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sig_soured
hey everyone
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sig_soured
nick
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lza_menace
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lza_menace
is there a way to tell if a node is running with Dandelion++ off?
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Adreik
Out of curiosity, is there a simple way to see how many transactions in total there are in the blockchain, or for a specific block range?
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moneromooo
mdb_stat -s txs_pruned ~/.bitmonero/lmdb (I think)
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Adreik
Thanks moneromooo
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arah
hello
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arah
how qt work with cmake for gui after last changes
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arah
compile on android with cmake wont work as before
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moneromooo
Try in #monero-gui
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arah
ok
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gingeropolous
oh man apple support called me!
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gingeropolous
they need to access something! or i need to call them to save my computer!
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niocbrrrrrr
gl
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sech1
Did apple support have strong indian accent? And used "sir" in every sentence?
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rbrunner
And did Apple support invade Microsoft support in a coup?
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burp
"I'm sorry that you have to do this!" was what I told the last scam caller (from India)
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burp
since they denied telling me my name
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xxnode
Hello guys
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xxnode
Im a noob here
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xxnode
hy isnt Monero listed on Coinbase?
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xxnode
why
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xxnode
Is it because its banned by the US govermnet or something?
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niocbrrrrrr
Kraken is in the US and has monero
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xxnode
Interesting
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xxnode
Is there any crypto that is banned by the US ( not allowed on exchanges) for any other reason than being a scam?
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niocbrrrrrr
some ICOs maybe
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moneromooo
FWIW, I've read that the coinbase boss is a zcash investor, and so pushes zcash and avoids monero. I've not checked whether true though.
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moneromooo
I think the US SEC sued some ICO makers, and basically let them off with some small percentage of what they (illegally) made as a fine.
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niocbrrrrrr
there are also other exchanges financially invested in zcash and they don't have monero either
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niocbrrrrrr
such as Gemini
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moneromooo
So, basically said gimme a cut and you're good to go.
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niocbrrrrrr
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xxnode
Isnt monero completely untraceable for even the NSA without any metada? Or am I wrong here? If so, wouldnt the US want to ban it?
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xxnode
If monero isnt completely untraceable, would the US ban a new crypto that actually completely destroys all metadata?
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sethsimmons
Metadata is, by definition, not really avoidable
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sethsimmons
And there is no precedent or clear reason why the US would ban a cryptocurrency that preserves user privacy.
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sethsimmons
Also, no coin, not even Monero, is technically untraceable, all privacy lives on a scale and depends on your adversaries/use-case
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sethsimmons
Monero is by far the best at preserving privacy for the average user, but that's no reason for a gov ban, and there has been no regulation to date that would indicate a ban is coming/possibly
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hyc
eh? in the absence of metadata, relying solely on blockchain data, no, you can never trace monero txs
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sethsimmons
I guess that would technically be true? If you had literally 0 data about the user/spend/etc
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sethsimmons
I wasn't meaning that phrase in a situation without metadata though, quite the opposite
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xxnode
sethsimmons @hyc So can you actually trace monero or not? For exaple the NSA?
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xxnode
oops sorry
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xxnode
did t sse the asnwer above
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sethsimmons
The normal answer is no
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sethsimmons
You should watch the Breaking Monero series on YouTube if you want details on what caveats can apply
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xxnode
Shouldnt they want to ban it aggainst criminal use then?
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xxnode
all the online drug vendors?
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sethsimmons
Why? They don’t ban cash or the US dollar?
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hyc
you mean like they ban the dollar?
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sethsimmons
*.
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sethsimmons
^^^
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xxnode
well because offline druglords get caught
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niocbrrrrrr
they closed down HSBC when they were caught laundering billions in drug money
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niocbrrrrrr
oh wait no they didn't
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sethsimmons
Lol
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xxnode
and if Im not mistaken, if monero is untraceable, online druglords dont get caught,
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niocbrrrrrr
nor did anyone at the bank get charged
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sethsimmons
There are many other ways to catch people
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niocbrrrrrr
they do other things besides transact $$$
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sethsimmons
You don’t need easily traced money to track down those doing “illegal” things
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sethsimmons
^^
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sethsimmons
I don’t get why people hone in on this “if money is private criminals will rule the world”
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xxnode
and what about the online drug markeplaces, they dont get caught either
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niocbrrrrrr
they do
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sethsimmons
They do and have gotten caught
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sethsimmons
And it’s rarely by tracking money
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xxnode
how then if monero is untraceable?
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sethsimmons
DNM vendors do a lot more in the real world than transact with digital cash
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niocbrrrrrr
the marketplaces are still known
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sethsimmons
They can be tracked many other ways
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niocbrrrrrr
and get infiltrated
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sethsimmons
Yup
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sethsimmons
People don’t just cease to exist in the real world if they use digital cash
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xxnode
No I mean the guys that run darknet marketplaces, for example that guy who ran silk road
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sethsimmons
We know what you mean
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xxnode
He didnt sell any drugs
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sethsimmons
It’s just wrong
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sethsimmons
Private money does not make criminals impossible to track down
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xxnode
But If m not wrong, he cant get caught then
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sethsimmons
It makes one angle more difficult
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sethsimmons
One of many angles
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sethsimmons
He very much could have gotten caught if Monero exists
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sethsimmons
*existed back then
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niocbrrrrrr
unless you are the 1% of people that can use btc without outing yourself, then ANYBODY can know your business
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niocbrrrrrr
this is the reason I use monero
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sethsimmons
0.001% of people honestly lol
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sethsimmons
And thats among a much more technical crowd than normal
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xxnode
with bitcoin you can not out yourself? I would expect this to be true for monero
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xxnode
idk this is confusing
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sethsimmons
There are (very difficult and costly) ways to preserve some privacy on Bitcoin
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sethsimmons
It’s much easier to get similar or stronger guarantees on Monero
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sethsimmons
Neither are perfect, but Monero grants much strong privacy for the vast majority of people
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sethsimmons
S/strong/stronger
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xxnode
sethsimmons well if they arent perfect then it sucks
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sethsimmons
Lmao
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xxnode
it should be perfect if its promoting the product
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sethsimmons
Go make a perfect tool with code and come back to me when its done
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sethsimmons
Especially where privacy is concerned, perfection is impossible
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sethsimmons
It’s a constant arms race, and Monero is winning handily and constantly iterating
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niocbrrrrrr
you have a btc address? anybody can see balances and transaction
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niocbrrrrrr
with monero nobody can do so
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niocbrrrrrr
it's like night and day
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niocbrrrrrr
information can even escape a black hole
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niocbrrrrrr
black holes evaporate
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niocbrrrrrr
so perfection does not exist
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morandi
why monero hashrate is so vertical and nodes so few
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yanmaani
vertical?
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morandi
high
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yanmaani
I think there's pretty many nodes?
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yanmaani
They really don't like SPV
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morandi
what is spv
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selsta
what makes you think that monero has few nodes?
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morandi
i had some links that talk about 4000+ nodes
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morandi
how to make nodes and daemon really one
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morandi
i mean that miners run customized monero
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morandi
will be better if every wallet has a node by default ?
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morandi
has daemon by default
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hyc
there are a few projects that try to map out the network. they max out at around 4000 nodes, but that's not the true size
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hyc
they're just not exhaustively polling all of the peerlists
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morandi
what i want to say is how to remove all this customized monero wtih expensive hardware and to leave only simple users!
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morandi
if simple users want to have monero they must run node and this must be done at protocol level!
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yanmaani
will definitely consider what you have said
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morandi
we must control miners
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morandi
i dont know how maybe to control their hashrate or fee
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morandi
if hashrate is > than 10% of the average dont accept block
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morandi
smth like this
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yanmaani
look, man, if you want to convince people, write out your ideas so that people can understand them
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selsta
don’t really understand what you are suggesting
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morandi
i dont know good english but is enough
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selsta
but according to one website Bitcoin has 10k nodes
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yanmaani
it's not possible to limit it like that. How would you know what % of the hashrate a miner has?
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yanmaani
selsta: neither is he
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selsta
Monero having 4k is not bad
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yanmaani
"what i want to say is how to remove all this customized monero wtih expensive hardware and to leave only simple users!" I genuinely do not understand what this means.
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morandi
this 4k was the same before 1year belive me
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morandi
so miners are almost the same!
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morandi
yanmaani randomx dont do what they say
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yanmaani
why not?
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morandi
nodes number are the same after more than one year
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morandi
so miners are the same people
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selsta
why would randomx result in more nodes?
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hyc
PoW algo doesn't have any impact on nodes
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hyc
it only affects miners
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hyc
miners are around 40,000
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morandi
im trying to say that simple users must control more of the network
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morandi
how to check miners numbers
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jwinterm
morandi is actually gpt-3?
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morandi
gpt-3 ?
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morandi
how to decrease miners power and to give it on simple users
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morandi
that is all
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jwinterm
morandi, miners only have the power to validate transaction ordering
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jwinterm
users set the rules
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jwinterm
it's not clear what you're trying to propose
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morandi
they can validate what is gain for them
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jwinterm
that doesn't even make sense
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lza_menace
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yanmaani
jwinterm: no, GPT-3 would have sharper remarks
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yanmaani
Once again it's a webchat user. Why don't we just ban the kiwis?
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morandi
u cant ban because this chat is not your property.im just having difficulty to express my thoughts nothing else
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morandi
how to put limit on miners gain
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morandi
this is the question
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hyc
morandi: can't be done
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hyc
they can just split all of their mining hardware into individual nodes and still have massive compute power