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Copenhagen_Bram
Hello
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Copenhagen_Bram
I didn't know it would be so hard to buy monero.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Exodus doesn't seem to be able to trade Bitcoin for Monero right now. Morphtoken blocks the United States, Bisq requires a huge security deposit, and I'm waiting on Shapeshift to verify my nondriver's license ID.
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anon_8254825
Sorry, Monero, a decentralized protocol, can't enact regulatory change. Kraken is also a good choice, but requires kyc.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Hmm.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Hey I know it's not Monero's fault every centralized exchange hates privacy.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Oh crap, is there an offtopic channel I need to talk about this in?
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» Copenhagen_Bram scans the topic carefully
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niocbrrrrrr
they may know you bought it but not what you do with it, just like cash
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niocbrrrrrr
go to bank and withdraw cash, they know you have the cash but not what you do with it
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moneromooo
(you think)
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Copenhagen_Bram
but with cash you don't need to run a full node in a whonix machine on a qubes laptop to get the most privacy
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moneromooo
Right. You only need gloves and swapping with friends for the serial numbers.
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niocbrrrrrr
monero is good to transfer over distance
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niocbrrrrrr
I tried to use a fax machine with cash but it doesn't work that well
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Copenhagen_Bram
<moneromooo> Right. You only need gloves and swapping with friends for the serial numbers.
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Copenhagen_Bram
It's socially acceptable to wear gloves during the pandemic, and you can swap cash between cashiers
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Copenhagen_Bram
Hey... If we make paper monero wallets, we'll have the advantages of both!
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Copenhagen_Bram
Maybe.
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moneromooo
Typo. You forgot "dis".
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UkoeHB_
Maybe morphtoken with a VPN
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UkoeHB_
Shapeshift didn't used to have any KYC, that's new
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Copenhagen_Bram
<UkoeHB_> Maybe morphtoken with a VPN
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Copenhagen_Bram
Or Tor. But what if they trace the bitcoin transactions back to the US?
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UkoeHB_
I suppose that's a risk
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UkoeHB_
I think it's a bit overoptimistic to think all the problems with making a fungible digital currency are solved or even solvable.
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derpy_bridge
<[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Try changenow.io with a VPN, worst case scenario they'll refund you your crypto
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asymptotically
or worst case scenario they just keep your coins and ignore you forever :D
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xmrmatterbridge
<rbrunner7> Yeah, "just refunding" is a mighty optimistic worst case scenario ...
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magnum90
which is the different between block hash and transaction hash
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magnum90
which is the difference between block hash and transaction hash
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magnum90
or why tx hashs appear for first time in block 1009810
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asymptotically
what do you mean for the first time? all transactions have a hash
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magnum90
if u go block explorer u'll c number of txs
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magnum90
before 1009810 always zero
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asymptotically
go back further, 1009786 has a non-mining reward transaction in it too
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magnum90
yea
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magnum90
when tx is on the block what this means
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asymptotically
it means that the block contains that transaction. so the miner saw it on the mempool and decided to include it in their block
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asymptotically
the hash is just a unique identifier for each transaction based on its contents
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magnum90
when there is not txs?
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asymptotically
when there's no transaction in a block it just means that nobody was sending monero at that time
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magnum90
is only mining?
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magnum90
there is transaction version bigger than 2?
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zhangsan
q
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zhangsan
quit
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sergei
Hi, I am not a monero or bitcoin expert. I run into this statement on "spacemesh.io" website. I'd like to hear how the last paragraph applies or does not apply to monero.
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sergei
A good consensus algorithm must prevent a malicious sender from introducing a new message into the exchange, claiming to have received it from another. It must also allow senders to sign a message in a way that the receivers can verify that the message is authentic and originated from the sender. Senders should not be able to forge the signature of other senders; thus no one can change the contents of a message other than its
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sergei
original author.
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sergei
The Bitcoin consensus algorithm is pretty straightforward: not all blocks produced go into the blockchain, and basically the longest chain wins, whoever succeeds in creating the next proof of work first can extend the chain with its block, and all other produced blocks at the same height are discarded. All that mining and energy spent for nothing.
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» anicow waves
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anicow
here is a good thing, confirmed working
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anicow
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anicow
it is a set of scripts, end-user focused. you can have your personal vpn running within the hour. works on as little as 1GB containers.
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anicow
maybe 512m but i didnt try that
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moneromooo
Monero mostly works the same as Bitcoin here, except an observer can not verify a message (transaction I assume) came from a particular sender.
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sergei
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sergei
Given that it is a race to the finish line, does not that mean that however uses the highest computing capacity has a better chance to win? The way I read it is that there is no point to even try to mine monero on a PC. Chance to get anything is close to zero. "whoever succeeds in creating the next proof of work first can extend the chain with its block, and all other produced blocks at the same height are discarded. All that
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sergei
mining and energy spent for nothing."
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moneromooo
Chance to get anything is about your hash rate over the network hash rate every two minutes.
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moneromooo
Mining is a progress-less process consisting of lots of small bits of work. Having done N before does not make you closer to finding a solution. This might be your wrong assumption.
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jimbob2321
join #monero-community
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a8_
what does this mean
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a8_
2020-06-04 21:45:31.035 E Consistency failure in m_blocks_hash_check construction
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moneromooo
It means a probable bug in the code that checks block hashes sent by peers.
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a8_
what can i do about it
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moneromooo
Nothing.
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moneromooo
Well, unless you're a coder who wants to debug it.
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moneromooo
Are you ?
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a8_
im not srry
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moneromooo
Then nothing.
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moneromooo
It's very rare, so you can just ignore it. It'll do it again and work.