01:32:19 <sig_soured> hey everyone
03:13:06 <sig_soured> nick
05:06:18 <lza_menace> moneromooo: https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/ ?
05:10:55 <lza_menace> is there a way to tell if a node is running with Dandelion++ off?
10:59:54 <Adreik> Out of curiosity, is there a simple way to see how many transactions in total there are in the blockchain, or for a specific block range?
11:07:49 <moneromooo> mdb_stat -s txs_pruned ~/.bitmonero/lmdb (I think)
11:32:49 <Adreik> Thanks moneromooo
16:11:07 <arah> hello
16:11:37 <arah> how qt work with cmake for gui after last changes
16:11:52 <arah> compile on android with cmake wont work as before
16:12:03 <moneromooo> Try in #monero-gui
16:12:18 <arah> ok
19:10:41 <gingeropolous> oh man apple support called me!
19:11:01 <gingeropolous> they need to access something! or i need to call them to save my computer!
19:13:37 <niocbrrrrrr> gl
19:20:44 <sech1> Did apple support have strong indian accent? And used "sir" in every sentence?
19:21:20 <rbrunner> And did Apple support invade Microsoft support in a coup?
19:27:19 <burp> "I'm sorry that you have to do this!" was what I told the last scam caller (from India)
19:28:01 <burp> since they denied telling me my name
19:45:26 <xxnode> Hello guys
19:47:15 <xxnode> Im a noob here
19:47:34 <xxnode> hy isnt Monero listed on Coinbase?
19:47:47 <xxnode> why
19:48:09 <xxnode> Is it because its banned by the US govermnet or something?
19:49:01 <niocbrrrrrr> Kraken is in the US and has monero
19:49:40 <xxnode> Interesting
19:50:33 <xxnode> Is there any crypto that is banned by the US ( not allowed on exchanges) for any other reason than being a scam?
19:51:10 <niocbrrrrrr> some ICOs maybe
19:51:11 <moneromooo> FWIW, I've read that the coinbase boss is a zcash investor, and so pushes zcash and avoids monero. I've not checked whether true though.
19:52:05 <moneromooo> I think the US SEC sued some ICO makers, and basically let them off with some small percentage of what they (illegally) made as a fine.
19:52:13 <niocbrrrrrr> there are also other exchanges financially invested in zcash and they don't have monero either
19:52:26 <niocbrrrrrr> such as Gemini
19:52:27 <moneromooo> So, basically said gimme a cut and you're good to go.
19:53:05 <niocbrrrrrr> https://twitter.com/MoneroMemes/status/1284176676692402177
19:54:24 <xxnode> Isnt monero completely untraceable for even the NSA without any metada? Or am I wrong here?  If so, wouldnt the US want to  ban it?
19:58:08 <xxnode> If monero isnt completely untraceable, would the US ban a new crypto that actually completely destroys all metadata?
19:59:42 <sethsimmons> Metadata is, by definition, not really avoidable
20:00:00 <sethsimmons> And there is no precedent or clear reason why the US would ban a cryptocurrency that preserves user privacy.
20:00:26 <sethsimmons> Also, no coin, not even Monero, is technically untraceable, all privacy lives on a scale and depends on your adversaries/use-case
20:00:57 <sethsimmons> Monero is by far the best at preserving privacy for the average user, but that's no reason for a gov ban, and there has been no regulation to date that would indicate a ban is coming/possibly
20:07:23 <hyc> eh? in the absence of metadata, relying solely on blockchain data, no, you can never trace monero txs
20:10:28 <sethsimmons> I guess that would technically be true? If you had literally 0 data about the user/spend/etc
20:10:49 <sethsimmons> I wasn't meaning that phrase in a situation without metadata though, quite the opposite
20:18:42 <xxnode> sethsimmons @hyc So can you actually trace monero or not? For exaple the NSA?
20:19:03 <xxnode> oops sorry
20:19:12 <xxnode> did t sse the asnwer above
20:19:25 <sethsimmons> The normal answer is no
20:19:47 <sethsimmons> You should watch the Breaking Monero series on YouTube if you want details on what caveats can apply
20:19:52 <xxnode> Shouldnt they want to ban it aggainst criminal use then?
20:20:05 <xxnode> all the online drug vendors?
20:20:06 <sethsimmons> Why? They don’t ban cash or the US dollar?
20:20:08 <hyc> you mean like they ban the dollar?
20:20:09 <sethsimmons> *.
20:20:24 <sethsimmons> ^^^
20:20:57 <xxnode> well because offline druglords get caught
20:21:06 <niocbrrrrrr> they closed down HSBC when they were caught laundering billions in drug money
20:21:16 <niocbrrrrrr> oh wait no they didn't
20:21:16 <sethsimmons> Lol
20:21:20 <xxnode> and if Im not mistaken, if monero is untraceable, online druglords dont get caught,
20:21:33 <niocbrrrrrr> nor did anyone at the bank get charged
20:21:41 <sethsimmons> There are many other ways to catch people
20:21:58 <niocbrrrrrr> they do other things besides transact $$$
20:22:01 <sethsimmons> You don’t need easily traced money to track down those doing “illegal” things
20:22:08 <sethsimmons> ^^
20:23:09 <sethsimmons> I don’t get why people hone in on this “if money is private criminals will rule the world”
20:23:25 <xxnode> and what about the online drug markeplaces, they dont get caught either
20:23:35 <niocbrrrrrr> they do
20:23:37 <sethsimmons> They do and have gotten caught
20:23:40 <sethsimmons> And it’s rarely by tracking money
20:23:53 <xxnode> how then if monero is untraceable?
20:24:17 <sethsimmons> DNM vendors do a lot more in the real world than transact with digital cash
20:24:17 <niocbrrrrrr> the marketplaces are still known
20:24:23 <sethsimmons> They can be tracked many other ways
20:24:28 <niocbrrrrrr> and get infiltrated
20:24:34 <sethsimmons> Yup
20:24:47 <sethsimmons> People don’t just cease to exist in the real world if they use digital cash
20:26:43 <xxnode> No I mean the guys that run darknet marketplaces, for example that guy who ran silk road
20:27:11 <sethsimmons> We know what you mean
20:27:22 <xxnode> He didnt sell any drugs
20:27:22 <sethsimmons> It’s just wrong
20:27:27 <sethsimmons> Private money does not make criminals impossible to track down
20:27:41 <xxnode> But If m not wrong, he cant get caught then
20:27:42 <sethsimmons> It makes one angle more difficult
20:27:45 <sethsimmons> One of many angles
20:27:57 <sethsimmons> He very much could have gotten caught if Monero exists
20:28:01 <sethsimmons> *existed back then
20:29:17 <niocbrrrrrr> unless you are the 1% of people that can use btc without outing yourself, then ANYBODY can know your business
20:29:20 <niocbrrrrrr> this is the reason I use monero
20:29:36 <sethsimmons> 0.001% of people honestly lol
20:29:47 <sethsimmons> And thats among a much more technical crowd than normal
20:30:04 <xxnode> with bitcoin you can  not out yourself? I would expect this to be true for monero
20:30:17 <xxnode> idk this is confusing
20:30:36 <sethsimmons> There are (very difficult and costly) ways to preserve some privacy on Bitcoin
20:30:41 <sethsimmons> It’s much easier to get similar or stronger guarantees on Monero
20:30:58 <sethsimmons> Neither are perfect, but Monero grants much strong privacy for the vast majority of people
20:31:13 <sethsimmons> S/strong/stronger
20:32:38 <xxnode> sethsimmons well if they arent perfect then it sucks
20:32:52 <sethsimmons> Lmao
20:32:55 <xxnode> it should be perfect if its promoting the product
20:33:07 <sethsimmons> Go make a perfect tool with code and come back to me when its done
20:33:34 <sethsimmons> Especially where privacy is concerned, perfection is impossible
20:33:46 <sethsimmons> It’s a constant arms race, and Monero is winning handily and constantly iterating
20:34:06 <niocbrrrrrr> you have a btc address? anybody can see balances and transaction
20:34:09 <niocbrrrrrr> with monero nobody can do so
20:34:39 <niocbrrrrrr> it's like night and day
20:35:12 <niocbrrrrrr> information can even escape a black hole
20:35:40 <niocbrrrrrr> black holes evaporate
20:35:56 <niocbrrrrrr> so perfection does not exist
21:23:22 <morandi> why monero hashrate is so vertical and nodes so few
21:24:12 <yanmaani> vertical?
21:24:32 <morandi> high
21:24:46 <yanmaani> I think there's pretty many nodes?
21:24:50 <yanmaani> They really don't like SPV
21:25:09 <morandi> what is spv
21:25:21 <selsta> what makes you think that monero has few nodes?
21:25:54 <morandi> i had some links that talk about 4000+ nodes
21:28:05 <morandi> how to make nodes and daemon really one
21:28:14 <morandi> i mean that miners run customized monero
21:35:40 <morandi> will be better if every wallet has a node by default ?
21:35:49 <morandi> has daemon by default
21:38:51 <hyc> there are a few projects that try to map out the network. they max out at around 4000 nodes, but that's not the true size
21:39:02 <hyc> they're just not exhaustively polling all of the peerlists
21:40:52 <morandi> what i want to say is how to remove all this customized monero wtih expensive hardware and to leave only simple users!
21:41:37 <morandi> if simple users want to have monero they must run node and this must be done at protocol level!
21:44:50 <yanmaani> will definitely consider what you have said
21:45:57 <morandi> we must control miners
21:46:18 <morandi> i dont know how maybe to control their hashrate or fee
21:46:57 <morandi> if hashrate is > than 10% of the average dont accept block
21:46:59 <morandi> smth like this
21:47:06 <yanmaani> look, man, if you want to convince people, write out your ideas so that people can understand them
21:47:21 <selsta> don’t really understand what you are suggesting
21:47:24 <morandi> i dont know good english but is enough
21:47:30 <selsta> but according to one website Bitcoin has 10k nodes
21:47:31 <yanmaani> it's not possible to limit it like that. How would you know what % of the hashrate a miner has?
21:47:33 <yanmaani> selsta: neither is he
21:47:46 <selsta> Monero having 4k is not bad
21:48:08 <yanmaani> "what i want to say is how to remove all this customized monero wtih expensive hardware and to leave only simple users!" I genuinely do not understand what this means.
21:48:13 <morandi> this 4k was the same before 1year belive me
21:48:20 <morandi> so miners are almost the same!
21:49:17 <morandi> yanmaani  randomx dont do what they say
21:49:24 <yanmaani> why not?
21:49:40 <morandi> nodes number are the same after more than one year
21:49:52 <morandi> so miners are the same people
21:49:52 <selsta> why would randomx result in more nodes?
21:49:54 <hyc> PoW algo doesn't have any impact on nodes
21:50:03 <hyc> it only affects miners
21:50:20 <hyc> miners are around 40,000
21:50:52 <morandi> im trying to say that simple users must control more of the network
21:52:51 <morandi> how to check miners numbers
21:54:26 <jwinterm> morandi is actually gpt-3?
21:54:54 <morandi> gpt-3 ?
21:56:44 <morandi> how to decrease miners power and to give it on simple users
21:56:48 <morandi> that is all
21:57:01 <jwinterm> morandi, miners only have the power to validate transaction ordering
21:57:09 <jwinterm> users set the rules
21:57:21 <jwinterm> it's not clear what you're trying to propose
21:57:43 <morandi> they can validate what is gain for them
21:58:25 <jwinterm> that doesn't even make sense
22:05:30 <lza_menace> jwinterm: https://thoughts.sushant-kumar.com/morandi
22:05:33 <yanmaani> jwinterm: no, GPT-3 would have sharper remarks
22:06:19 <yanmaani> Once again it's a webchat user. Why don't we just ban the kiwis?
22:13:02 <morandi> u cant ban because this chat is not your property.im just having difficulty to express my thoughts nothing else
22:15:26 <morandi> how to put limit on miners gain
22:15:38 <morandi> this is the question
22:52:15 <hyc> morandi: can't be done
22:52:38 <hyc> they can just split all of their mining hardware into individual nodes and still have massive compute power