is there a reason why "do not use hitbtc" was removed from the channel motd? what changed?

no, it is still listed in the "avoid" link

ahh

I don’t remember anyone changing the motd, I doubt it was intentional

yeah i guess the message was simply too long

s3a, i believe they use different standards: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/g6yqb3…_bip39_seed_phrase_standard_in_2020

"they" = hardware wallet vs monero software

yanmaani, it depends on what you mean by "compliant". there's plenty of no-kyc exchanges that will let you exchange any volume of coin.

tryphe: compliant = kyc/legal

tryphe, Thanks for the answer, but I'm still having trouble.

I found this ( github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python ), but the generated 25-word seed (from the offiline option) is not working when I try to "recover a wallet" using monero-wallet-cli --restore-from-seed.

tryphe,

I have to go again very soon, but I'll see your response later (if there is one).

Basically, why isn't it working, and is there any free-as-in-freedom program that can yield the 2nd seed from the 1st seed + passphrase combination?

Holy smokes, ... how much bandwidth is it to just run a remote (public) node? I mean I realize it will be dependant on how many users use it, but how much per sync?

I can never, ever, ever find reliable public nodes...

I have a bunch of GCE servers which I have free reign and 'corporate funding' for ... Like 1T/mo wouldn't be a biggie.

Maybe I'm just really dumb, but the only one I can ever get working is something like uwillrunanodesoon, and it's slow as xmas..

and this might be dumb, and not entirely related, but maybe... couldn't we enforce encryption etc of tx_extra by measuring the entropy of the data?

i mean, i've encountered various "you need more random" checks in my computer usage

nah wait maybe thats nonsense

gingeropolous: what

You can use haveged if you need entropy

but what are you on about

mr_ab: bandwidth is only expensive on cloud lol, you can get a server with 1 GBit unlimited for like $30 a month at Hetzner

im on about tx_extra

and its privacy destroyin ways

might have good reason to up an kick it on right outta here

you can measure entropy, not sure how much good it'll do you

all those tests are probabilistic

maybe you could have the client always encrypt it with a key deterministically generated with the wallet, but I'm not sure that matches with the use cases

nulligan: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I know right? Just thought I’d share

“Ring signatures, which enable transaction mixing, are built into the protocol design, so when attempting to locate the source of a transaction, it will appear as if a whole crowd of users took part in the exchange, making it nearly impossible to identify the true source”

Looks more like a PR stunt to me

Anyway stay safe lads

needmoney90: do you have your meme of ciphertrace announcement and then IRS announcement?

I'm on mobile or I'd have reuploaded to irccloud

There

nulligan ^

when I make transactions on testnet they never show on the wallet before the the transaction are mined

do they show up in the testnet explorer ?

hmmm, good question

testnet.xmrchain.com have alot more blocks than me

maybe im in a paralel testnet, mining blocks alone

MalMen: are you using master?

testnet forked

yes

well

im using the last bin

you need master

self compiled

sooooo, thats why I am not connecting to anyone ? xD

I was feeling alone already

lol

stagenet is good for testing ?

I just need to test monero apis and stuff

yes stagenet is ok

So do we have actual details on CipherTrace?

good question

no we don't

they haven't replied to technical questions e-mail

lol

hmm my monerod just started spitting out "E failed to find tx meta"

32 blocks in the last 30 minutes heh

that too :)

Thominus: You can safely ignore that

cool

if i couldve been traced it wouldve been

by now, stupid feds

just by bored teenagers with no money incentive at all

Argh. Forgot my password... Damn Pidgin crap..

<trasherdk> Okay. Let's see how Mattermost stacks up :)

I certainly prefer Matrix/Element to Mattermost so far

shouldnt get_transfers show unconfirmed transactions ?

And the bridge is handled much better (and is native to Element, so we don't have to own it) TrasherDK

<trasherdk> I'll have a look at that Matrix/Element thingy :)

MalMen, show_transfers unconfirmed

is it possible to build a monero qr code to send to multiple subaddresses ?

what would the qr contain?

N transactions in a single QR Code

in monero-wallet-cli you can send multiple transaction in a single operation

transfer wallet1 amount1 wallet2 amount2 wallet3 amount3

i think it would depend on the wallet receiving the qr's command(?)

yep

cli you would just put in the qr: transfer address1 amount1 address2 amount2, but that would be useless for the gui or cake

if it isn't support, it will have to be a feature request

do bitcoin wallets support that?

no idea, i'm building a web app

the use case of this scenario would be to send a payment for multiple persons at the same time

makes no sense to me how or why you would use a QR in that way

so the user can scan and then press pay on their app/whatever

freenode blocks tor

considered bridging this network to OFTC?

azy: for single addresses its pretty easy - theres a standard URI format and you can use qrencode to create the image, but I've not seen anything for multiple addresses - also seems like it would generate kind-of a big complex QR image

come to think about it, how would you come to scan a qr code on a website? with your phone while browsing via a pc?

ive seen donation buttons link "monero:address", maybe that opens people's wallets sometimes?

yanmaani: freenode works with tor. You just need to create a certificate. There are instructions on freenode's website

right - if you have software to interperet the URI it will open it in that software. like https:// will open a link, etc. same with monero:

ErCiccione[m]: yeah, and create an account

Last I knew, it wanted you to connect without tor first. Is that gone ?

a lot of work

moneromooo: nope, you have to do various hacks

i dont think it's gone

you still need to connect without first to tor for freenode

Nope. Still need to connect without tor first

Oooooh, new business model. For 5 monero, I will create accounts and sell them to tor users who don't want to connect even once without tor :D

Who outbids me at 4.5 monero ? :D

(and no I won't, just making emails is a massive pita these days and I'd need one)

ill sell bncs that can be connected to over tor

ctemplar was looking cool but then they had some wierd invite restriction to get in

so I was playing with --do-not-relay and trying to see if I could use the RPC to push the transaction in a curl command (stagenet). The docs for the daemon RPC relay_tx method show that is to post txid parameter, and the docs for the wallet RPC's relay_tx show the hex blob as the parameter. Neither of them seemed to work.

relay_tx in the daemon was borked for a time. Current master is good.

relay_tx relays a tx that the daemon already has.

sendrawtransaction adds a new tx (from hex dump).

You can bypass it by making a matrix account

but it's a giant PITA

The wallet expects a hex dump of the tx + extra data which a wallet previously generated.

ah! sendrawtransaction ! sounds like what I want for sure. I'll give that a shot thank you!

Would you bridge monero to OFTC (tor allowed)?

on the upside, I made a fortune mining stagenet :D !! so maybe I'll go for that 4.5 monero deal :D

Oookay

I'm just having the worst time

Couldn't get connected to remote nodes for the longest (I did like a month ago though fine with 0.16.0.0 even, but 16.0.3 is just like noooooo) ... finally got connected today and i'm stuck at ~80k wallet blocks remaining, with my cli throwing up everywhere

Can you share more about your setup? I use remote nodes all the time with no issues, but they’re all my own.

exceptino thrown, no connection to daemon, but then like 10 seconds later will always say... daemonBlockChainTargetHeight: daemon error, daemonBlockChainHeight: no error

I’ve never had remote sync issues so I’m curious what you’re running into.

is that a connection issue or is that something else?

running debian testing atm

i do have disk space issues

Have you tried any of the more stable nodes, like those provided by cake wallet, XMR.to, etc?

Are you doing this over clearnet or some anonymity network like Tor/i2p?

hmm, this is node.supportxmr.com, .. and yeah just clearnet

Odd, is your local network.. bad? As in bad for other things?

although my connection can be mildly unstable at times, it seems stable, lemme start a ping, maybe i'm getting packet loss, i've just been barely browsing so it's plausible

i have this bizarro fixed point wifi system setup thru my isp

Yeah, syncing up from scratch is certainly a lot more involved then just light web browsing. It’s very likely your network at fault here.

Can you run a node locally? Would likely take a long time to sync but then would be easier for you I’d expect.

well it's ~16mbit stable when it's stable, but i'm hopping between a bunch of antennas, so on occasion I get really bad packet loss just because my ISP is terrible

A pruned node only takes up like 30GB ATM.

<mr_ab "well it's ~16mbit stable when it"> That speed isn’t terrible, so maybe just run a local node?

There was a bug report a while ago that said monero is awful with shitty packet dropping connections.

hah, nailed it

P2p sync will take some time but then will be a lot easier since wallet sync would be local.

Nothing was done about this since.

i'm getting about ~10% packet loss apparently

Oof

mr_ab: What opearting system are you using?

10% seems like broken hardware.

Debian Testing, I just upgraded everything yesterday I think, so up to date to then

Need to slap some sense into your ISP buddy

That’s awful

yeahhhhhh it's a bunch of antennas stuck on grain bins, I'm happy I can get this... I'm 1mi outside of dsl land

it'll stop soon enough

oh wow, nice

never looked at the source before. goodstuff...

is the github project the most-official repository?

so - I've got a subaddress that i've been sending and receiving from. when I check balances for this subaddress it tells me 0, yet adding up ins/outs of transfers for said subaddress tells me there should be more than 0

get_balance doesn't even return the subaddress in the response

Fees ?

included fees. is there a potential for wallets to get corrupted if I used both wallet-rpc and wallet-cli on the same wallet?

Yes. But newer monero whines about it and doesn;t start.

hm, maybe that's the problem

Any chance you sent to the sending address ?

ie, A -> A

no, but have sent to another subaddress within the same wallet

Same account ?

yes. the only "weird" functionality from that is that "amount" in the get_transfers response payload is 0, but the correct amount is hidden in nested dict

That's probably why then.

Send 1 from A to A is the same as sending 0 and getting a change of 1.

gotcha

the only other weird behavior is that the primary address (account 0, address 0) has funds in it despite never having sent any there

Change is sent to subaddress 0.

ohhhhhhh

got it

what specifically do you mean by "change" - just want to confirm terminology

nevermind: getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/change.html

fuck

so subaddresses are a bad way to track longterm, then right? if it consumes inputs to make a transaction and needs to make change, the change goes to (0, 0), therefore messing up the associated balance of the subaddress

Yes. Subaddresses are aliases for the account. Use accounts if you want to do accounting.

bam

thanks moneromooo

i have heard of wallets getting corrupt when doing account based - is that a concern as far as you know?

if I needed to restore the wallet, would I just do "create_account" rpc call for every account I had previously? how would balances line back up?

so I was successful with pushing raw_monero_tx via monerod-RPC's send_raw_transaction. I learned though, if I'm not missing something - I can only generate one transfer per cli session per raw_monero_tx file.

Thats useable now that I know.

If you don't have large numbers of unused accounts/subaddresses, it should be done automatically as the wallet scans.

Yes. IIRC it was annoying to change the commands to add a filename. Parsing filenames is annoying as a guide.

Then again, sign does it.

But it probably doesn't like filenames with a \n in it, or spaces.

right :)

serves the purpose

The RPC wallet ought to send back the data though, no ?

I have to try again with the RPC wallet - I was just using the cli and posting to monerod's RPC

I tried moving the file out of the way for a second transaction - if I do that in a single session of the cli, the second file fails as a double spend