> i don't see fluffy letting it happen.
20:36:16 <ErCiccione> yeah and fluffy is not the masterlord of Monero who decides what happens and what doesn't
20:36:22 <ErCiccione> (yes, i just made up masterlord)
20:37:11 <guzzi> well if someone decides to bury the hatchet on the i2pd thing with fluffy then it woulnd't be much work to get it as a submodule
20:37:14 <moneromooo> It's possible fluffy would change perms on github etc, but that pretty unlikely I think. and if it happened, you know, we're using git...
20:37:49 <guzzi> I mean i am all for just using i2pd. but it has a lot of things we don't need too
20:38:03 <guzzi> a lite version is actually a useful project
20:38:13 <moneromooo> I love "bury the hatchet" as an expression. I always imagine it being buried into the other guy's chest...
20:38:22 <guzzi> something that other coins could also use.
20:38:35 <moneromooo> (and yes, I do know the etymolgy)
20:39:01 <guzzi> i will start looking at how heavy i2pd is. we could just add it as a submodule and use the protocol built in i2pd. i forget the name
20:39:39 <guzzi> as long as others can also pull in then i guess i can take a look.
20:39:46 <guzzi> i guess times have changed a bit
20:41:25 <ErCiccione> Why would we need i2pd tho? don't we already use i2pzero?
20:41:49 <guzzi> i2pzero is a java implementation and is slower due to the jvm
20:42:04 <guzzi> it has the jvm compiled inside of it
20:42:19 <guzzi> it is a 'stop gap' for now basically imo
20:42:50 <guzzi> i mean i couldn't imaging seeding a i2p based node from genesis.
20:43:28 <guzzi> the java implementation has always been a reference implementation
20:43:50 <guzzi> c++ will always be faster
20:44:05 <guzzi> thus why i2pd exists
20:44:10 <guzzi> and kovri
20:44:11 <jwinterm> is java really the bottleneck more than bandwidth when it comes to stuff like that?
20:44:52 <guzzi> i guess if all the encryption code is using c bindings it probably isn't that bad
20:45:11 <guzzi> but haha it is still java. i mean c'mon.
20:45:11 <jwinterm> I just installed tor browser for the first time btw
20:45:12 <guzzi> lol
20:45:13 <guzzi> jk
20:45:16 <jwinterm> please don't report me to fbi
20:45:31 <jwinterm> enterprise level internet anonymity
20:45:33 <jwinterm> with java
20:45:37 <guzzi> long time no see jwinterm.
20:45:55 <jwinterm> I am always about
20:46:04 <jwinterm> mostly chat in pools and markets and stuff tho I guess
20:46:24 <ErCiccione> Oh now i understand where this conversation started, the sekreta PR was closed few hours ago
20:46:46 <guzzi> cool. i mostly do minecraft with my daughter now. lol
20:47:02 <jwinterm> nice
20:48:28 <guzzi> i will commit to at least looking at i2pd and coming up with a plan to add it as a submodule. but it would need some sort of concensus. I won't start coding until it is agreed upon.
20:50:23 <guzzi> i can at least list out our options on a forum post.
20:50:33 <guzzi> anyways. gtg. :)
20:50:50 <ErCiccione> forum? we don't have that anymore :P
20:51:06 <ErCiccione> open an issue in meta or monero
20:53:48 <ErCiccione> moneromooo: i remember anonimal was active on hackerone. Is he still doing that or he disappeared completely?
20:54:11 <moneromooo> Gone AFAICT.
20:55:38 <ErCiccione> Hope nothing bad happened to him. I remember he had some health issues
21:08:14 <dsc_> Monday is no day to discuss controversial topics
21:08:24 <dsc_> people need to get into the groove of the start of the workweek
21:08:48 * dsc_ hands out coffee
21:09:06 <Thominus> mmm <sip>
21:27:30 <guzzi> mmm :{> monday.
21:38:12 <lh1008[m]> Hello everyone, I have some questions. In https://web.getmonero.org/resources/roadmap/, "Wallet scanning speedups (support for supercop ASM)". Does supercop stand for 'System for Unified Performance Evaluation Related to Cryptographic Operations and Primitives'? What's ASM?
21:43:14 <ndorf> lh1008[m]: yes, and ASM is assembly language
21:44:04 <lh1008[m]> Thank you ndorf :)
21:44:23 <ndorf> np
21:46:03 <endor00[m]> Noob question: I still don't understand the need to make the Monero-version of i2p/i2pd instead of simply developing a plugin for those two routers, or simply baking into the Monero code some (relatively) simple code to interact with those two routers
21:46:53 <endor00[m]> I2CP was made exactly for this: allowing third-party applications to interact with the router https://geti2p.net/spec/i2cp
21:48:16 <moneromooo> Memory's hazy, but IIRC no i2p router was any good at the time.
21:48:34 <endor00[m]> Both routers support it, so all a user would have to do is enable i2cp in their router config and tell monerod/monero-wallet-cli to interact with it
21:49:51 <endor00[m]> Even if both routers suck, reinventing the wheel is a much less efficient way to go about it - the resources of the I2P project are thinly spread as it is
21:51:05 <endor00[m]> Much more efficient to just join/support either of those two projects and join forces, imo
21:53:09 <endor00[m]> With all the big changes they've made to the protocol spec in the last few months (like the move from ElGamal to Double Ratchet encryption), it would require a lot duplicate work just to keep up with the rest of the network
22:24:31 <guzzi> yeah that is basicaly the idea
22:24:41 <guzzi> if i2cp is a good router just use that api
22:25:00 <guzzi> wait is that the java one again. lol
22:25:55 <guzzi> going to stop commenting until i do my research and come back with a plan
22:59:45 <endor00[m]> Both java i2p and i2pd support i2cp, they follow the same spec