01:18:55 <Copenhagen_Bram> Hello
01:19:06 <Copenhagen_Bram> I didn't know it would be so hard to buy monero.
01:20:14 <Copenhagen_Bram> Exodus doesn't seem to be able to trade Bitcoin for Monero right now. Morphtoken blocks the United States, Bisq requires a huge security deposit, and I'm waiting on Shapeshift to verify my nondriver's license ID.
01:26:43 <anon_8254825> Sorry, Monero, a decentralized protocol, can't enact regulatory change. Kraken is also a good choice, but requires kyc.
01:31:02 <Copenhagen_Bram> Hmm.
01:31:33 <Copenhagen_Bram> Hey I know it's not Monero's fault every centralized exchange hates privacy.
01:33:35 <Copenhagen_Bram> Oh crap, is there an offtopic channel I need to talk about this in?
01:33:46 * Copenhagen_Bram scans the topic carefully
01:40:05 <niocbrrrrrr> they may know you bought it but not what you do with it, just like cash
01:41:05 <niocbrrrrrr> go to bank and withdraw cash, they know you have the cash but not what you do with it
01:43:46 <moneromooo> (you think)
01:47:06 <Copenhagen_Bram> but with cash you don't need to run a full node in a whonix machine on a qubes laptop to get the most privacy
01:47:56 <moneromooo> Right. You only need gloves and swapping with friends for the serial numbers.
01:48:49 <niocbrrrrrr> monero is good to transfer over distance
01:49:16 <niocbrrrrrr> I tried to use a fax machine with cash but it doesn't work that well
01:50:27 <Copenhagen_Bram> <moneromooo> Right. You only need gloves and swapping with friends for the serial numbers.
01:51:08 <Copenhagen_Bram> It's socially acceptable to wear gloves during the pandemic, and you can swap cash between cashiers
01:52:53 <Copenhagen_Bram> Hey... If we make paper monero wallets, we'll have the advantages of both!
01:52:57 <Copenhagen_Bram> Maybe.
01:53:30 <moneromooo> Typo. You forgot "dis".
02:19:41 <UkoeHB_> Maybe morphtoken with a VPN
02:20:23 <UkoeHB_> Shapeshift didn't used to have any KYC, that's new
03:01:28 <Copenhagen_Bram> <UkoeHB_> Maybe morphtoken with a VPN
03:02:52 <Copenhagen_Bram> Or Tor. But what if they trace the bitcoin transactions back to the US?
03:14:47 <UkoeHB_> I suppose that's a risk
03:16:18 <UkoeHB_> I think it's a bit overoptimistic to think all the problems with making a fungible digital currency are solved or even solvable.
11:52:29 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Yonatan#6948>: Try changenow.io with a VPN, worst case scenario they'll refund you your crypto
12:00:51 <asymptotically> or worst case scenario they just keep your coins and ignore you forever :D
12:05:44 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Yeah, "just refunding" is a mighty optimistic worst case scenario ...
12:34:58 <magnum90> which is the different between block hash and transaction hash
12:35:10 <magnum90> which is the difference between block hash and transaction hash
12:39:34 <magnum90> or why tx hashs appear for first time in block 1009810
12:41:19 <asymptotically> what do you mean for the first time? all transactions have a hash
12:41:38 <magnum90> if u go block explorer u'll c number of txs
12:41:57 <magnum90> before 1009810 always zero
12:42:28 <asymptotically> go back further, 1009786 has a non-mining reward transaction in it too
12:42:49 <magnum90> yea
12:43:09 <magnum90> when tx is on the block what this means
12:43:36 <asymptotically> it means that the block contains that transaction. so the miner saw it on the mempool and decided to include it in their block
12:43:52 <asymptotically> the hash is just a unique identifier for each transaction based on its contents
12:44:30 <magnum90> when there is not txs?
12:45:01 <asymptotically> when there's no transaction in a block it just means that nobody was sending monero at that time
12:45:12 <magnum90> is only mining?
13:02:47 <magnum90> there is transaction version bigger than 2?
14:03:16 <zhangsan> q
14:03:27 <zhangsan> quit
19:35:13 <sergei> Hi, I am not a monero or bitcoin expert.  I run into this statement on "spacemesh.io" website.  I'd like to hear how the last paragraph applies or does not apply to monero.
19:35:21 <sergei> A good consensus algorithm must prevent a malicious sender from introducing a new message into the exchange, claiming to have received it from another. It must also allow senders to sign a message in a way that the receivers can verify that the message is authentic and originated from the sender. Senders should not be able to forge the signature of other senders; thus no one can change the contents of a message other than its
19:35:21 <sergei> original author.
19:35:21 <sergei> The Bitcoin consensus algorithm is pretty straightforward: not all blocks produced go into the blockchain, and basically the longest chain wins, whoever succeeds in creating the next proof of work first can extend the chain with its block, and all other produced blocks at the same height are discarded. All that mining and energy spent for nothing.
19:35:54 * anicow waves
19:36:11 <anicow> here is a good thing, confirmed working
19:36:25 <anicow> https://www.tecmint.com/create-own-ipsec-vpn-server-in-linux/
19:37:05 <anicow> it is a set of scripts, end-user focused. you can have your personal vpn running within the hour. works on as little as 1GB containers.
19:38:01 <anicow> maybe 512m but i didnt try that
19:38:11 <moneromooo> Monero mostly works the same as Bitcoin here, except an observer can not verify a message (transaction I assume) came from a particular sender.
19:41:27 <sergei> Paragraphs I quoted come from this article: https://spacemesh.io/byzantine-agreement-algorithms-and-dolev-strong/
19:44:09 <sergei> Given that it is a race to the finish line, does not that mean that however uses the highest computing capacity has a better chance to win?  The way I read it is that there is no point to even try to mine monero on a PC.  Chance to get anything is close to zero.       "whoever succeeds in creating the next proof of work first can extend the chain with its block, and all other produced blocks at the same height are discarded. All that
19:44:09 <sergei> mining and energy spent for nothing."
19:45:38 <moneromooo> Chance to get anything is about your hash rate over the network hash rate every two minutes.
19:46:29 <moneromooo> Mining is a progress-less process consisting of lots of small bits of work. Having done N before does not make you closer to finding a solution. This might be your wrong assumption.
21:16:49 <jimbob2321> join #monero-community
21:46:16 <a8_> what does this mean
21:46:18 <a8_> 2020-06-04 21:45:31.035 E Consistency failure in m_blocks_hash_check construction
21:48:07 <moneromooo> It means a probable bug in the code that checks block hashes sent by peers.
21:50:32 <a8_> what can i do about it
21:51:05 <moneromooo> Nothing.
21:51:18 <moneromooo> Well, unless you're a coder who wants to debug it.
21:51:33 <moneromooo> Are you ?
22:01:37 <a8_> im not srry
22:01:59 <moneromooo> Then nothing.
22:02:31 <moneromooo> It's very rare, so you can just ignore it. It'll do it again and work.