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doktoro
imagine having the ability to hack every important twitter account and you use it to only make 120k~
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niocbrrrrrr
white hat service funded by idiots
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strike
doktoro: more like ~$250K
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tryphe
doktoro, and not even do anything provocative, just derail their feed to advertise your ponzi. might as well break into someone'
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tryphe
might as well break into someone's house just to take a poo
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jbg
you're assuming that the "double your crypto" scam was the real purpose of the hack
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jbg
could be a diversion, or part of a wider plan
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tryphe
the best part is news outlets claiming the btc was stolen. yet they gave it away.
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tryphe
you have to question the rhetoric of a society where finite assets are "insurable" by infinite fiat, yet btc that was given away was "stolen"
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doktoro
amazing that people fall for this kind of shit. I remember back when I played runescape as a child and saw someone saying they were doubling money and I knew immediately it was a scam.
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strike
doktoro: i remember first seeing "double your bitcoin" tor hidden service scams in like 2011 lmao, they all had urls like 22222xxxx.onion lol
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gingeropolous
yes yes aha aha you see you see?
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gingeropolous
so, its made so that the miners can effectively mandate the emission curve in some far distant future
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gingeropolous
say, 40 years. So, for example, lets just say in 40 years we increase the block reward from 0.6 xmr to, i dunno, 6 xmr, for a period of one year
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gingeropolous
in the interum, you have people positioning themselves for this .... event. Mining infrastructure, economies....
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gingeropolous
its different than an airdrop because its effectively a planned era of increased money supply
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gingeropolous
not necessarily to holders of the tokens or whatever
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gingeropolous
because it would really only benefit the miners, and those who mine
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gingeropolous
so obviously miners are going to vote for more mining rewards. but could they hold the line for 40 years?
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tryphe
i guess that makes sense. make them give it away -> make them buy it back
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tryphe
but why does the scam have to be run by miners and not some 15 year old?
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gingeropolous
if the vote mechanism is something absurd like median of the last 80 years worth of blocks
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gingeropolous
wat?
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Steven_M
Hi all :-) Is this method still an acceptable way of spending from a cold wallet with the latest version?:
monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…-cold-transaction-signing/5655#5655
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Steven_M
I keep getting this message: 2020-07-16 05:25:41.026 W There were 22 blocks in the last 90 minutes, there might be large hash rate changes, or we might be partitioned, cut off from the Monero network or under attack, or your computer's time is off. Or it could be just sheer bad luck.
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Steven_M
but my block height matches moneroblocks.info, should I ignore the message?
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niocbrrrrrr
yes you can ignore
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niocbrrrrrr
I have the same and it's not unusual
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Steven_M
niocbrrrrrr: thanks :-) Do you know the answer to my previous question as well?
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niocbrrrrrr
no
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Steven_M
niocbrrrrrr: K, thanks anyway :-)
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jbg
tryphe: imagine i stand in front of a hotel, and you drive up in your nice car, and i pretend to be the valet, and you give me your keys
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jbg
and i drive off in your car and you never see me again
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jbg
did i steal your car?
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jbg
i agree that the people who lost their BTC are incredibly stupid
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jbg
but i still think it's theft
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jbg
there is some kind of contract implied here: give your BTC, and get 2x back. if the person offering the contract in fact intends to just take the BTC and run (which i agree should be obvious any time someone offers you such a deal), then that is theft
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niocbrrrrrr
if it sounds to good to be true.......................
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niocbrrrrrr
"contract"
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Steven_M
jbg: I agree
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Steven_M
moneromooo: Is this method still an acceptable way of spending from a cold wallet with the latest version?:
monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…-cold-transaction-signing/5655#5655
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lza_menace[m]
If I choose to run a node behind a reverse proxy do I need to broadcast a different port so that other nodes can connect to mine?
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moneromooo
Steven_M: reading quickly, yes. Why do you think it might not ?
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Steven_M
moneromooo: sorry for my late reply. just making sure because software and best practices change over time, and articles (like the one I linked) get outdated.
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Steven_M
moneromooo: Follow-up question: Once a key_images file from a cold wallet is imported into a view-only wallet, is the view-only wallet turned into a full hot wallet?
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moneromooo
No.
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Steven_M
moneromooo: okay thanks. :-)
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moneromooo
Wait.
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moneromooo
I got confused. Yes. I interpreted that as "is the view-only wallet turned into a full cold wallet", since the opposite made no sense as it already is a hot wallet.
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Steven_M
moneromooo: Oh, that leads me to another question, but I'll have to ask it tomorrow.
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Adreik
But private keys capable of spending XMR can't be extracted from key image I = x*Hash(x*G)
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Adreik
right?
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Steven_M
Goodnight :-)
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Adreik
I believe that's what he was asking
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Steven_M
Adreik: in essence yes, I was asking that
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Steven_M
Goodnight :-)
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Adreik
Well, we have no idea how to extract it in a reasonable time-frame with computers and algorithms as they exist today, anyway
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moneromooo
Key images are one way. Otherwise it'd be completely broken, miners could steal your money.
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Adreik
I meant that as "In principle, given *arbitrarily powerful* computing resources, one could make a brute force attempt on the key image, or use quantum computers to solve for it".
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Adreik
But such a thing is out of scope
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moneromooo
If you have arbitrarily powerful computing resources, you can determine which set of input secrets and public data yield a given key image...
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» moneromooo not sure whether there is a point here
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Adreik
It's not that it's impossible to extract the private key from the key image for an output (as I had said earlier, stating that it *can't be* extracted from the key image), it's that doing so will take as much effort as extracting finding private keys from the address and is considered impossible for practical purposes
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moneromooo
Ah, pedantry, fair enough. You're right :)
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moneromooo
Well, if we're being pedantic, I shuldn't say you're right. I should say I think you're mostly right.
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Adreik
On a somewhat related note to what data is safe to hand around, I am very certain (but feel it's best to check) that tx_key for proving spending is r in R=rG, the "transaction private key", *NOT* the "one-time private key" for the transaction, x=Hash(aR)+b? i.e. if you give an auditor your private view key and address, your output export file and
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Adreik
so on, and give them get_spend_proof data they can't calculate the spendkey?
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Adreik
Ah, not get_spend_proof, I mean get_tx_key
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moneromooo
It is r.
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Adreik
How come if you enter "get_tx_key [transaction id of transaction you recieved]" into a watch-only wallet it can't be generated them?
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Adreik
*then?
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moneromooo
Because they are randomly generated, not determinisic.
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Adreik
Right, makes sense I misread something in the whitepaper
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bigslim[m]
Anyone use bitrefill? Is it legit?
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asymptotically
bigslim[m]: i got some steam gift cards there a few years ago, no problems
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bigslim[m]
Wondering if anyone use them more recently. Iirc I used Paxful for some Best Buy cards last fall no issues
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doktoro
Anyone know any active IRC channels that are interesting that may attract people with an interest in Monero? Relatively new to IRC.
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moneromooo
#monero-research-lab, #monero-pow
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moneromooo
#monero-dev
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moneromooo
FSVO active/interesting :)
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niocbrrrrrr
#monero-community
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doktoro
Yeah, I'm already in most of the monero channels. Was hoping for channels that werent specifically monero related :)
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Mochi101
Well, ##not-monero-pools is pretty awesome
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gingeropolous
oh my. do i dare go in there
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lza_menace
do you guys know if I need to publish my node's port if I'm serving it behind a reverse proxy? will other nodes be able to peer without issue?
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moneromooo
Does connecting to the port monerod binds on from the outside connect to monerod ?
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lza_menace
no
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lza_menace
node.suchwow.xyz:443 (traefik) -> localhost:34568 (wownerod)
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lza_menace
only allowing 80 and 443 inbound
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moneromooo
Then no.
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moneromooo
Er.
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moneromooo
Then yes.
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lza_menace
yes, I will need to specify the ports which my node can be reached?
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lza_menace
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lza_menace
this is how I'm running it now