SerHack are you arround ?

any documentation with regards to churning best practices? im trying to write an auto-churning app and i have a vague idead of how churning works but want to make sure i do it right

Churn 1 output at a time, 1-2 days after receiving it.

make sense, and by churning im presuming its sending from one subaddress to a different subaddress, as opposed to sbuaddress -> same subaddress ?

you can send to the same subaddress, it doesn't matter

addresses are hidden on the blockchain anyway

true

hello there! can anyone give me a hint as to why my balance didn't get unlocked after eight hours of waiting? anything going on i don't know about? thanks a lot!

its possible the spender has a unlock height that is greater than what 8 hours of mining would get

, /s/spender/sender/g

thanks for your reply! i don't think so, i got it from changelly and also already did a small transaction from the xmrs i received. but now it's all locked....

when did you do the small tx? that likely will lock your entire balance for a bit

lets say you receive a tx for 1 XMR and you wait for it to unlock, and them immediately send a tx forf 0.1 XMR that will likely lock the entire remaining 0.9XMR

you can somewhat avoid this annoyance by lets say taking 30% of your monero and sending it to 3 different addresses

that way if you only need to send 0.1XMR you can do so from a subaddress only locking that subaddress not locking the other subaddresses

bonedaddy, do you use the CLI ?

Mochi101: sort, im using monero-wallet-rpc and interacting with it using github.com/monero-ecosystem/go-monero-rpc-client

i use a cli i wrote and a service im working on

If you use the CLI you can do something like "transfer <your address> .1 <your address> .1 <your address> .1 <your address> .1 <your address> .1 <your address> .1

oh shit

bigbrain move right there

Then the next time you send something to an external address you have it broken down into smaller outputs already.

thats so much better wow

I just costs you the tx fee to do it.

yea but you can always get real cheap with the tx fees if you want

So, less than 1 cent.

;)

compared to ETH right now thats so cheap lmao

bonedaddy, yeah... that's more or less what i did. thanks for the explanation. is an eight hour lock to be expected from this?

wehnsdaefflae: locks should be limited to 20 minutes i think

well that's really strange then

unless you use lockedtransfer <address> <amount>

then you can set it for 10k blocks if you want

might be locked_transfer (i forget the actual command at the moment)

Mochi101 i wouldn't know how to do this but can i check if it is manually locked?

wehnsdaefflae, easiest way would go to a block explorer and put in the tx hash, then at the bottom will be an option to expand the info or more data or something... you can see in there

Mochi101 cool, i'll try that

in the block explorer it'll have an option "more details" then "Show JSON representation of tx" look in there for "unlock_time": 0,

if it's anything other than 0 then it was set purposefully.

wehnsdaefflae, are you using a local daemon or remote daemon?

Make sure your chain is fully synced too hey.

Mochi101 i'm using a local deamon. and yeah, i don't think it's fully synced. that lock after the first transaction just really threw me off

Letting it fully sync will likely solve most of your problems.

Mochi101 cool. thanks!

Mochi101 i tried it with a webwallet before and it didn't even show my balance.

I don't know anything about web wallets. :)

Mochi101 uh... also moneroblocks.info says it was a confidential transaction... there's no "more details" :(

use xmrchain.net

Mochi101 it says unlock time 0, so that's nice to know. thx

Within my monero wallet I have 2 accounts A and B. I need to send someone a payment of X coins, but each of these accounts holds less than X coins. But together they add up to more than X coins. My question: can I send the contents of account A to account B (by selecting account A, going to the send panel in the GUI, and inputting the address of account B, and sending the entire contents), so that all the coins are consolidated into

account B? Then I have enough to make the payment of X to my friend.

Yes.

If you have several outputs in A and you send them at once, an outside observer will be able to tell all these coins are very likely owned by one person.

If you then do the same with B, an outside observer will be able to tell all these coins are very likely owned by the same person.

moneromooo: what do you mean by several outputs?

More than one.

s/outputs/coins/

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: How do I generate a subaddress in the CLI wallet?

What about sweeping single outputs and sending those individually to the new wallet?

s/new wallet/second address

address new

So, ciphertrace...

what about them?

proof-of-pressrelease?

PoP

Hype I'd say. You put out a press release saying you can track the secret currency, the crypto outlets write "ciphertrace claims to be able to trace monero", customers hire you for boring standard jobs of tracing bitcoin, $$$

(If anyone asks questions, you claim your method of tracing Monero is a confidential trade secret)

guess we will find out once the first arrests are made based on xmr transactions

This video on the Monero Space channel on YouTube is an interview with the CEO of CipherTrace. Interesting to listen to. youtube.com/watch?v=w5rtd3md11g

it boils down to if they can apply some external data (e.g. mining pools, exchanges) with heuristics to probabilistically determine which ring members is the actual output being spent.

Which is basically what has been discussed in the community for years, has seen some mitigation and will see more in the future - and probably only works in some specific cases.

am i correct to assume that once trypich is active this analysis will become MUCH harder

Yes

Triptych, or one of the other candidates, is likely still 1-2 years out I'd wager - but absolutely

Though some edge cases will still exist

Especially if combined with off-chain data

yeah.. whatever happened to kovri?

will there be some alternative to obfuscating the network_

or is tor the way to go

you can run over tor or i2p today

anonimal kinda moved over to another project, which would be a layer above kovri.

and also remember that even if I told you my real spend, on-chain there is NO WAY for you to find out the amount spent, or the address it was sent to (or the address it came from)

and some hygiene with your outputs will also make it far FAR more difficult to apply their heuristics. We don't know how good those are, and they have not yet provided any compelling evidence that it is good at all.

alexanarcho[m]: You can also use i2p-zero

alexanarcho[m]: No. They'll arrest someone because they had extremely sloppy opsec procedures, then they will make vague mumblings about "Monero isn't as secure as people thought it was"

(see: Tor)

lol

what I don't understand is why Monero doesn't send transactions over UDP, if possible

then there's no need for a source IP

It's a very simple reason, which applies to so many things everywhere. Nobody did it.

don't a lot of isps and routers start rejecting your packets if you mess around like that?

asymptotically: Maybe, true. You'd want some sort of 'UDP spoof ping' to start off

Also, UDP would have sucked with 13 kB txes. Even current txes are more than the MTU.

How big are they right now?

Something like 2.5 kB I think.

I'm sort of curious why you couldn't just bundle Tor and connect to the node to send a tx. It won't be waterproof (it can still reasonably assume it's a peer or a peer's peer), but it should be much better

not as straightforward to do IP logging

I don't think we can't. Unless convincing reasons are given.

well, bundling tor is a bit big

Bigger than i2p ?

I mean, the gui ships with i2p IIRC

42M?

the GUI is not tiny, so you have a point there

Anyway, assuming you heard/assumed wrong with it being impossible, it's that old "nobody did it" again. It really does explain a lot of things everywhere.

probably much easier to bundle i2p

artefact: lower anonymity set

just beacuse the requirements for being a i2p node are much more relaxed than being a tor bridge

being a tor bridge will cause you problems also

tor is more centralised than you think- if the gurus don't want you to run a node, they will erase you from the list

But I don't think 1circuit/txn is gonna cause any severe load

If a client uses tor, it can reach any clearnet node. Not so for i2p.

Especially not if it uses hidden services

artefact: That only happens for serious misconduct

and the requirements (in terms of bandwidth and uptime) to be a bridge are too high for most people. afaik you can't have a reachable .onion address if you don't run a bridge

artefact: That's not true

You are probably thinking of a relay, not a bridge

yes

there's no requirement to run one, but it won't get much use if it's too bad/slow/unreliable

they're the same anyway, just advertised or not

but also, you don't need to run one to run an onion

in fact it's advised against

86k blocks to update. Bets on how long it takes....

Omg 15.03. Had to update that

Re: bundling Tor - static is about 3.5mb and suppose you could UPX it further

dsc_: UPX? come on man

strip it if you must

but UPX is just gauche

musl + only use the functions from libc

Rewrite in assembler.

exactly

dsc_: What do you mean "only use the functions from libc"?

strip it such that you only use stuff from libc that you need

ROP.

gotta hit em with the -ffunction-sections and then the -Wl,--gc-sections

and then get knocked out anyway because your binary is still yuge

I actually have no idea what I'm talking about so ill just quietly leave this conversation

write it in kkrunchified minified glsl ;-)

wen 64K monero daemon?

new monero CDN: www.pouet.net

revision 2021 seminar idea: "a blockchain in 64K"

tfw no amiga monero machine

tfw no 2nd reality in a smart contract

manifest: come to my house and play lemmings on my amiga with me <3

one day

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: We seriously need more wallets to support Monero

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: With an option to spend unconfirmed funds

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Because Monero is supposed to be cash after all

once i modified the wallet to spend unconfirmed funds and that is a bad idea(TM)

all these nice developers spending a lot of time figuring out how to make all of our transactions look the same and not stand out, and then we go change the rules :D

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Yeah but we need that feature for adoption

just hold more monero so that you can have it spread across more txos ;)

many inputs is also bad for other reasons

isn't the problem when you spend multiple of them at once? or is there something else

yeah

<kinglouie23> i need help

don't ask to ask

<kinglouie23> is there a support email i can email to?

just ask here

or post on the forum

<kinglouie23> i swtiched some btc on flyp.me yesterday and the transaction is confrmed on the blockchain already but my gui wallet is still showing a 0 balance

<kinglouie23> i know i didnt put in my wallet address wrong since it was copy and paste

<kinglouie23> but its been hours.. since last night and still a 0 balance

Check the wallet's refresh-from-block-height is set to some height lower than the tx's height.

Somewhere in the options I believe.

kinglouie23: does it say synchronized in the bottom left corner?

<kinglouie23> yes it says synchronized when i start it up.. but it does say disconnected and then connected every once in a while for the network status

<kinglouie23> what should i have the wallet restore height at

some height lower than the tx's height.

<kinglouie23> and thanks again guys for the help..

<kinglouie23> sorry kind of a noob at this.. how do i know the tx's height?

If it was higher, you'll need to rescan after setting it to some height lower than the tx's height.

Do you have its txid ?

<kinglouie23> oh yes i see what you mean now

Likely, since you said it was confirmed. Then, in monerod: print_tx THISTXID

It'll say "found in the chain at block X" or words to that effect.

<kinglouie23> so the one on my wallet has to be lower?

yes

but you also have to make sure that your wallet says synchronized in the bottom left corner, not disconnected

Tell us if it was higher.

Cause it shouldn't be really.

<kinglouie23> it says disonnected again

<kinglouie23> is there a reason it keeps disconnecting?

You'll likely see the reason if you set log level to 1.

kinglouie23: as a first step, can you go into Settings -> Info and say which wallet mode you have selected?

Simple mode or advanced mode?

<kinglouie23> advancedadvanced :

okay, then under Settings -> Node did you select local or remote node?

<kinglouie23> local

Is this on Windows?

<kinglouie23> yes

did you sync up the blockchain in the past?

<kinglouie23> dont think so

also did you make sure that your antivirus has an exception for monerod?

<kinglouie23> i have not

because it sounds like the gui wants to start the daemon and it gets killed by antivirus or so

<kinglouie23> oh okay.. how do i not let it do that

maybe this monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…ines-the-monero-gui-wallet-is-there

<kinglouie23> okay i will try and do that. it seems that is the issue becasue everytime it tries to sync it fails and says disconnected

wait, another method you can do

go to your monero-wallet-gui folder and open monerod.exe manually

then see if it stays open

<kinglouie23> okay ill try that.. that other method is a little complicated

<kinglouie23> sorry im having issues and thanks again for all your helpsorry im having issues and thanks again for all your help :

<kinglouie23> where do i go from here? im just a little lost on all this

no problem

so what happens when you open monerod.exe ? do you know where you can find it?

<kinglouie23> i cant find it

maybe anti virus deleted it?

anyway, you can optionally set a remote node if you can’t get this working with monerod

go to settings -> node and select remote node

<kinglouie23> ok

then enter e.g. address: node.xmr.to port: 18081

That'd be amazing. People being pushed into less secure stuff because of antivirus programs...

What a fail.

anti virus has deleted monerod in the past :/

<kinglouie23> ok so type that address where it says remote node right?ok so type that address where it says remote node right? :

<kinglouie23> yeah i know thank you so much again. im kinda new to all this stuff still

I feel more secure without surveillance antivirus scanning everything on my PC and sending samples "for analysis"

kinglouie23: enter node.xmr.to into address, 18081 into port

you can also search the internet for other remote nodes

<kinglouie23> okay is synching lets see how it goes

sech1: I often see people running multiple AV for "extra security" lol

<kinglouie23> thanks again so much lol.. you dont knw how much it means

report back if your funds show up

<kinglouie23> i will.. i should give it some time right? i did the transaction last night but i shouldnt expect anything automatically right?

yes, you have to wait until it is fully synched up

<kinglouie23> okay will do.. also i think earlier in the conversation it was mentioned that my wallet's height has to be lower than the one on the transaction? it changed and i think its higher now.. sorry if im not making sense

why does monerod have the antivirus problem?

ask antivirus companies, most likely because miner code is included

<kinglouie23> just making sure.. everythings lookinggood right?just making sure.. everythings lookinggood right? :

Various botnets embed a monero miner as payload. AV makers shoot from hte hip.

kinglouie23: wait until it is fully synched, if it does not show up report back

<kinglouie23> ok!

<kinglouie23> thanks again so much

<kinglouie23> is this saying the daemon couldnt connect?is this saying the daemon couldnt connect? :

does it still sync?

you can ignore the message if yes

<kinglouie23> it says wallet is synchronized and it stays like that

okay, no funds?

<kinglouie23> no not yet

okay, do you have your seed?

<kinglouie23> where can i find that?

Settings -> Wallet -> Show seed

write it down on paper, you need it to restore your wallet

<kinglouie23> ok yes i have it i had written it down

okay, click on the exit icon in the top left corner, then click on "Restore wallet from keys or seed"

<kinglouie23> ok

then enter a unique wallet name and enter the seed

inside wallet creation date enter a date that was before you first received any monero into this wallet, e.g. 2020-09-01 if you first received Monero this month.

<kinglouie23> okay so if i received money yestereday should i put in august 31st?

yes, you can enter 2020-08-31

<kinglouie23> ok! wallet is synching now

hope it shows up now

What was the previous value ?

<kinglouie23> yay:)

<kinglouie23> my funds are in

<kinglouie23> thank you soososoosososososso much

<kinglouie23> 🙂