03:54:44 <rojiro> who are the most famous nyms in the monero space? I am looking to network with folks who are taking a pseudoanonymous approach to contributing. thx in advance.
03:56:29 <dsc_> nyms?
03:57:14 <rojiro> dsc_: people who are contributing without being attached to their IRL identities.
03:58:06 <dsc_> doubt anyone will mention them ? :P
03:59:03 <rojiro> dsc_: well some devs are open about being nyms
03:59:23 <rojiro> i mean you have to be public to get any work done.
03:59:54 <rojiro> they are pseudo-anyonymous, not anonyous :)
04:00:13 <dsc_> I call myself dsc when I'm on a computer
04:00:20 <dsc_> :-)
04:00:32 <jwinterm> rojiro, most famously moneromooo
04:00:51 <jwinterm> he doesn't seem like much of a networker tho tbh
04:01:34 <rojiro> haha, no worries. I am just curious if there were people to reach out to, maybe a good channel for people who try to take op sec seriously
04:02:38 <rojiro> dsc_: yeah, in that sense we are all nyms to a certain degree
04:02:52 <dsc_> If your question is not directly related to Monero best to ask around in #monero-community
04:03:12 <rojiro> dsc_: thanks, i'll do that
10:48:14 <yanmaani> Does Monero support proof of balance schemes?
10:52:45 <endor00[m]> Iirc you can prove you have at least X monero (proof of reserve?), if that's what you mean
10:52:55 <yanmaani> Yeah, that
10:53:28 <alexanarcho[m]> could be very nice to prove i m liquid enough to pay the rent for the coming month or something
10:53:47 <alexanarcho[m]> can this proof be done with cli or gui?
12:35:30 <dEBRUYNE> yanmaani: As far as I know, it does
12:35:43 <dEBRUYNE> Feature only available in CLI though
12:41:57 <niocbrrrrrr> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/id97ev/psa_do_not_use_the_fake_mymonero_android_app_or/
13:06:06 <fluffypony> had to repost it coz Reddit's spam filter didn't like me adding in a link to the Leaseweb abuse form: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/id9sg7/psa_do_not_use_the_fake_mymonero_android_app_or/
13:35:49 <YellowOnion> Can anyone explain why someone would pay 0.026M in fees?
13:36:03 <sethsimmons> Link to the transaction?
13:36:06 <YellowOnion> https://xmrchain.net/tx/4e2d284bddbdb45989d71304c2a46201eefa1877c3d05840bb5aa8fa7d014156
13:37:08 <sethsimmons> Fee (per_kB): 0.026395220000 (0.015227439594)
13:37:16 <sethsimmons> Chose a strange (and very high) fee per kB
13:38:30 <lithiumpt> maybe a custom wallet
13:39:25 <YellowOnion> I feel sorry for the guy using that wallet if so.
13:40:17 <sethsimmons> its certainly not an absurd fee (like happened in Ethereum a few weeks ago), but still waaaaay above whats required.
13:42:15 <YellowOnion> I wonder if this kind of thing is a threat to privacy.
13:43:18 <sethsimmons> It definitely is, allows wallet fingerprinting/user fingerprinting, and can reduce overall privacy
13:43:34 <sethsimmons> For instance if this wallet software always uses this fee per kB, it would clearly standout on-chain
13:44:12 <mmxxx[m]> still much better than btc tx fees...
13:44:20 <YellowOnion> Fees are quantized through right?
13:44:22 <sethsimmons> This is exactly why all wallets should use a similar fee calculation
13:44:30 <sethsimmons> Fee fingerprinting exists across all chains FWIW
13:44:48 <sethsimmons> Especially Ethereum, where fees are set by the user manually in almost all wallets
13:45:06 <sethsimmons> <YellowOnion "Fees are quantized through right"> What do you mean by "quantized"?
13:45:14 <lithiumpt> technically fees are arbitrary
13:45:55 <lithiumpt> it just so happens the official wallets use 3 (4?) different fees multipliers
13:46:12 <lithiumpt> but anyone can build a custom wallet with custom fees
13:46:16 <YellowOnion> sethsimmons, ^ that is what I'm talking about...
13:46:18 <sethsimmons> True, so other wallets should use the same multipliers to avoid wallet fingerprinting via fees
13:46:24 <sethsimmons> They're not set by the protocol
13:46:33 <YellowOnion> why can't it be enforced by the protocol?
13:46:52 <sethsimmons> In theory I think a base fee + multiple could be required
13:47:04 <sethsimmons> But would have to be calculated and stored in each block by miners
13:47:13 <sethsimmons> And then you have potential gaming of fees by markets
13:47:58 <raecarruth> 'potential' :p
13:48:03 <raecarruth> talk about diplomatic
13:48:20 <sethsimmons> <sethsimmons "And then you have potential gami"> Meant "miners" here
13:48:51 <YellowOnion> Seems reasonably to have guardrails of sorts, if blocks aren't full no reason to be paying such excessive prices.
13:49:16 <sethsimmons> You could add it to daemons to block excessively high fees (as geth just did)
13:49:26 <sethsimmons> s/block/reject
13:52:19 <YellowOnion> What do you mean game fees?
13:52:27 <endor00[m]> <sethsimmons "You could add it to daemons to b"> But that wouldn't really solve anything. Unless you enforce fees at the protocol level, anyone could write a custom version of the software and choose their own fees
13:53:15 <sethsimmons> That just solves people accidentally sending a massive fee, different issue :)
13:53:44 <sethsimmons> <YellowOnion "What do you mean game fees?"> Miners could try to alter the fee values stored in blocks to give themselves more profit via higher base fee
13:54:51 <artefact> yep, but you can probably come up with a fee schedule that avoids gaming issues for miners
13:54:56 <YellowOnion> wait to blocks set fees?
13:55:05 <sethsimmons> No
13:55:14 <sethsimmons> I was just proposing an idea that included that above
13:55:14 <artefact> no, the tx fee is determined by network consensus. like the current max block size
13:55:20 <sethsimmons> Fees are completely up to the wallet atm
13:55:34 <sethsimmons> <artefact "no, the tx fee is determined by "> No, TX fee is not decided by the network at all
13:55:39 <artefact> i meant, would be
13:55:52 <sethsimmons> Ah, yes, in my "proposal" :)
13:55:57 <artefact> yeah
13:56:03 <sethsimmons> Something like https://eips.ethereum.org/EIPS/eip-1559 for calculating base fee, and then allowing set multiples
13:56:24 <artefact> which i think is a good idea- but needs to be carefully done. i'm all for enforcing anonymity
13:56:50 <sethsimmons> For sure, and I know this has been considered before by devs/MRL
13:56:54 <sethsimmons> But not sure what the summary was
14:01:42 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/5711
14:07:04 <artefact> thanks for the link
14:07:08 <YellowOnion> That explains it I see.
14:08:19 <artefact> interesting how fees have gone down over time
14:08:52 <sethsimmons> Bulletproofs plus other reductions in tx size :)
14:09:23 <sethsimmons> We'll see another 20-25% drop in fees after the hardfork in October
14:09:47 <YellowOnion> it seem to me that increments shouldn't scale linearly with fee price.
14:11:19 <artefact> what?
14:11:34 <sethsimmons> <callsign123[m] "https://monero.stackexchange.com"> Have you tried a different remote node?
14:11:39 <sethsimmons> Is your wallet synced?
14:12:41 <YellowOnion> low fees means small blocks, and low anonymity set, while high fees implies high anonymity set, you can increase the granularity to stop gaming.
14:13:08 <sethsimmons> Is your wallet fully synced with either remote node?
14:13:24 <sethsimmons> Does the block number at the bottom left match what you see as the latest block on xmrchain.net etc?
14:13:59 <sethsimmons> Current block is 2168592
14:14:47 <Febo> little transactions means small blocks, and low anonymity set. low fees means just that people can transact cheap.
14:15:56 <artefact> oh, you mean little as in, few.
14:16:54 <Febo> yes. little, few, less. we need more transaction. low fee should sort of help with getting more transactions.
14:18:51 <artefact> yeah. although fees are already ridiculously low compared to eg, xbt
14:19:05 <sethsimmons> What do you mean there isnt a node option?
14:19:08 <sethsimmons> Eh lets move this to DM callsign123
14:19:39 <yanmaani> dEBRUYNE: How does it work? Have a link?
14:25:07 <YellowOnion> wait why can't I see callsign123's comments...
14:56:28 <niocbrrrrrr> I can't either
15:00:32 <sethsimmons> Its probably the same issue I had
15:00:58 <sethsimmons> callsign123: try changing your nick by messaging @appservice-irc:matrix.org
15:01:18 <sethsimmons> Then do !nick {preferred nick}
16:53:05 <nuez[m]> Does anyone have a working systemd unit file for `monerod` by any chance?
16:53:19 <moneromooo> Yes, in contrib/systemd IIRC.
16:53:20 <nuez[m]>  * Does anyone have a working Linux systemd unit file for `monerod` by any chance?
16:53:22 <sethsimmons> Yes just a sec
16:53:53 <sethsimmons> Yeah there too
16:53:59 <sethsimmons> Let me know if that doesn't work/isn't helpful
16:56:25 <nuez[m]> Yeah, went inside the `monero-project/monero` GitHub tree and couldn't find systemd under the contrib directory
16:56:46 <nuez[m]> Nor under `monero-project/monero-gui`
16:56:59 * sethsimmons sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ldSeNizmeMqzjrIcQlWMHzyI/message.txt >
16:57:04 <sethsimmons> That should be a good start
16:57:10 <asymptotically> nuez[m]: it's in tools
16:57:19 <sethsimmons> Would want to set your own flags under ExecStart or set a config file.
16:57:26 <nuez[m]> It's under utils/systemd 👍️
16:57:41 <nuez[m]> On the regular monero repo. Thanks, guys!
16:58:30 <asymptotically> sethsimmons: any reason to prefer Type=forking and --detach over Type=simple?
16:59:20 <sethsimmons> Not particularly, thats just a mashup I threw together from another systemd script that worked :P
16:59:24 <sethsimmons> Haven't put much thought into it and haven't had any issues
17:00:04 <artefact> https://paste.debian.net/plainh/c49e3560 here's mine. tweak as needed
17:00:49 <sethsimmons> Much fancier :D
17:01:27 <nuez[m]> Far more customized, I like it
17:02:28 <nuez[m]> But I personally never need to specify a config file for `monerod`. Strange, but let me see if there's a default file it's automatically pointing to at runtime
17:03:11 <nuez[m]> Yeah, I just have `monero-core.conf`
17:03:27 <artefact> also for some reason, my randomx umask says no to huge pages, but it still tries to allocate them anyway, fails, and spams the log with stack traces
17:03:32 <nuez[m]>  * Yeah, I just have `monero-core.conf`, which I'm assuming is for `monero-wallet-cli`
17:03:44 <nuez[m]>  * Yeah, I just have `monero-core.conf`, which I'm assuming is for `monero-wallet-cli` and `monero-wallet-gui`
17:04:04 <artefact> it's harmless but a little annoying
17:05:12 <asymptotically> artefact: i broke the default log rotation and ended up with gigabytes of logs from that :P
17:07:16 <nuez[m]> Jeez, with all of this in mind, how can I expect my grandparents to use crypto lol
17:08:48 <fahrradflucht[m]> Guys you don't mess with manual users, systemd's dynamic user feature is the real deal (my unit https://bin.idrix.fr/?ac5ee6f6dba5f8d8#3DfXDkMFSJVnBNbeqWs5FzyEguuf1iETHiFDnD7bfQDU)
17:09:42 <artefact> >when your pastebin requires fucking webassembly
17:09:44 <artefact> no, thanks
17:10:38 <asymptotically> fahrradflucht[m]: which user would own the database files?
17:10:48 <asymptotically> or does it fix it on startup with the statedirectory=?
17:10:51 <fahrradflucht[m]> it requires web assembly? :-D noice. that crypto must be mindblowing
17:11:05 <Inge-> nuez[m]: Monerujo or cake wallet on their phone?
17:11:11 <fahrradflucht[m]> asymptotically: yeah it fixes it on startup
17:12:44 <fahrradflucht[m]> asymptotically: If you want to dig deep, somewhere in this nearly 2 hour talk Lennart Poettering explains quite detailed how it works ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_obJr3a_2G8
17:13:03 <asymptotically> cool i didn't know of this feature, think i'll read his blog post instead c:
19:40:19 <dEBRUYNE> yanmaani: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/9991/how-does-the-get-reserve-proof-command-work
20:46:40 <papa_lazzarou> huh, is this thing on?
20:47:22 <dEBRUYNE> Arrives here :)
20:47:44 <papa_lazzarou> hey hey dEBRUYNE !
20:54:29 <artefact> interesting hostname