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Steven_M
Please see my question in #monero-otc
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itcomesfromchina
How do I access that
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yanmaani
/join #monero-otc
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yanmaani
itcomesfromchina: ^
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itcomesfromchina
says not invited
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yanmaani
works fine for me
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itcomesfromchina
I think i need an irc client
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itcomesfromchina
can that be joined from with riotweb?
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itcomesfromchina
within*
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yanmaani
Yeah you can join IRC channels from riotweb
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yanmaani
you go to join and you type in #monero-otc and you select freenode
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yanmaani
iirc
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Steven_M
Is the URL of the homepage meant to be web.getmonero.org, instead of ww.getmonero.org now?
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Steven_M
anyone?
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niocbrrrrrr
Steven_M: don't think it matters
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Steven_M
niocbrrrrrr: okay, thanks. :)
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Steven_M
Hi all. :-)
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Steven_M
I'm trying to sync a node that's 8 months behind (long story). Do these errors matter, or should I ignore them and carry on syncing?
dpaste.org/LhXP
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Steven_M
I'm trying to sync a node that's 8 months behind (long story). Do these errors matter, or should I ignore them and carry on syncing?
dpaste.org/LhXP
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xmrmatterbridge
<rbrunner7> Not sure, never seen that particular message. Maybe try the `flush_cache` and `flush_txpool` interactive daemon commands, maybe the problems vanish then
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Steven_M
xmrmatterbridge: okay, thanks :)
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Steven_M
xmrmatterbridge: seems to be okay
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Steven_M
xmrmatterbridge: also monerod is ignoring the --p2p-bind-port= switch
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Steven_M
goodnight all :)
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azy
<3
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azy
xmr.to isnt available in england huh
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azy
when the subaddress is 8BmRape... :(
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gingeropolous
lulz
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gingeropolous
new seed! new seed!
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gingeropolous
i've totally abandoned addresses because the seed wasn't poetically appealing
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asymptotically
i only use abbey abbey abbey abbey ...
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gingeropolous
best address
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domovoy
hi
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domovoy
is there any way tu buy monero whith only my visa infos? any site i find says something like "we may ask a selfie holding your id". Why the hell is that needed? i can buy anything on amazon, ebay, whatever with just my credit card, why would monero be different?
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hyc
there's a high percentage of credit card fraud when buying crypto. they're jus ttrying to cover their asses
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domovoy
hyc: well, frommy point of view, that makes _me_ afraid of a fraud: "i gave you my credit card infos, and now you also want my id? hmmmm..."
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domovoy
hyc: on top of that, credit card fraud is a risk on any online payment, that's why there are systems like confirming the payment with a code sent on my mobile
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domovoy
security systems already exists, why not use them? really, that doesn't make me confident in buying crypto...
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domovoy
so, no service that would sell me monero using simply, and only, a secure credit card payment?
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asymptotically
what country are you in domovoy?
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domovoy
asymptotically: france
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hyc
domovoy: indeed, doing ID verification puts you at greater risk
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asymptotically
you could use purse.io to get BTC and exchange it for XMR, but you'd get quite horrible rates. especially as a new account
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hyc
but these aren't like normal purchases. if you buy regular merchandise, you could claim to never receive the product, but shipping verification will prove you did.
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hyc
if you claim never to receive your XMR, you can demand a refund thru the credit card company, and seller must pay up. the coins will be gone, wherever they went.
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hyc
sellers won't accept that risk.
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domovoy
hyc: well, there is the risk, but my main thing is i can't reconcile "private, untraceable" with "give me every bit of info you can about yourself"
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hyc
that's a non-argument
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hyc
once you have the monero in your wallet, there is no link to any of that info
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domovoy
hyc: well, the guy/service who sold me the monero have my monero address, my credit card infos, and my id, doesn't he?
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hyc
he has an address, yes, but that doesn't have any link to your actual wallet
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hyc
since Monero uses stealth addresses, the address that appears in the blockchain is completely different from the address he sent to
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hyc
it *is* completely private and untraceable.
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domovoy
i see
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hyc
if you use the same receive address with multiple sellers, they could all know you are the same customer, of course.
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hyc
but there is no evidence of that fact in the blockchain itself.
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hyc
so yes, giving out your ID puts you at risk of them using your identity for other fraud
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hyc
or, having your ID stolen if their customer database is hacked/leaked
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hyc
and those are pretty shitty outcomes
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hyc
but it doesn't have any bearing on the privacy or anonymity of Monero that you bought
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domovoy
still it's a pity a secure credit card payment is not considered enough... any advice on a service? i found so many, how to know they are legit/won't keep my infos/won't give it away?
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hyc
sorry, I have no advice on that, been out of the loop for a while now.
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hyc
back when I was looking, you could expect to pay at least 10% over market rate for a credit card purchase
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hyc
some as high as 40% premium
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hyc
* I used to run monerodirect.com, our credit card processor charged us 10% to accept a payment
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hyc
we added our own 1% markup. so we made 1% in profit on each sale. it was kind of pointless
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hyc
ironic that they made more money per sale than we did, and then they got bought out by another company, who dropped us because they had a no-crypto policy
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hyc
it is ridiculously hard to run a crypto/fiat business, make a reasonable profit, and not have to charge ridiculous prices
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domovoy
i was thinking about mailing cash, but the sites i found doesn't have user reviews from that long ago, hard to trust
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azy
tried localmonero.co?
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hyc
if you find any sites that accept SEPA payments, I'd go with that
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hyc
we were looking to get that set up but then gave up and closed the company
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hyc
we never even earned enough to cover our website hosting costs...
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domovoy
hyc: sepa payments asks the same as credit card: id proof. I actually don't know the difference, appart from the numbers you input
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hyc
SEPA payments are bank to bank, with no fees. so they're usually faster and cheaper for the merchant than credit cards
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hyc
I would think they're harder to forge too, since you usually need the user's PIN and online banking password to send one
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hyc
but I guess fraud still happens with them
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dEBRUYNE
Kraken has sepa fwiw
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dEBRUYNE
You will have to go through a verification process first, but thereafter you can simply wire funds to Kraken (via SEPA) and buy Monero directly on the XMR/EUR pair
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moneromooo
The sender can prove a payment to address A was made. If the recipient still claims not to have received, that's their problem.
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rbrunner
Something stupid for a slow Saturday afternoon:
0xmonero.com
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hyc
as I recall, of the few banks we contacted who would allow crypto business, none of them had a convenient API for receiving SEPA payments
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hyc
i.e., we wouldn't get instant notification of an incoming payment, so couldn't fully automate the purchase of coins
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pen1sMasturbati0
can't you parse a web interface of the account with a bot?
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hyc
maybe. sounds gross. didn't tryu.
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pen1sMasturbati0
gross but faster than manual review of sepa transfers
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hyc
you have to keep poking the page to prevent it from timing out
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Mochi101
He just kept pushing it hey.
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rbrunner
And pulling ...
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azy
kek
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binaryFate
Jackman2: no spam please, thank you
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Jackman2
don't threaten me
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Jackman2
I put you on my ignore lisy
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Jackman2
list
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hyc
^ ignoring a warning from a channel op really isn't very smart
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as2333
does the ring singature scheme make it progressively hard to track transactions as time goes by and things get more 'mixed'? (sorry about the sloppy language)
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Jackman1
it's not time dependent AFAIK as2333
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as2333
Jackman1, so every transaction has the same 'plausible deniability' shared (only) by the members of the ring signature?
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Jackman1
eh monero is better than bitcoin coinjoin
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as2333
I guess, because you're taking public keys from the whole chain to create the ring signature.
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Jackman1
I think you are thinking about monero as simply being bitcoin with built-in coinjoin?
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Jackman1
ok
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Jackman1
dude I'm not good enough to explain how it works but there was thi kraken pdf
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as2333
I'm not, that's why I was wondering how far the 'mixing' goes.
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Jackman1
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Jackman1
it's more than simply mixing
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as2333
again I know =)
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Jackman1
lol
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Jackman1
well I remember I don't have to worry about traceability
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Jackman1
the kraken report have some nice simple straightforward explanations of how it works
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Inge-
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Inge-
as2333: monero privacy is multi-faceted. Your address is nowhere on the blockchain. The amounts are hidden. And when you spend, it is not possible on-chain to determine which of 11 outputs where the one that was spent (and even *with* that information, the amount and the origination and destination addresses are not there)
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as2333
Inge-, I know about the amounts being hidden as well as destination addresses.
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as2333
Inge-, I also know about the ring signature...I was wondering about a detail of its working. I guess my original question isn't correctly framed
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binaryFate
as2333: The number of rings that will include your output will grow over time. As time goes by, people keep including your output in their transactions' rings. If that's what you meant
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as2333
binaryFate, so there's a chance that a randomly picked output is used in more than one signature. Does that enhance privacy?
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binaryFate
Yes, everytime someone uses your output in their ring, this looks like a potential spend of your output.
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dsc_
stupid questions time
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binaryFate
And "there's a chance that a randomly picked output is used in more than one signature" yes it's at least used when actually spend, but typically appear many more times
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binaryFate
in many different rings in many different transactions
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dsc_
can you call RPC method `make_integrated_address` on a RPC instance that's using a view-only wallet? (I would assume so, just double checking)
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binaryFate
dsc_ not sure, best to try :) or maybe someone in monero-dev knows for sure
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dsc_
ill try as to not disturb the gods :)
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as2333
binaryFate, I see. Thanks!