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rojiro
who are the most famous nyms in the monero space? I am looking to network with folks who are taking a pseudoanonymous approach to contributing. thx in advance.
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dsc_
nyms?
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rojiro
dsc_: people who are contributing without being attached to their IRL identities.
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dsc_
doubt anyone will mention them ? :P
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rojiro
dsc_: well some devs are open about being nyms
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rojiro
i mean you have to be public to get any work done.
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rojiro
they are pseudo-anyonymous, not anonyous :)
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dsc_
I call myself dsc when I'm on a computer
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dsc_
:-)
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jwinterm
rojiro, most famously moneromooo
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jwinterm
he doesn't seem like much of a networker tho tbh
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rojiro
haha, no worries. I am just curious if there were people to reach out to, maybe a good channel for people who try to take op sec seriously
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rojiro
dsc_: yeah, in that sense we are all nyms to a certain degree
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dsc_
If your question is not directly related to Monero best to ask around in #monero-community
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rojiro
dsc_: thanks, i'll do that
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yanmaani
Does Monero support proof of balance schemes?
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endor00[m]
Iirc you can prove you have at least X monero (proof of reserve?), if that's what you mean
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yanmaani
Yeah, that
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alexanarcho[m]
could be very nice to prove i m liquid enough to pay the rent for the coming month or something
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alexanarcho[m]
can this proof be done with cli or gui?
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dEBRUYNE
yanmaani: As far as I know, it does
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dEBRUYNE
Feature only available in CLI though
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niocbrrrrrr
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fluffypony
had to repost it coz Reddit's spam filter didn't like me adding in a link to the Leaseweb abuse form:
reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/id9sg7…se_the_fake_mymonero_android_app_or
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YellowOnion
Can anyone explain why someone would pay 0.026M in fees?
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sethsimmons
Link to the transaction?
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YellowOnion
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sethsimmons
Fee (per_kB): 0.026395220000 (0.015227439594)
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sethsimmons
Chose a strange (and very high) fee per kB
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lithiumpt
maybe a custom wallet
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YellowOnion
I feel sorry for the guy using that wallet if so.
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sethsimmons
its certainly not an absurd fee (like happened in Ethereum a few weeks ago), but still waaaaay above whats required.
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YellowOnion
I wonder if this kind of thing is a threat to privacy.
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sethsimmons
It definitely is, allows wallet fingerprinting/user fingerprinting, and can reduce overall privacy
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sethsimmons
For instance if this wallet software always uses this fee per kB, it would clearly standout on-chain
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mmxxx[m]
still much better than btc tx fees...
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YellowOnion
Fees are quantized through right?
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sethsimmons
This is exactly why all wallets should use a similar fee calculation
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sethsimmons
Fee fingerprinting exists across all chains FWIW
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sethsimmons
Especially Ethereum, where fees are set by the user manually in almost all wallets
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sethsimmons
<YellowOnion "Fees are quantized through right"> What do you mean by "quantized"?
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lithiumpt
technically fees are arbitrary
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lithiumpt
it just so happens the official wallets use 3 (4?) different fees multipliers
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lithiumpt
but anyone can build a custom wallet with custom fees
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YellowOnion
sethsimmons, ^ that is what I'm talking about...
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sethsimmons
True, so other wallets should use the same multipliers to avoid wallet fingerprinting via fees
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sethsimmons
They're not set by the protocol
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YellowOnion
why can't it be enforced by the protocol?
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sethsimmons
In theory I think a base fee + multiple could be required
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sethsimmons
But would have to be calculated and stored in each block by miners
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sethsimmons
And then you have potential gaming of fees by markets
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raecarruth
'potential' :p
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raecarruth
talk about diplomatic
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sethsimmons
<sethsimmons "And then you have potential gami"> Meant "miners" here
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YellowOnion
Seems reasonably to have guardrails of sorts, if blocks aren't full no reason to be paying such excessive prices.
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sethsimmons
You could add it to daemons to block excessively high fees (as geth just did)
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sethsimmons
s/block/reject
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YellowOnion
What do you mean game fees?
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endor00[m]
<sethsimmons "You could add it to daemons to b"> But that wouldn't really solve anything. Unless you enforce fees at the protocol level, anyone could write a custom version of the software and choose their own fees
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sethsimmons
That just solves people accidentally sending a massive fee, different issue :)
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sethsimmons
<YellowOnion "What do you mean game fees?"> Miners could try to alter the fee values stored in blocks to give themselves more profit via higher base fee
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artefact
yep, but you can probably come up with a fee schedule that avoids gaming issues for miners
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YellowOnion
wait to blocks set fees?
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sethsimmons
No
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sethsimmons
I was just proposing an idea that included that above
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artefact
no, the tx fee is determined by network consensus. like the current max block size
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sethsimmons
Fees are completely up to the wallet atm
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sethsimmons
<artefact "no, the tx fee is determined by "> No, TX fee is not decided by the network at all
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artefact
i meant, would be
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sethsimmons
Ah, yes, in my "proposal" :)
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artefact
yeah
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sethsimmons
Something like
eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-1559 for calculating base fee, and then allowing set multiples
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artefact
which i think is a good idea- but needs to be carefully done. i'm all for enforcing anonymity
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sethsimmons
For sure, and I know this has been considered before by devs/MRL
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sethsimmons
But not sure what the summary was
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xmrmatterbridge
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artefact
thanks for the link
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YellowOnion
That explains it I see.
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artefact
interesting how fees have gone down over time
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sethsimmons
Bulletproofs plus other reductions in tx size :)
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sethsimmons
We'll see another 20-25% drop in fees after the hardfork in October
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YellowOnion
it seem to me that increments shouldn't scale linearly with fee price.
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artefact
what?
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sethsimmons
<callsign123[m] "
monero.stackexchange.com"> Have you tried a different remote node?
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sethsimmons
Is your wallet synced?
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YellowOnion
low fees means small blocks, and low anonymity set, while high fees implies high anonymity set, you can increase the granularity to stop gaming.
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sethsimmons
Is your wallet fully synced with either remote node?
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sethsimmons
Does the block number at the bottom left match what you see as the latest block on xmrchain.net etc?
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sethsimmons
Current block is 2168592
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Febo
little transactions means small blocks, and low anonymity set. low fees means just that people can transact cheap.
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artefact
oh, you mean little as in, few.
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Febo
yes. little, few, less. we need more transaction. low fee should sort of help with getting more transactions.
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artefact
yeah. although fees are already ridiculously low compared to eg, xbt
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sethsimmons
What do you mean there isnt a node option?
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sethsimmons
Eh lets move this to DM callsign123
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yanmaani
dEBRUYNE: How does it work? Have a link?
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YellowOnion
wait why can't I see callsign123's comments...
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niocbrrrrrr
I can't either
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sethsimmons
Its probably the same issue I had
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sethsimmons
callsign123: try changing your nick by messaging @appservice-irc:matrix.org
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sethsimmons
Then do !nick {preferred nick}
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nuez[m]
Does anyone have a working systemd unit file for `monerod` by any chance?
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moneromooo
Yes, in contrib/systemd IIRC.
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nuez[m]
* Does anyone have a working Linux systemd unit file for `monerod` by any chance?
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sethsimmons
Yes just a sec
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sethsimmons
Yeah there too
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sethsimmons
Let me know if that doesn't work/isn't helpful
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nuez[m]
Yeah, went inside the `monero-project/monero` GitHub tree and couldn't find systemd under the contrib directory
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nuez[m]
Nor under `monero-project/monero-gui`
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sethsimmons
That should be a good start
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asymptotically
nuez[m]: it's in tools
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sethsimmons
Would want to set your own flags under ExecStart or set a config file.
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nuez[m]
It's under utils/systemd 👍️
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nuez[m]
On the regular monero repo. Thanks, guys!
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asymptotically
sethsimmons: any reason to prefer Type=forking and --detach over Type=simple?
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sethsimmons
Not particularly, thats just a mashup I threw together from another systemd script that worked :P
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sethsimmons
Haven't put much thought into it and haven't had any issues
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artefact
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sethsimmons
Much fancier :D
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nuez[m]
Far more customized, I like it
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nuez[m]
But I personally never need to specify a config file for `monerod`. Strange, but let me see if there's a default file it's automatically pointing to at runtime
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nuez[m]
Yeah, I just have `monero-core.conf`
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artefact
also for some reason, my randomx umask says no to huge pages, but it still tries to allocate them anyway, fails, and spams the log with stack traces
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nuez[m]
* Yeah, I just have `monero-core.conf`, which I'm assuming is for `monero-wallet-cli`
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nuez[m]
* Yeah, I just have `monero-core.conf`, which I'm assuming is for `monero-wallet-cli` and `monero-wallet-gui`
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artefact
it's harmless but a little annoying
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asymptotically
artefact: i broke the default log rotation and ended up with gigabytes of logs from that :P
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nuez[m]
Jeez, with all of this in mind, how can I expect my grandparents to use crypto lol
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fahrradflucht[m]
Guys you don't mess with manual users, systemd's dynamic user feature is the real deal (my unit
bin.idrix.fr/?ac5ee6f6dba5f8d8#3DfX…JVnBNbeqWs5FzyEguuf1iETHiFDnD7bfQDU)
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artefact
>when your pastebin requires fucking webassembly
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artefact
no, thanks
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asymptotically
fahrradflucht[m]: which user would own the database files?
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asymptotically
or does it fix it on startup with the statedirectory=?
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fahrradflucht[m]
it requires web assembly? :-D noice. that crypto must be mindblowing
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Inge-
nuez[m]: Monerujo or cake wallet on their phone?
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fahrradflucht[m]
asymptotically: yeah it fixes it on startup
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fahrradflucht[m]
asymptotically: If you want to dig deep, somewhere in this nearly 2 hour talk Lennart Poettering explains quite detailed how it works ;-)
youtube.com/watch?v=_obJr3a_2G8
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asymptotically
cool i didn't know of this feature, think i'll read his blog post instead c:
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dEBRUYNE
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papa_lazzarou
huh, is this thing on?
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dEBRUYNE
Arrives here :)
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papa_lazzarou
hey hey dEBRUYNE !
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artefact
interesting hostname