00:07:16 <Adreik> When you say "I forgot you could do this", by that do you mean that the set_tx_key functionality didn't have any unit testing or what (you develop the wallet right)?
00:08:07 <Adreik> Not sure if it would make a difference, but the transaction was a sweep_single to an external address
00:08:21 <moneromooo> I meant I forgot there was a command to do this.
00:08:27 <moneromooo> I don't think I wrote it.
00:11:00 <Adreik> Just to make sure (maybe my computer generated a garbage "random" number and showed me a different one for some reason) I tried with the obviously garbage value and it shows the same error; Error: Failed to store tx key: Given tx secret key doesn't agree with the tx public key in the blockchain
00:11:44 <moneromooo> You said above it had 00..01.
00:12:05 <Adreik> 0100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
00:12:27 <moneromooo> Are you calling that garbage or did you get somehting else elsewhere ?
00:13:04 <Adreik> I got something else from the computer that signed the transaction; that is the garbage value that my watch-only wallet claims is the tx key for some strange reason
00:14:10 <moneromooo> It's not garbage. It's the expected value.
00:16:06 <Adreik> I have other transfers going out and they say "Error: no tx keys found for this txid"
00:16:31 <Adreik> Perhaps because I restored the wallet later from keys
00:16:55 <moneromooo> I've tried set_tx_key here with a correct and incorrect tx key, works ok. The wrong one is rejected with the message you had, the right one is accepted.
00:17:14 <moneromooo> Are you sure it's the right secret key for the right txid ?
00:17:38 <Adreik> Yes, I copied it from the result of get_tx_key [txid]
00:18:06 <Adreik> Although that wallet was on a live OS boot and cannot now be revived sadly
00:23:21 <Adreik> I guess it doesn't *really* matter; the transfer was acknowledged as received. I mainly wanted to learn about how this part of backing up a monero wallet works I guess
00:34:03 <Adreik> moneromooo I just tried with xmrchain.net's tool; it shows my transaction key as the correct private transaction key, and shows the correct amount
00:34:29 <Adreik> So i'm not surer why I'm getting the error in the CLI wallet
00:35:29 <moneromooo> Dunno. The code doesn't seem to have an obvious bug.
00:36:27 <moneromooo> You could try this: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d6d82d4e/
00:36:36 <moneromooo> And see if it outputs the values you expect.
00:36:46 <moneromooo> If one of them isn't, it gives a clue to what's wrong.
00:36:55 <Adreik> Try what?
00:37:12 <Adreik> It is on a windows machine
00:37:43 <moneromooo> Applying that patch and running set_tx_key again.
00:38:26 <Adreik> I'll try it if it's in the next build I guess
00:43:28 <Adreik> I've never tried building from source and i'm not really clear on how to do it
00:44:34 <moneromooo> Save the patch as /tmp/patch; git clone https://github.com/monero-project/monero; cd monero; patch -p1 < /tmp/patch; make
00:44:52 <moneromooo> If it complains about missing libs, see the README for what you need.
00:48:13 <Adreik> Perhaps I will try to replicate in stagenet/testnet and raise an issue instead for someone who knows their way around github, has it installed and so on
01:14:37 <User1337> hello
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01:29:25 <User1337> hello
01:30:20 <sethsimmons> Hi
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02:02:30 <djm_> test test
02:02:32 <djm_> hello guys
02:02:37 <djm_> sorry, first time using IRC
02:02:41 <djm_> anyone here?
02:16:55 <djm_> guys, I used MorphToken to change BTC to XMR, this was like 5 days ago and still I haven't received my XMRs. Address was fine and generally everything should be fine. I contancted their support and they said on their side everything was fine and I should contact my "wallet provider"
02:17:03 <djm_> Any tips on what should I do now?
02:49:23 <UkoeHB_> djm_: perhaps it's a scanning issue, if your wallet didn't scan for the new outputs
02:50:18 <djm_> rescanning wallet balance does nothing sadly
02:59:13 <niocbrrrrrr> djm_: did you scan from before the transaction?
02:59:28 <djm_> I think I might
02:59:44 <niocbrrrrrr> what wallet are you using?
02:59:56 <djm_> monero wallet gui
03:00:06 <djm_> local node
03:00:16 <niocbrrrrrr> so your own node
03:01:01 <djm_> yeah
03:01:17 <djm_> Should I change to remote node and that will help?
03:01:58 <djm_> the amount of BTC was quite significant so I'm a bit unhappy about the fact that I did not receive the XMRs
03:02:01 <niocbrrrrrr> it shouldn't as long as you are sure that the daemon is runing
03:02:12 <niocbrrrrrr> I use the CLI not GUI but I believe that you can set a tx height to scan from
03:02:17 <gingeropolous> yeah, what status does your daemon say?
03:02:21 <gingeropolous> bottom left
03:02:29 <djm_> synchronised
03:02:38 <gingeropolous> whats the block height?
03:02:50 <djm_> 2156168
03:03:13 <niocbrrrrrr> is that the wallet or daemon?  I believe there is one for each
03:03:36 <niocbrrrrrr> is it still that way gingeropolous
03:03:47 <djm_> uhhh to be honest I don't know what to answer to that
03:03:54 <gingeropolous> i dunno im downloding the gui to run it
03:04:28 <djm_> maybe I should download CLI then and see there
03:04:37 <niocbrrrrrr> djm_: have you used the wallet for other txs?
03:04:40 <gingeropolous> u on windows or ?
03:04:43 <djm_> mac
03:04:56 <gingeropolous> lets just stick with the gui for now
03:05:03 <gingeropolous> i have no idea where the files are put for mac etc
03:05:28 <djm_> @niocbrrrrrr no, my first transaction
03:06:36 <gingeropolous> hrm, well 2156167 is the current height
03:06:47 <gingeropolous> 2156169
03:06:52 <gingeropolous> so u should be seein it
03:07:25 <niocbrrrrrr> gingeropolous: I just paged dsc from another channel, mebbe he is around, I know he has a mac
03:08:23 <gingeropolous> djm_, if u know how to get around the CLI, I'd try that. Perhaps the GUI and the CLI both put the blockchain in the same spot
03:08:38 <niocbrrrrrr> think he is keeping regular hrs now so may be asleep
03:08:40 <gingeropolous> you'll find out if you launch the CLI daemon and its start sync from scratch or not
03:08:54 <gingeropolous> you have to shut down the GUI though before you start the CLI
03:09:26 <cismee> djm_: I've had a similar issue with the XMR GUI wallet, I fixed it by switching the wallet into advanced mode
03:09:55 <cismee> for some reason after doing so the daemon started for me when it would not do so previously
03:10:42 <djm_> so I DLed CLI
03:10:48 <djm_> it's asking for wallet file name
03:11:07 <djm_> I type the name that I have in GUI
03:11:14 <djm_> and it's says it's not found
03:11:32 <gingeropolous> honestly id just restore from seed
03:11:38 <cismee> djm do you have a viewkey?
03:12:07 <djm_> what would be that? :D
03:12:11 <djm_> I have the mnemonic seed
03:12:16 <djm_> i have restore height
03:12:36 <cismee> you should also have a viewkey for your wallet as well
03:12:47 <cismee> if you have the wallet loaded in the gui
03:12:54 <cismee> you can find it in the settings section
03:13:04 <cismee> use that viewkey then go to monero blockchain explorer or my monero
03:13:11 <cismee> and use that to see if your monero arrived in your wallet
03:13:26 <cismee> dont need to use daemon and it'll pput ur mind at ease
03:13:30 <cismee> until u can figure out the wallet
03:13:47 <djm_> okay I created the viewkey in options
03:13:53 <cismee> awesome
03:14:04 <gingeropolous> ah, he almost had it cismee
03:14:19 <cismee> https://mymonero.com/
03:14:25 <cismee> https://moneroblocks.info
03:14:33 <cismee> those should be able to check wallet via viewkey
03:14:45 <djm_> lovely, let me see
03:14:49 <cismee> u are not putting wallet at risk by using viewkey either no one can use it to access wallet
03:14:57 <cismee> its view only
03:15:32 <djm_> in mymonero should I log into my wallet?
03:15:34 <djm_> with mnemonic?
03:15:47 <gingeropolous> no
03:15:58 <gingeropolous> well u can but there's a charge. or there used to be.
03:16:04 <gingeropolous> mymonero doesn't have a viewkey scanner
03:16:19 <gingeropolous> and where is the viewkey scanner on moneroblocks.info cismee ?
03:16:33 <cismee> im not quite sure i just assumed as i had used it before
03:17:00 <niocbrrrrrr> if you have the txid you can just use that on any explorer
03:17:25 <cismee> ^
03:18:06 <niocbrrrrrr> here are instructions to recreate your wallet from mnemonic seed   https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_account.html
03:18:42 <gingeropolous> id still just use the CLI and restore from seed using your own node if you can
03:19:01 <djm_> according to moneroblocks.info
03:19:03 <cismee> djm_: https://xmr.llcoins.net/checktx.html
03:19:06 <djm_> I checked the tx
03:19:16 <cismee> if you have tx and viewkey u should see it there
03:19:26 <gingeropolous> id also subtract 1k or 2k from the restore height just in case
03:23:02 <djm_> it's asking for electrum seed
03:23:05 <djm_> why?
03:23:10 <djm_> what should I type ther
03:23:54 <cismee> djm_: that website does not ask for seed
03:24:06 <djm_> but I'm at the CLI
03:24:08 <djm_> in the terminal
03:24:10 <cismee> oh
03:24:21 <djm_> with --restore-deterministric blabl
03:24:53 <cismee> i have not used CLI wallet in a looong time
03:27:33 <djm_> Okay I restored on GUI
03:27:37 <djm_> let's see
03:27:38 <niocbrrrrrr> seed is the 25 words you wrote down when you created the wallet
03:27:38 <niocbrrrrrr> you downloaded 0.16.0.1  ?
03:27:49 <djm_> OMG IT WORKED
03:27:51 <cismee> good luk sir :D
03:27:54 <cismee> onice!
03:27:54 <djm_> <3 <3 <3
03:27:59 <djm_> love you guys
03:28:11 <cismee> now all u gotta do is wait for moon
03:28:13 <cismee> that will be
03:28:14 <cismee> .soon
03:28:26 <cismee> lol
03:28:29 <djm_> hahahahha
03:28:35 <djm_> sir you saved my day
03:28:39 <djm_> thank you so much
03:29:04 <niocbrrrrrr> djm_: yeah your monero is usually not lost (like never) and morphtoken is ok
03:29:17 <cismee> ^
03:29:37 <djm_> Great to know
03:29:39 <djm_> amazing stuff
03:29:48 <cismee> djm_: if ud like to purchase arts with them xmrs shop.cartysewill.com :D
03:29:56 <cismee> (shameless plug)
03:30:04 <djm_> I'll definitely take a look :D
03:30:06 <cismee> enjoy dude
03:30:22 <djm_> cheers mate! I can happily go to sleep now
03:30:25 <djm_> take care!
03:30:29 <niocbrrrrrr> sweet dreams
03:30:31 <cismee> stick around and idle if u like the community we also got #monero-markets and #monero-pools
03:30:41 <djm_> I'll definitely stick around
03:30:44 <niocbrrrrrr> pools?  lolol
03:30:56 <cismee> :P
03:30:58 <niocbrrrrrr> also #monero-community
03:31:06 <cismee> rofl
03:31:11 <cismee> why am i not in that chan?
03:31:13 <cismee> joined
03:31:39 <niocbrrrrrr> djm_: there is also tradeogre exchange which is small but non kyc
03:31:45 <cismee> he gone
03:31:56 <cismee> but yeah niocbrrrrr that is where i buy my xmr now lol
03:31:57 <niocbrrrrrr> well look at that :)
03:32:15 <cismee> tradeogre is chill i been buying eth there too lol
03:32:23 <cismee> sometimes u get a discount even
03:32:25 <niocbrrrrrr> you say stick around and he leaves
03:32:43 <cismee> im not the best salesman for #monero apparently
03:32:49 <cismee> maybe he did not know what idle means
03:33:45 <cismee> niocbrrrrr: u notice a lot of peeps joining in diff channels asking for help?
03:33:50 <cismee> bull confirmed?
03:33:50 <cismee> lol
03:33:59 <cismee> seems like its happening a lot lately
03:50:28 <bigslim[m]> Nobody needs to be a salesman for Monero. It’s been around 6 years and works for what it was created for.
03:50:59 <bigslim[m]> Monero has Nothing to hide other than your transactions lol
03:51:30 <bigslim[m]> Marketing bit right there TM
03:53:07 <cismee> i wasnt trying be a salesman for monero
03:53:13 <cismee> was being saleman for idling in chat
03:53:20 <cismee> \community
03:53:28 <cismee> dude already bot monero lol
03:55:45 <cismee> regardless it was a facetious comment
03:56:09 <bigslim[m]> I c
03:57:17 <bigslim[m]> I don’t know why there is so much marketing of monero
03:57:31 <cismee> people just trying to shill their bags
06:14:55 <ghost_matrix[m]> Question: Why is it so expensive to buy btc on bisq?
06:15:13 <kayront> bigslim[m]> Nobody needs to be a salesman for Monero -- surely raising awareness and writing newbie-friendly materials can't hurt
06:16:21 <ghost_matrix[m]> Im new to bisq but as i am looking at all the offers alot of them are really expensive compared to what the btc price is at on a normal exchange
06:17:20 <ghost_matrix[m]> I really want to stay of regular exchanges and use bisq from now on, hopefully someone can chime in thanks ;)
06:17:31 <ghost_matrix[m]>  * I really want to stay off regular exchanges and use bisq from now on, hopefully someone can chime in thanks ;)
06:17:47 <kayront> ghost_matrix[m]: are you buying or selling crypto?
06:19:17 <ghost_matrix[m]> both but i dont want to buy my btc on regular exchanges anymore
06:19:47 <kayront> from what i've heard it's normal for offers in bisq to take hours if not a day or too to be picked up
06:19:56 <kayront> don't let that discourage you
06:20:08 <kayront> just put your offer in there, leave the program running. someone will take the bait
06:20:25 <kayront> too=two
06:20:39 <ghost_matrix[m]> ok that makes sense, just curios why people jack up the price so much?
06:20:55 <ghost_matrix[m]> Unless you buy a big amount
06:20:58 <ghost_matrix[m]> it get cheaper
06:21:05 <ghost_matrix[m]>  * it get cheaper s
06:21:09 <kayront> privacy premium ? compensating for added risk of p2p ? dunno, everyone must have their reasons
06:21:10 <ghost_matrix[m]>  * it gets cheaper
06:21:31 <kayront> i check the markets page (some subdomain of bisq.io iirc) now and then and at times there are also many offers at 0% difference
06:21:45 <kayront> now the price is going a bit wild, so it makes sense to charge a premium to compensate for fluctuations too
06:22:34 <ghost_matrix[m]> ok i will have a look at that, i still fairly new to this so i will do further research.
06:22:43 <ghost_matrix[m]>  * ok i will have a look at that, im still fairly new to this so i will do further research.
06:23:46 <kayront> sure. and if it works out for you, don't forget to tell a friend :)
06:23:57 <kayront> as legit viral as it can be
06:23:58 <kayront> heh
06:24:24 <ghost_matrix[m]> I heard its not good practice to load btc that you purchased for a regular exchange into bisq wallet is this true?
06:24:32 <Adreik> BTC on Bisq is priced as if it is basically guaranteed to be dirty according to chain analytics,
06:24:38 <mmxxx[m]> <ghost_matrix[m] "I really want to stay of regular"> Have you tried openbazaar?
06:24:57 <ghost_matrix[m]> what if i i load monero into bisq and then buy btc and other alts with that?
06:25:09 <kayront> ghost_matrix[m]: not sure how deep into monero you are, but by the tone of the question I'll assume you're still exploring
06:25:13 <ghost_matrix[m]>  * what if i  load monero into bisq and then buy btc and other alts with that?
06:25:19 <ndorf> personally, i would never trade known-good monero for almost-certainly-tainted btc
06:25:26 <ghost_matrix[m]> <kayront "ghost_matrix: not sure how deep "> Yes :)
06:25:32 <kayront> the problem with bitcoin and 99% of other cryptos, is that they're completely transparent. and using bisq leaves certain easy-to-follow clues on-chain
06:25:37 <ndorf> maybe at like a 50% discount or something
06:25:44 <kayront> combine that with the fact that exchanges use chain analytics, and they WILL know you are depositing into bisq
06:26:09 <kayront> is that a problem for them now?  maybe, maybe not. but when and if it becomes a problem, they tick a few boxes in their dashboard and get a list of everyone who's been depositing to bis
06:26:10 <kayront> q
06:26:15 <kayront> and then maybe you have problems or you don't
06:26:23 <ndorf> ^
06:26:36 <kayront> that's pretty much the essence of why monero exists, we don't want this pervasive, rewindable surveillance of our lives
06:26:59 <ndorf> have you looked at localmonero.co? it's pretty thin, but maybe you're lucky and there's liquidity in your area
06:27:30 <kayront> all this to say, ghost_matrix[m], that bitcoin is fundamentally flawed without privacy. so you are right to worry about it (already a step ahead of most people)
06:28:10 <kayront> it's a dilemma. maybe yout hink: fine, I'll mix my coins before depositing to bisq! well, same logic applies, and with mixing it will definitely raise alarms faster than using bisq. after all, as we all now (/s), only criminals need or want privacy
06:28:16 <Adreik> I laugh at people that think cash shuffle or coinjoin or whatever gets them good privacy
06:29:10 <ghost_matrix[m]> <kayront "all this to say, ghost_matrix, t"> Understood yes this is why i really respect monero and what it stands for.
06:29:57 <ghost_matrix[m]> so to trade on bisq could i just use monero instead?
06:30:05 <kayront> and the really worrying thing is that governments have grown used to having this kind of power, and now any attempts at remaining anonymous and private are automatically suspicious
06:30:14 <ghost_matrix[m]> And use that to buy other coins more securely
06:30:37 <kayront> yes, that would be much better. but as bisq exists today, you must use BTC if you wish to purchase fiat
06:30:46 <kayront> so you could go XMR -> bisq -> XMR->BTC -> fiat
06:31:07 <kayront> the BTC you get from selling XMR on bisq, as ndorf implied, will almost certainly be tainted though
06:31:48 <Adreik> I'm not sure anyone would want their bank account transactions connected to Bisq activity either really
06:32:06 <kayront> there was some talk last year about making monero a base currency in bisq, but then later i think people were saying the concept of base currency was going away soon™, and frankly i haven't followed it much recently so i dunno where it's at
06:32:21 <kayront> Adreik, that's the other side of the surveillance coin
06:32:30 <ghost_matrix[m]> <kayront "so you could go XMR -> bisq -> X"> Ok this makes more sense! because what if someone was to get paid in bitcoin for freelance work but wants to cash out to fiat? how is one supposed to do this?
06:32:44 <kayront> at some point you want to use fiat because in most places you can't do crypto yet
06:32:46 <kayront> what are the options?
06:32:57 <kayront> cex or dex or in-person cash
06:33:35 <kayront> ghost_matrix[m]: first, they should probably be getting paid in XMR ;)
06:34:05 <kayront> but to answer your question, there's visa/mastercard options too (needs KYC however) like bitsacard.com (not a customer, can't rate)
06:34:36 <kayront> then centralized exchanges, then decentralized, then back to mcdonalds with a money-verifying machine in your pocket and probably a small knife just to be sure (true story)
06:34:40 <ghost_matrix[m]> What if i was to sell on bisq though is that not the same concept as cex or dex?
06:35:02 <kayront> and last of all, you could just USE the crypto as it is.. the options are limited, but growing every day
06:35:06 <ghost_matrix[m]> <kayront "then centralized exchanges, then"> This made me laugh !
06:35:46 <kayront> <ghost_matrix[m]> What if i was to sell on bisq though is that not the same concept as cex or dex? --> bisq *is* a dex
06:36:04 <ghost_matrix[m]> oh lol
06:36:04 <kayront> you don't do KYC, but imagine your trading partner is some sort of shady drug dealer character ... all bank transactions are recorded forever
06:36:12 <kayront> 2 years from now guy gets caught, they go through his accounts
06:36:14 <ghost_matrix[m]> i thought it was a platform sorry ahahah
06:36:17 <kayront> guess who they find there? good old ghost_matrix[m]
06:36:22 <kayront> it's a risk.
06:36:40 <ghost_matrix[m]> I see! ok its all coming together!
06:37:04 <kayront> that's the beauty (/s) of the surveillance system, you just never know when they're trolling through your life and preparing a frontal assault on your backdoor (heh)
06:37:06 <Adreik> Are bank transfers really recorded forever? I can't get statements going back more than 7 years (tax office audit timeframe limit)
06:37:12 <ghost_matrix[m]> Because they still have to pay you into your actuall bank account and vice versa
06:37:21 <Adreik> But same principle regardless, yes
06:37:37 <kayront> i don't know for sure Adreik, and i'm sure there are laws that limit in theory, but then again there were laws that limited mass-surveillance too and look where we are
06:37:54 <kayront> correct ghost_matrix[m]
06:39:14 <kayront> the bisq vision is much closer to the original ideals of cryptocurrency though, that's for sure. you're just trading, does there really have to be a middle-man ? but because of the whole surrounding financial mass-surveillance system, doing so comes with some extra risks
06:39:58 <ghost_matrix[m]> So what would be the best way in your opinion if someone was to get paid in bitcoin for freelance work to be able to get your hard earned profit into fiat?
06:40:43 <kayront> no option is ideal today
06:40:52 <Adreik> Demand bitcoin through a centralised service like coinbase's merchant thingy. Then sell and buy however much XMR :)
06:41:03 <kayront> out of principle i would go with bisq and accept the added risk, freedom does come at a price
06:41:13 <kayront> and if they bother you, at some point you have to fight back and stop letting them push you around
06:41:22 <kayront> hiding forever doesn't work
06:42:19 <kayront> but consider that you can buy plane tickets, hotels, amazon giftcards, and many other things with monero (indirectly in most cases through https://xmr.to)
06:42:24 <kayront> so maybe you don't *need* to convert ?
06:42:25 <mmxxx[m]> Open bazaar is also an option for btc to xmr
06:42:43 <mmxxx[m]> A better option than bisq, in my experience
06:43:59 <kayront> what makes it a better experience mmxxx[m] ? never really got into OB myself
06:44:34 <mmxxx[m]> <kayront "what makes it a better experienc"> Quicker, more responsive sellers. More flexible selllers
06:44:39 <mmxxx[m]> No added 'fees'
06:47:06 <kayront> by the way, everyone
06:47:48 <kayront> i don't have time today, and i'm waiting on feedback from some key members of the community to get their interpretation about the following, but in the mean time, something that interests us all, and has not been widely reported in the crypto media
06:47:54 <kayront> https://www.coincenter.org/do-anti-encryption-bills-in-congress-pose-a-risk-to-cryptocurrency/ -- check the last section
06:48:12 <kayront> i'd like to do an article about it
06:48:57 <Adreik> I think no, because you can have the computer that hosts the code anywhere
06:49:30 <cyyber> I saw a youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYm6gqtsses
06:49:50 <Adreik> What is meant by an "unhosted wallet" in that context?
06:49:58 <cyyber> May I know the contribution of Thayer & Adam on Monero?
06:50:00 <kayront> anything that's not an exchange/bank wallet
06:50:09 <kayront> anything they can't put under surveillance
06:51:24 <kayront> if you transfer exchange to exchange, soon™ if not already (depends on country atm) the travel rule applies and the destination exchange can tell your funds are coming from another exchange/bank-that-custodies-crypto, and you're in the matrix, your life is rewindable, so no problem
06:51:39 <kayront> if you transfer from an unknown wallet though, they are proposing to outright ban that
06:51:56 <kayront> or bullying the exchange into losing their license and thus their business
06:53:05 <kayront> it's not clear if they're looking to go as far as banning merchants from accepting it, but if you think about it if they're willing to go this far, then pontificating about that is but a small step (imo)
06:53:45 <cyyber> Is Monero moving towards quantum security?
06:55:03 <kayront> i've been thinking about this, and i think a big part of the problem could be that governments have these global fancy groups, the laws come top-down, and by the time they get to your country where you could ostensibly vote out politicians who support such laws, not only would your country become blacklisted or greylisted, but anyway the chances of a successful vote against are very slim, as only a small percentage of the voters are even aware of
06:55:03 <kayront> what's been planned for them for years already by that point
06:55:06 <kayront> CRS is a good example
06:55:45 <kayront> whereas organized resistance about such things, while discussed globally over the internet, tends to be a country-by-country thing
06:55:51 <alexanarcho[m]> <cyyber "Is Monero moving towards quantum"> https://youtu.be/kYm6gqtsses check this out
06:57:47 <cyyber> alexanarcho[m] I already checked that out and shared the link above :)
06:58:11 <cyyber> I just want to know if there is any progress
07:02:33 <ghost_matrix[m]> thanks kayront & Adreik for all the info i really appreciate the insightfull info as im still learning about cryto.
07:02:33 <ghost_matrix[m]> Going to probably use bisq and also have a look at open bazzar.
07:02:33 <ghost_matrix[m]> And xmr.to is fantastic also.
07:02:33 <alexanarcho[m]> Ah ups, didnt read
07:03:00 <kayront> xmr.to is a lifesaver, though it's questionable (unfortunately) how much longer they'll be able to operate without KYC
07:03:27 <kayront> keep learning ghost_matrix[m], it's worth it, it's fun, and the world needs it :)
07:05:13 <Adreik> Hey, anyone know a stagenet faucet?
07:05:37 <Adreik> Or do we have to mine it and wait an hour
07:06:26 <Adreik> NVM; google has saved me: https://community.xmr.to/faucet/stagenet/
07:18:27 <Adreik> So, just checking it's stagenet that's essentially mainnet and testnet that has all the new shiny features being tested? Or other way around.
07:51:28 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> No, not the other way round :) Shiny new features are indeed on testnet, if any. Stagenet is "boring", just mainnet with coins worth nothing
08:35:16 <amuro> Any safer remote node?
08:35:58 <jbg> amuro: it's more about trust than safety, and asking random people on IRC which remote node you should trust doesn't make much sense
08:37:11 <kayront> we're a very trustable bunch tho
08:39:57 <amuro> https://moneroworld.com/#nodes <-- Are the nodes on this website can be trusted?
08:40:51 <kayront> there's very little a bad node can do to hurt you amuro, and it certainly cannot spend your funds
08:41:05 <kayront> if you want to cover a few more bases, access the node through tor
08:41:11 <kayront> there's some .onion nodes listed there too
08:41:53 <amuro> thanks
10:17:18 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Just run your own node on a laptop
10:17:26 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Yonatan#6948>: It takes almost no effort
11:13:22 <ghost_matrix[m]> What is the best way/website to exchange btc to monero?
11:19:46 <ghost_matrix[m]> Is cake wallet good?  I wish xmr.to went the other way around as well.
11:21:19 <ghost_matrix[m]> morphtoken?
11:21:28 <kayront> ghost_matrix[m]: xmr.to doesn't do the other way because of the fundamental fatal issues with privacy in bitcoin we were discussing before
11:21:53 <kayront> cake wallet is trusted in the community, personally i've never used it, but it is certainly legit
11:22:19 <kayront> never had issues with morphtoken, which is not to say that tomorrow someone won't. simpleswap.io also works well ime
11:25:32 <ghost_matrix[m]> <kayront "ghost_matrix: xmr.to doesn't do "> I see, i went away and did alot of research after we talked all i can say i privacy coins all the way!
11:26:14 <artefact> the problem with these tools is the spread on the exchange rate. i just checked simpleswap and it's over 500 basis points (!) for xbtxmr
11:26:17 <kayront> unless you enjoy 1984-style, china-style authoritarianism, it's the only thing that's ever gonna work
11:26:42 <kayront> it's frustrating that even in crypto so few people understand that, 12 years on
11:27:51 <kayront> i believe this could be in big part due to the fact that for most people in crypto, it's a get-rich-and-hodl thing exclusively
11:28:21 <kayront> nothing wrong with getting rich and/or hodling, but if you don't try to use cryptocurrency for actual commerce, you never run into the massive ramifications of the next-to-no-privacy that 99% of projects suffer from
11:28:27 <bigslim[m]> kayront: yes it’s great to keep people updated on new developments and work. That is never a bad thing. There is a saying we used to use ten years ago on forums. Use the search function. Now days since forums are practically obsolete due to instant connection, you have to constantly answer the same question thousands of times because people want instant answers instead of using a search function.
11:29:21 <artefact> also forums are dead because nowadays if you want to look for an answer, it's somewhere on reddit or discord. :-(
11:30:30 <artefact> i don't think i need to explain why these services are bad for privacy
11:30:30 <kayront> https://www.fatf-gafi.org/about/fatfpresidency/#d.en.3156
11:30:40 <kayront> Dr. Marcus Pleyer of Germany assumed the position of President of the FATF on 1 July 2020. He succeeded Xiangmin Liu of the People's Republic of China.
11:30:44 <kayront> LOL, that explains a few things
11:31:40 <ghost_matrix[m]> I found this looks good
11:31:40 <ghost_matrix[m]> Morphscript
11:31:40 <ghost_matrix[m]> This python script enables you to convert BTC to XMR (or any currency conversion supported by morphtoken.com) on Tails without using javascript.
13:13:06 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Yonatan#6948>: I usually use ChangeNow or LocalMonero to convert my BTC to XMR
13:14:10 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Also Incognito DEX is pretty good
15:28:13 <jbg> Yonatan: incognito seems to have really bad liquidity for XMR/BTC
15:33:45 <artefact> i must be looking at the wrong thing because it looks like the only way to use it is to install an ap from a proprietary app store, lol
15:35:17 <jbg> artefact: yeah, i had the same experience
15:35:44 <jbg> took *so much* digging to find source code, and i have no way of knowing if it is the same thing i download from an app store
15:35:50 <artefact> and it requires GSF? is this a sick joke?
15:35:52 <jbg> they do publish an APK directly, which is better
15:36:00 <jbg> but even that APK requires google spyware, yeah
15:36:37 <jbg> and then once you use your burner device to try it out, you find that liquidity is so bad on XMR/BTC that prices are an order of magnitude off
15:36:59 <ndorf> hm, sounds like a good place to be adding some liquidity
15:37:46 <jbg> if anyone is trading at all
15:38:19 <ndorf> i mean, if the spread is as wide as you say, i can be patient :)
15:39:15 <artefact> makes me wonder who their target audience is
15:40:23 <jbg> the people who bought PRV, surely
21:45:11 <fullmetalScience> Hi C cracks :) monerod is acting up here with a runtime error. Stack trace: http://ix.io/2t7y
21:46:13 <monerod[m]> You talking to me! ?
21:46:13 <monerod[m]> You talking to me? !!
21:46:13 <monerod[m]> You must be talking to me, There is nobody else here!???
21:46:54 <artefact> i also do get similar errors. doesn't seem to prevent the daemon from operating normally, from what i can see
21:51:36 <asymptotically> fullmetalScience: you can use MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=1 to shut that error up the easy way (put that before the monerod command in your shell), or you can let it allocate with huge pages
21:53:20 <artefact> huge pages? that's not mentioned anywhere in the reference, afaik
21:53:28 <artefact> how many?
21:55:49 <asymptotically> with 2MB hugepages i have vm.nr_hugepages set to 1193. although i think that was for xmrig which might want more
21:57:07 <asymptotically> enabling them or telling it to not use hugepages really speeds up the syncing. i messed up the log rotate settings and ended up with gigabytes of log messages after ignoring the warning lol
22:01:28 <artefact> https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/src/randomx.h#L42 i see. not really documented anywhere afaik, but good to know
22:01:49 <artefact> looks like =4 might also work
22:02:26 <artefact> oh and RANDOMX_FLAG_SECURE for w^x, nice
22:13:22 <fullmetalScience> Okay. I did just notice CLI thinking an outgoing tx had failed. So I tried to repeat it which told me I was trying to double spend. But maybe that's unrelated then and the daemon was just out of sync or anything.
22:14:01 <fullmetalScience> After a monerod and CLI restart the first TX showed up correctly, not as failed anymore.
22:14:32 <artefact> Environment=MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=29 works w/o hugepages and MemoryDenyWriteExecute=true, pretty good
22:25:12 <fullmetalScience> I cannot really spare >2 GiB for this on the machine, but I set vm.nr_hugepages=128 to see what happens.
22:27:06 <fullmetalScience> Nope. Same error right after starting monerod.
22:27:59 <artefact> just setting vm.nr_hugepages when the system is already running is unlikely to allocate all of them
22:28:14 <fullmetalScience> I rebooted.
22:29:28 <artefact> then it's likely not enough
22:30:59 <fullmetalScience> Let's see with 1280 just out of curiousity ...
22:33:25 <fullmetalScience> Looks better. No error yet.
22:34:07 <fullmetalScience> But why does it want so many when not mining?
22:34:22 <asymptotically> needs to validate the blocks as you download them
22:35:49 <fullmetalScience> Well it could still use all the mem it wanted, just in smaller chunks ..
22:59:23 <artefact> it uses 128x2mb pages with RANDOMX_FLAG_FULL_MEM
22:59:37 <artefact> or not, just errored out again. aaaaaaaaa