When you say "I forgot you could do this", by that do you mean that the set_tx_key functionality didn't have any unit testing or what (you develop the wallet right)?

Not sure if it would make a difference, but the transaction was a sweep_single to an external address

I meant I forgot there was a command to do this.

I don't think I wrote it.

Just to make sure (maybe my computer generated a garbage "random" number and showed me a different one for some reason) I tried with the obviously garbage value and it shows the same error; Error: Failed to store tx key: Given tx secret key doesn't agree with the tx public key in the blockchain

You said above it had 00..01.

0100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Are you calling that garbage or did you get somehting else elsewhere ?

I got something else from the computer that signed the transaction; that is the garbage value that my watch-only wallet claims is the tx key for some strange reason

It's not garbage. It's the expected value.

I have other transfers going out and they say "Error: no tx keys found for this txid"

Perhaps because I restored the wallet later from keys

I've tried set_tx_key here with a correct and incorrect tx key, works ok. The wrong one is rejected with the message you had, the right one is accepted.

Are you sure it's the right secret key for the right txid ?

Yes, I copied it from the result of get_tx_key [txid]

Although that wallet was on a live OS boot and cannot now be revived sadly

I guess it doesn't *really* matter; the transfer was acknowledged as received. I mainly wanted to learn about how this part of backing up a monero wallet works I guess

moneromooo I just tried with xmrchain.net's tool; it shows my transaction key as the correct private transaction key, and shows the correct amount

So i'm not surer why I'm getting the error in the CLI wallet

Dunno. The code doesn't seem to have an obvious bug.

You could try this: paste.debian.net/hidden/d6d82d4e

And see if it outputs the values you expect.

If one of them isn't, it gives a clue to what's wrong.

Try what?

It is on a windows machine

Applying that patch and running set_tx_key again.

I'll try it if it's in the next build I guess

I've never tried building from source and i'm not really clear on how to do it

Save the patch as /tmp/patch; git clone github.com/monero-project/monero; cd monero; patch -p1 < /tmp/patch; make

If it complains about missing libs, see the README for what you need.

Perhaps I will try to replicate in stagenet/testnet and raise an issue instead for someone who knows their way around github, has it installed and so on

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sorry, first time using IRC

anyone here?

guys, I used MorphToken to change BTC to XMR, this was like 5 days ago and still I haven't received my XMRs. Address was fine and generally everything should be fine. I contancted their support and they said on their side everything was fine and I should contact my "wallet provider"

Any tips on what should I do now?

djm_: perhaps it's a scanning issue, if your wallet didn't scan for the new outputs

rescanning wallet balance does nothing sadly

djm_: did you scan from before the transaction?

I think I might

what wallet are you using?

monero wallet gui

local node

so your own node

yeah

Should I change to remote node and that will help?

the amount of BTC was quite significant so I'm a bit unhappy about the fact that I did not receive the XMRs

it shouldn't as long as you are sure that the daemon is runing

I use the CLI not GUI but I believe that you can set a tx height to scan from

yeah, what status does your daemon say?

bottom left

synchronised

whats the block height?

2156168

is that the wallet or daemon? I believe there is one for each

is it still that way gingeropolous

uhhh to be honest I don't know what to answer to that

i dunno im downloding the gui to run it

maybe I should download CLI then and see there

djm_: have you used the wallet for other txs?

u on windows or ?

mac

lets just stick with the gui for now

i have no idea where the files are put for mac etc

@niocbrrrrrr no, my first transaction

hrm, well 2156167 is the current height

2156169

so u should be seein it

gingeropolous: I just paged dsc from another channel, mebbe he is around, I know he has a mac

djm_, if u know how to get around the CLI, I'd try that. Perhaps the GUI and the CLI both put the blockchain in the same spot

think he is keeping regular hrs now so may be asleep

you'll find out if you launch the CLI daemon and its start sync from scratch or not

you have to shut down the GUI though before you start the CLI

djm_: I've had a similar issue with the XMR GUI wallet, I fixed it by switching the wallet into advanced mode

for some reason after doing so the daemon started for me when it would not do so previously

so I DLed CLI

it's asking for wallet file name

I type the name that I have in GUI

and it's says it's not found

honestly id just restore from seed

djm do you have a viewkey?

what would be that? :D

I have the mnemonic seed

i have restore height

you should also have a viewkey for your wallet as well

if you have the wallet loaded in the gui

you can find it in the settings section

use that viewkey then go to monero blockchain explorer or my monero

and use that to see if your monero arrived in your wallet

dont need to use daemon and it'll pput ur mind at ease

until u can figure out the wallet

okay I created the viewkey in options

awesome

ah, he almost had it cismee

those should be able to check wallet via viewkey

lovely, let me see

u are not putting wallet at risk by using viewkey either no one can use it to access wallet

its view only

in mymonero should I log into my wallet?

with mnemonic?

no

well u can but there's a charge. or there used to be.

mymonero doesn't have a viewkey scanner

and where is the viewkey scanner on moneroblocks.info cismee ?

im not quite sure i just assumed as i had used it before

if you have the txid you can just use that on any explorer

^

here are instructions to recreate your wallet from mnemonic seed getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_account.html

id still just use the CLI and restore from seed using your own node if you can

according to moneroblocks.info

djm_: xmr.llcoins.net/checktx.html

I checked the tx

if you have tx and viewkey u should see it there

id also subtract 1k or 2k from the restore height just in case

it's asking for electrum seed

why?

what should I type ther

djm_: that website does not ask for seed

but I'm at the CLI

in the terminal

oh

with --restore-deterministric blabl

i have not used CLI wallet in a looong time

Okay I restored on GUI

let's see

seed is the 25 words you wrote down when you created the wallet

you downloaded 0.16.0.1 ?

OMG IT WORKED

good luk sir :D

onice!

<3 <3 <3

love you guys

now all u gotta do is wait for moon

that will be

.soon

lol

hahahahha

sir you saved my day

thank you so much

djm_: yeah your monero is usually not lost (like never) and morphtoken is ok

^

Great to know

amazing stuff

djm_: if ud like to purchase arts with them xmrs shop.cartysewill.com :D

(shameless plug)

I'll definitely take a look :D

enjoy dude

cheers mate! I can happily go to sleep now

take care!

sweet dreams

stick around and idle if u like the community we also got #monero-markets and #monero-pools

I'll definitely stick around

pools? lolol

:P

also #monero-community

rofl

why am i not in that chan?

joined

djm_: there is also tradeogre exchange which is small but non kyc

he gone

but yeah niocbrrrrr that is where i buy my xmr now lol

well look at that :)

tradeogre is chill i been buying eth there too lol

sometimes u get a discount even

you say stick around and he leaves

im not the best salesman for #monero apparently

maybe he did not know what idle means

niocbrrrrr: u notice a lot of peeps joining in diff channels asking for help?

bull confirmed?

lol

seems like its happening a lot lately

Nobody needs to be a salesman for Monero. It’s been around 6 years and works for what it was created for.

Monero has Nothing to hide other than your transactions lol

Marketing bit right there TM

i wasnt trying be a salesman for monero

was being saleman for idling in chat

\community

dude already bot monero lol

regardless it was a facetious comment

I c

I don’t know why there is so much marketing of monero

people just trying to shill their bags

Question: Why is it so expensive to buy btc on bisq?

bigslim[m]> Nobody needs to be a salesman for Monero -- surely raising awareness and writing newbie-friendly materials can't hurt

Im new to bisq but as i am looking at all the offers alot of them are really expensive compared to what the btc price is at on a normal exchange

I really want to stay of regular exchanges and use bisq from now on, hopefully someone can chime in thanks ;)

* I really want to stay off regular exchanges and use bisq from now on, hopefully someone can chime in thanks ;)

ghost_matrix[m]: are you buying or selling crypto?

both but i dont want to buy my btc on regular exchanges anymore

from what i've heard it's normal for offers in bisq to take hours if not a day or too to be picked up

don't let that discourage you

just put your offer in there, leave the program running. someone will take the bait

too=two

ok that makes sense, just curios why people jack up the price so much?

Unless you buy a big amount

it get cheaper

* it get cheaper s

privacy premium ? compensating for added risk of p2p ? dunno, everyone must have their reasons

* it gets cheaper

i check the markets page (some subdomain of bisq.io iirc) now and then and at times there are also many offers at 0% difference

now the price is going a bit wild, so it makes sense to charge a premium to compensate for fluctuations too

ok i will have a look at that, i still fairly new to this so i will do further research.

* ok i will have a look at that, im still fairly new to this so i will do further research.

sure. and if it works out for you, don't forget to tell a friend :)

as legit viral as it can be

heh

I heard its not good practice to load btc that you purchased for a regular exchange into bisq wallet is this true?

BTC on Bisq is priced as if it is basically guaranteed to be dirty according to chain analytics,

<ghost_matrix[m] "I really want to stay of regular"> Have you tried openbazaar?

what if i i load monero into bisq and then buy btc and other alts with that?

ghost_matrix[m]: not sure how deep into monero you are, but by the tone of the question I'll assume you're still exploring

* what if i load monero into bisq and then buy btc and other alts with that?

personally, i would never trade known-good monero for almost-certainly-tainted btc

<kayront "ghost_matrix: not sure how deep "> Yes :)

the problem with bitcoin and 99% of other cryptos, is that they're completely transparent. and using bisq leaves certain easy-to-follow clues on-chain

maybe at like a 50% discount or something

combine that with the fact that exchanges use chain analytics, and they WILL know you are depositing into bisq

is that a problem for them now? maybe, maybe not. but when and if it becomes a problem, they tick a few boxes in their dashboard and get a list of everyone who's been depositing to bis

q

and then maybe you have problems or you don't

^

that's pretty much the essence of why monero exists, we don't want this pervasive, rewindable surveillance of our lives

have you looked at localmonero.co? it's pretty thin, but maybe you're lucky and there's liquidity in your area

all this to say, ghost_matrix[m], that bitcoin is fundamentally flawed without privacy. so you are right to worry about it (already a step ahead of most people)

it's a dilemma. maybe yout hink: fine, I'll mix my coins before depositing to bisq! well, same logic applies, and with mixing it will definitely raise alarms faster than using bisq. after all, as we all now (/s), only criminals need or want privacy

I laugh at people that think cash shuffle or coinjoin or whatever gets them good privacy

<kayront "all this to say, ghost_matrix, t"> Understood yes this is why i really respect monero and what it stands for.

so to trade on bisq could i just use monero instead?

and the really worrying thing is that governments have grown used to having this kind of power, and now any attempts at remaining anonymous and private are automatically suspicious

And use that to buy other coins more securely

yes, that would be much better. but as bisq exists today, you must use BTC if you wish to purchase fiat

so you could go XMR -> bisq -> XMR->BTC -> fiat

the BTC you get from selling XMR on bisq, as ndorf implied, will almost certainly be tainted though

I'm not sure anyone would want their bank account transactions connected to Bisq activity either really

there was some talk last year about making monero a base currency in bisq, but then later i think people were saying the concept of base currency was going away soon™, and frankly i haven't followed it much recently so i dunno where it's at

Adreik, that's the other side of the surveillance coin

<kayront "so you could go XMR -> bisq -> X"> Ok this makes more sense! because what if someone was to get paid in bitcoin for freelance work but wants to cash out to fiat? how is one supposed to do this?

at some point you want to use fiat because in most places you can't do crypto yet

what are the options?

cex or dex or in-person cash

ghost_matrix[m]: first, they should probably be getting paid in XMR ;)

but to answer your question, there's visa/mastercard options too (needs KYC however) like bitsacard.com (not a customer, can't rate)

then centralized exchanges, then decentralized, then back to mcdonalds with a money-verifying machine in your pocket and probably a small knife just to be sure (true story)

What if i was to sell on bisq though is that not the same concept as cex or dex?

and last of all, you could just USE the crypto as it is.. the options are limited, but growing every day

<kayront "then centralized exchanges, then"> This made me laugh !

<ghost_matrix[m]> What if i was to sell on bisq though is that not the same concept as cex or dex? --> bisq *is* a dex

oh lol

you don't do KYC, but imagine your trading partner is some sort of shady drug dealer character ... all bank transactions are recorded forever

2 years from now guy gets caught, they go through his accounts

i thought it was a platform sorry ahahah

guess who they find there? good old ghost_matrix[m]

it's a risk.

I see! ok its all coming together!

that's the beauty (/s) of the surveillance system, you just never know when they're trolling through your life and preparing a frontal assault on your backdoor (heh)

Are bank transfers really recorded forever? I can't get statements going back more than 7 years (tax office audit timeframe limit)

Because they still have to pay you into your actuall bank account and vice versa

But same principle regardless, yes

i don't know for sure Adreik, and i'm sure there are laws that limit in theory, but then again there were laws that limited mass-surveillance too and look where we are

correct ghost_matrix[m]

the bisq vision is much closer to the original ideals of cryptocurrency though, that's for sure. you're just trading, does there really have to be a middle-man ? but because of the whole surrounding financial mass-surveillance system, doing so comes with some extra risks

So what would be the best way in your opinion if someone was to get paid in bitcoin for freelance work to be able to get your hard earned profit into fiat?

no option is ideal today

Demand bitcoin through a centralised service like coinbase's merchant thingy. Then sell and buy however much XMR :)

out of principle i would go with bisq and accept the added risk, freedom does come at a price

and if they bother you, at some point you have to fight back and stop letting them push you around

hiding forever doesn't work

but consider that you can buy plane tickets, hotels, amazon giftcards, and many other things with monero (indirectly in most cases through xmr.to)

so maybe you don't *need* to convert ?

Open bazaar is also an option for btc to xmr

A better option than bisq, in my experience

what makes it a better experience mmxxx[m] ? never really got into OB myself

<kayront "what makes it a better experienc"> Quicker, more responsive sellers. More flexible selllers

No added 'fees'

by the way, everyone

i don't have time today, and i'm waiting on feedback from some key members of the community to get their interpretation about the following, but in the mean time, something that interests us all, and has not been widely reported in the crypto media

coincenter.org/do-anti-encryption-b…gress-pose-a-risk-to-cryptocurrency -- check the last section

i'd like to do an article about it

I think no, because you can have the computer that hosts the code anywhere

I saw a youtube video youtube.com/watch?v=kYm6gqtsses

What is meant by an "unhosted wallet" in that context?

May I know the contribution of Thayer & Adam on Monero?

anything that's not an exchange/bank wallet

anything they can't put under surveillance

if you transfer exchange to exchange, soon™ if not already (depends on country atm) the travel rule applies and the destination exchange can tell your funds are coming from another exchange/bank-that-custodies-crypto, and you're in the matrix, your life is rewindable, so no problem

if you transfer from an unknown wallet though, they are proposing to outright ban that

or bullying the exchange into losing their license and thus their business

it's not clear if they're looking to go as far as banning merchants from accepting it, but if you think about it if they're willing to go this far, then pontificating about that is but a small step (imo)

Is Monero moving towards quantum security?

i've been thinking about this, and i think a big part of the problem could be that governments have these global fancy groups, the laws come top-down, and by the time they get to your country where you could ostensibly vote out politicians who support such laws, not only would your country become blacklisted or greylisted, but anyway the chances of a successful vote against are very slim, as only a small percentage of the voters are even aware of

what's been planned for them for years already by that point

CRS is a good example

whereas organized resistance about such things, while discussed globally over the internet, tends to be a country-by-country thing

<cyyber "Is Monero moving towards quantum"> youtu.be/kYm6gqtsses check this out

alexanarcho[m] I already checked that out and shared the link above :)

I just want to know if there is any progress

thanks kayront & Adreik for all the info i really appreciate the insightfull info as im still learning about cryto.

Going to probably use bisq and also have a look at open bazzar.

And xmr.to is fantastic also.

Ah ups, didnt read

xmr.to is a lifesaver, though it's questionable (unfortunately) how much longer they'll be able to operate without KYC

keep learning ghost_matrix[m], it's worth it, it's fun, and the world needs it :)

Hey, anyone know a stagenet faucet?

Or do we have to mine it and wait an hour

NVM; google has saved me: community.xmr.to/faucet/stagenet

So, just checking it's stagenet that's essentially mainnet and testnet that has all the new shiny features being tested? Or other way around.

<rbrunner7> No, not the other way round :) Shiny new features are indeed on testnet, if any. Stagenet is "boring", just mainnet with coins worth nothing

Any safer remote node?

amuro: it's more about trust than safety, and asking random people on IRC which remote node you should trust doesn't make much sense

we're a very trustable bunch tho

moneroworld.com/#nodes <-- Are the nodes on this website can be trusted?

there's very little a bad node can do to hurt you amuro, and it certainly cannot spend your funds

if you want to cover a few more bases, access the node through tor

there's some .onion nodes listed there too

thanks

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Just run your own node on a laptop

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: It takes almost no effort

What is the best way/website to exchange btc to monero?

Is cake wallet good? I wish xmr.to went the other way around as well.

morphtoken?

ghost_matrix[m]: xmr.to doesn't do the other way because of the fundamental fatal issues with privacy in bitcoin we were discussing before

cake wallet is trusted in the community, personally i've never used it, but it is certainly legit

never had issues with morphtoken, which is not to say that tomorrow someone won't. simpleswap.io also works well ime

<kayront "ghost_matrix: xmr.to doesn't do "> I see, i went away and did alot of research after we talked all i can say i privacy coins all the way!

the problem with these tools is the spread on the exchange rate. i just checked simpleswap and it's over 500 basis points (!) for xbtxmr

unless you enjoy 1984-style, china-style authoritarianism, it's the only thing that's ever gonna work

it's frustrating that even in crypto so few people understand that, 12 years on

i believe this could be in big part due to the fact that for most people in crypto, it's a get-rich-and-hodl thing exclusively

nothing wrong with getting rich and/or hodling, but if you don't try to use cryptocurrency for actual commerce, you never run into the massive ramifications of the next-to-no-privacy that 99% of projects suffer from

kayront: yes it’s great to keep people updated on new developments and work. That is never a bad thing. There is a saying we used to use ten years ago on forums. Use the search function. Now days since forums are practically obsolete due to instant connection, you have to constantly answer the same question thousands of times because people want instant answers instead of using a search function.

also forums are dead because nowadays if you want to look for an answer, it's somewhere on reddit or discord. :-(

i don't think i need to explain why these services are bad for privacy

Dr. Marcus Pleyer of Germany assumed the position of President of the FATF on 1 July 2020. He succeeded Xiangmin Liu of the People's Republic of China.

LOL, that explains a few things

I found this looks good

Morphscript

This python script enables you to convert BTC to XMR (or any currency conversion supported by morphtoken.com) on Tails without using javascript.

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: I usually use ChangeNow or LocalMonero to convert my BTC to XMR

<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Also Incognito DEX is pretty good

Yonatan: incognito seems to have really bad liquidity for XMR/BTC

i must be looking at the wrong thing because it looks like the only way to use it is to install an ap from a proprietary app store, lol

artefact: yeah, i had the same experience

took *so much* digging to find source code, and i have no way of knowing if it is the same thing i download from an app store

and it requires GSF? is this a sick joke?

they do publish an APK directly, which is better

but even that APK requires google spyware, yeah

and then once you use your burner device to try it out, you find that liquidity is so bad on XMR/BTC that prices are an order of magnitude off

hm, sounds like a good place to be adding some liquidity

if anyone is trading at all

i mean, if the spread is as wide as you say, i can be patient :)

makes me wonder who their target audience is

the people who bought PRV, surely

Hi C cracks :) monerod is acting up here with a runtime error. Stack trace: ix.io/2t7y

You talking to me! ?

You talking to me? !!

You must be talking to me, There is nobody else here!???

i also do get similar errors. doesn't seem to prevent the daemon from operating normally, from what i can see

fullmetalScience: you can use MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=1 to shut that error up the easy way (put that before the monerod command in your shell), or you can let it allocate with huge pages

huge pages? that's not mentioned anywhere in the reference, afaik

how many?

with 2MB hugepages i have vm.nr_hugepages set to 1193. although i think that was for xmrig which might want more

enabling them or telling it to not use hugepages really speeds up the syncing. i messed up the log rotate settings and ended up with gigabytes of log messages after ignoring the warning lol

github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/src/randomx.h#L42 i see. not really documented anywhere afaik, but good to know

looks like =4 might also work

oh and RANDOMX_FLAG_SECURE for w^x, nice

Okay. I did just notice CLI thinking an outgoing tx had failed. So I tried to repeat it which told me I was trying to double spend. But maybe that's unrelated then and the daemon was just out of sync or anything.

After a monerod and CLI restart the first TX showed up correctly, not as failed anymore.

Environment=MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=29 works w/o hugepages and MemoryDenyWriteExecute=true, pretty good

I cannot really spare >2 GiB for this on the machine, but I set vm.nr_hugepages=128 to see what happens.

Nope. Same error right after starting monerod.

just setting vm.nr_hugepages when the system is already running is unlikely to allocate all of them

I rebooted.

then it's likely not enough

Let's see with 1280 just out of curiousity ...

Looks better. No error yet.

But why does it want so many when not mining?

needs to validate the blocks as you download them

Well it could still use all the mem it wanted, just in smaller chunks ..

it uses 128x2mb pages with RANDOMX_FLAG_FULL_MEM

or not, just errored out again. aaaaaaaaa