I'm looking forward to that Ultranet thing to hit r/Monero

whats that

"Look, our technology is beautiful and sound. You'd truly appreciate it if you woudln't get hung up on our misuse of a fundamental term of art"

So, finally there's a use for all those al qaeda bitcoin's out there.

Some fuckers keep mining on my node. I must be doing something wrong

In my monerod.conf I have: rpc-bind-ip=192.168.1.5 and confirm-external-bind=1 and somehow that's allowing people to access my node VIA RPC

Shouldn't RPC access only be permitted on my LAN with my settings?

is there a list of public tor p2p nodes somewhere?

Infinity8: I think depends on your firewall

epic: moneroworld.com

or port forwarding, not sure

I would run in restricted mode.

selsta: My port 18080-18081 is open

Would that be why?

restrict 18081

18081 is the rpc port

but then he can't use rpc himself.

I'm only accessing it through LAN

Is monerod running on a linux machine?

yes

Okay. I have this option in my router. Internal and external starting port

So you can access it via ssh

d4ndo[m]: why? not port forwarding 18081 shouldn’t matter for LAN

Either way. My node is mining for some reason and doesn't stop mining when I move my mouse

It's so laggy

so it doesn't seem like smart mining

Even my sync time from monero-wallet-cli seems to slow down in my experience

selsta: 18080-18081 is open on my router not my firewall

Yeah so when I leave out the RPC bind I can't set the node as my daemon in monero-wallet-cli

selsta: ok - So block 18081 on FORWARD chain? Couldn't tell you.

Okay well 18081 is closed now

Why not run monerod on default settings and just run "ssh -nNT -L 18081:localhost:18081 user⊙111" on the client side.

this creates an ssh tunnel of 18081.

so you can run monero-wallet-cli with default settings.

Does it speed up syncing

Seems like the same speed as using set_daemon

typing*

I guess it saves me the time of figuring out a config file for monero-wallet-cli

Is mining disabled by default in monerod?

no

What do I enter in my config file? bg-mining-enable=0?

I couldn't tell you. My guess it runs the mining on a different process id. So it makes no difference 0 or 1

Anyone?

d4ndo[m]: I'm just getting ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.5 port 22: Connection refused

The firewall is definitely open on the machine. Should I open it on the router as well?

I'm probably not running an ssh server on my machine?

Does this work ? --> "ssh user⊙111"

probably

On debian/ubuntu apt-get install openssh-server

Okay, it works now

SSH server wasn't even installed

which is pretty normal for a desktop version i guess

On the client call "ssh-keygen" and "ssh-copy-id user⊙111" So you don't need to enter the password everytime.

Then create a system/init script to start sshtunnel on boot

What password am I supposed to enter? The password for the user on server side?

none

Permission denied

Oh when starting the tunnel.

user on the server side

Then start a new terminal and try ./monero-wallet-cli

okay, i'm screwing something up

do I replace user⊙111 with the user account or do i literally write USER

you replace it

Okay, I did that right. It still says permission denied

Clearly it doesn't want the root password when I'm SSHing

are you running monerod as root?

No. I'm running it as a user

I just reset my password with "sudo passwd user" and I'm trying to SSH again with the new password

ok

client side seems to be hanging now with the new password when trying to access SSH

It is not hanging.

here's what I got x6: channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused

So clearly my password is correct now I guess

so this should work "ssh user⊙111" enter password and have access to bash

Maybe I should open my port 22 on client side firewall as well?

no

Yup it works

depends if you have closed OUTPUT chain then yes.

now i'm in

ok

perfect

but i'm guessing this isn't a tunnel

no.

so i did need to enter the user's password

which i forgot because I never need it

now start the tunnel from you client

XD

ssh is default on my system

ok what's the command for that

ssh -nNT -L 18081:localhost:18081 user⊙111

You need to start this on your PC where you run monero-wallet--cli

on the client side not server side.

Yeah, that's what I was doing

I just literally opened an ssh through ssh

Was wondering why it was asking me about fingerprint again

^^

channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused

Client side of course...

strange

Are openssh-server's default settings allowing SSH tunneling?

Because I didn't do any configuration what so ever

Any other monerd running ?

on client

No just monero-wallet-cli

netstat -tulpn | grep 18081

tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:18081 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 23526/ssh

tcp6 0 0 ::1:18081 :::* LISTEN 23526/ssh

18081 is red

tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:18081 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 23526/ssh

So ssh tunnel is running already

now try to start monero-wallet-cli

Error: wallet failed to connect to daemon: localhost:18081.

maybe kill the ssh process and restart it without going to background

client side?

yes

And then just ssh -N -L 18081:localhost:18081 user⊙111

-N without -Tn command line options. So it does stick to the the terminals stdout.

channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused

netstat -tulpn | grep 18081

same output as before

well a little different: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:18081 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 23633/ss

23633/ssh instead

Are you familiar with htop?

no

ps -A | grep ssh

2 processes of ssh and ssh-agent running

then kill the ssh

kill -9 pid

netstat -tulpn | grep 18081 shouldnt show any process then

pid is the number infornt of ssh shown by ps -A

including ssh-agent

or just ssh?

just ssh

yup they're dead

sudo service ssh restart?

can't hurt

What about netstat -tulpn | grep 18081?

Nothing

good.

So clearly nothing is using that port

ssh -N -L 18081:localhost:18081 user⊙111

so it wont run in background now

channel 2: open failed: connect failed: Connection refused

I think it might be an issue with server maybe?

if the connection is refused?

try 127.0.01

ssh -N -L 18081:127.0.0.1:18081 nodlr⊙111

that's what i did

ssh -N -L 18081:127.0.0.1:18081 user⊙111

well my user is there but whatever

sorry. i couldn't help

Okay, so once I get passed this connection refused shit I should be able to just launch monero-wallet-cli and sync up

Yes.

ok well onto ssh-keygen

ssh-rsa KEY clientuser@clientmachinename

I'm guessing KEY is my key?

Yes. It creates a public and private key in .ssh

ssh-copy-id user⊙111

copies public key to the romte host.

ssh user⊙111 should not require a password anymore.

Okay I think I might know my

why*

rpc-bind-ip is set to 192.168.1.5 not 127.0.0.1

yes - needs to be 127.0.0.1.

Okay, I'm getting something

curl localhost:18081 doesn't spit out connection refused anymore

Okay it works :D

but I still need to enter a password for some reason

ah. nice

So it was a problem with the server

my guess was correct

great.

so that means I can't use set_daemon anymore?

what if I'm on the road and want to use my specific node?

with a web wallet for example

I followed this guide btw: github.com/jonathancross/jc-docs/bl…b/master/ssh_tunnel_to_full_node.md

when diagnosing the problem

legit. good guide

It's still asking for my password and won't let me proceed without one

Despite adding my public key

It is common stuff.

ssh is pretty cool.

Okay, figured it out.

The entire file was the key

not just the center key looking part

Okay so now I'm in without a password...

Thumbs up.

Yeah so back to the question

Let's say I'm out and about and don't have SSH access because it's only permitted on LAN

How would I use my node to sync when I'm using a mobile wallet/laptop on an external network

It's quite unusual for port 22 to be closed.

You could use a public node to sync

there are tools to create an ssh tunnel on android phones.

wireguard works well too

in combination with Monerujo

A vpn

d4ndo[m]: I've got a super simple password right now and I just exposed my user so I'm keeping it closed at the moment

You could aslo harden ssh see your link above. remove the shell etc. way more secure than an open rpc port.

d4ndo[m]: cool beans. thanks a lot for the help. makes it worth while running a node after constantly being attacked

community.xmr.to/faucet/stagenet is down :(

Hi, Trying to copy any of the files in the Window CLI v0.15.0.5 wallet, I'm getting some Windows "Unexpected Error 0x800700E1: Operation did not complete successfully because the file contains a virus or potentially unwanted software."

fuck windows, use linux!

sounds like an antivirus error

yeah i'm assuming false positive...it's just not removing the files automatically i guess i need to exempt them

err, it is* removing the files

also the first time i've seen it (after upgrading from 0.15.0.1) so i just wondering why now

did you verify the signatures

You are strongly advised to verify the hashes of the archive you downloaded. This will confirm that the files you downloaded perfectly match the files uploaded by the Monero development workgroup. Please don't underestimate this step, a corrupted archive could result in lost funds. Always verify your downloads!

i did verify the sha256..didn't go through the trouble of installing pgp...so it's as secure as it could be

ty

Is there any checksum software for windows that supports gpg keys?

gpgwin?

*gpg4win

or even gnupg itself

But gpgwin does not check your files for sha256, does it?

I thing Git for Windows got all you need. That's what I'm using..

s/ting/tink

I give up..

XD

Git works pretty good for source code i guess. What about the binaries downloaded from getmonero.org?

on Linux / macOS you can verify everything in 1 command

`curl web.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt -s | gpg --verify | shasum -c --ignore-missing`

not sure if that also works with git for windows

d4ndo[m]: git ships with a with a few tools

ok

gpg and sha* is in there too.

The unix philosophy is the reason why windows will always lose out.

sha1sum.exe, sha256sum.exe, sha512sum.exe, sha224sum.exe, sha384sum.exe

if you have a recent windows you can use Get-FileHash for sha256

bloatware slows down windows development to a point they can't handle the overhead.

lub: is that the official sha256 tool from microsoft?

$ curl web.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt -s | gpg --verify | shasum -c --ignore-missing

Unknown option: ignore-missing

Type shasum -h for help

gpg: Signature made Thu Mar 19 04:51:04 2020 SEAST

gpg: using RSA key 81AC591FE9C4B65C5806AFC3F0AF4D462A0BDF92

gpg: Can't check signature: No public key

TrasherDK: did you add binaryFate’s public key?

binaryfate signed the last release.

d4ndo: I don't know what you mean with official sha256 tool, but it's built-in starting with powershell 4.0 and using the .net methods

lub: Ok- so it is official then.

selsta: No. Just ran the command in a git bash shell, to show it can be done on windows.

Does Windows10 support bash now? I heard some news a while ago, but i did not verify it.

looks like windows has a different version of shasum if it doesn’t understand --ignore-missing

$ bash --version

GNU bash, version 4.4.23(1)-release (x86_64-pc-msys)

Copyright (C) 2016 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

it has WSL (and most recently WSL v2), where you have a complete linux userspace and in v2 I think also a linux kernel

you can install ubuntu, debian etc. from the microsoft store and use bash that way

Way to go. Install Linux to verify your windows binaries :D

cool

hmm the command I posted above does not work anymore :(

Even better. Upgrade to Windows 10, to get WSL, and then install Linux to verify your windows binaries :P

`curl web.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt -s | gpg | shasum -c --ignore-missing`

that was the correct one :D

I don't remember the commands I used to verify the GUI, but I did it in Git bash shell. The CLI I build on Linux so not verifying those.

yep shasum and gpg is all that is required

!verify

d4ndo[m]: gpg --verify hashes.txt && sha256sum -c hashes.txt

Hey guys so I'm hitting this issue when I run the monero wallet rpc. Here is the command I'm using ./monero-wallet-rpc --testnet --rpc-bind-ip <vm_ip> --rpc-bind-port 28083 --disable-rpc-login --wallet-dir path/to/wallet/dir --confirm-external-bind and here is how I run the daemon ./monerod --testnet --rpc-bind-ip <vm_ip> --confirm-external-bind so

I'm running my rpc and daemon on one vm and I have my application code on another, the problem is the rpc process will start but when I run a command (my application executes an rpc command) It will load the wallet but then I'll get an error stating it couldn't find an mms file called <wallet_name>.mms and it will error out and lose it's connection

to the daemon. Have you guys even seen this error

You can ignore that message. Any other error ?

I think I figured it out. I ran the monero daemon without the --rpc-bind-ip and it didn't give me the "no connection to daemon" error

yup, that worked for some reason

Hey fam. I'm completely new to monero. Can you suggest any good resources for getting started?

Look at getmonero.org and follow links maybe.

gordon_fr33man[m, do you want to setup a full node, or just run wallet on phone?

gordon_fr33man: also take a look here monerooutreach.org/stories/getting-started-helping-monero.html

netrik182: Thanks!

jwinterm: I guess eventually full node. Still very new to crypto in general.

for phones there is monerujo for android, or cake wallet for ios or android

moneromooo: Many thanks

I like monerujo, but cake is apparently very good as well

I'll check them both out. Can I store any altcoin on a hardware wallet?

not any, but many

I think monerujo actually works with ledger nano s

not sure about cake

Oh good thats what I have!

hi

is there other use cases for monero other than acting as a currency?

Yeah

No

Mooo.

It makes a nice paperweight

You can also make a delicious holiday dish out of it (the specific holiday is left as an exercise to the reader)

is there other use cases for monero other than acting as a currency?

not at all?

If you shoehorn, sure. But it's shoehorning.

hey

seriously, there is not one single use case other than using monero as an extremely unstable currency?

Unstable ?

Oh you mean exchange rate, right ?

I don't think it'd be particularly well adapted to other things, though as I said you could shoehorn things in.

Jackman2: unstable? it basically hasn't moved in days

You could do voting, encrypted chat, but meh.

yes the exchange rate is unstable

extremely unstable

Did you have any particular use in mind for that question ?

well

Monero is a digital collectible like Pokemon cards

I've to much faith about the usability of crypto tokens as currencies

due to their unstable exchange rates

however I like anonymity

so I was wondering what could monero be used for more than buying drugs

as 99.9% of mainstream companies would judge infinitely unacceptable to take such a great rate risk by using monero

is privacy only for criminals?

You could use it to... sell drugs ?

yes I know that

use it to get rich. Buy low, sell high

privacy coin wit extremely unstable exchange rate, yes is only for criminals

not going to debate the obvious

So Bitcoin is stable in your opinion?

no

Anyway, I assume drug users are not super wealthy, so so if they can take the exchange rate dice roll, so can buyers of anything else. I'm not sure that's the most salient argument against cryptocurrencies. It's more like... why would I use it since I can use paypal and I don't care about privacy (or being scammed).

I'm not going to debate such an obvious fact that no mentally sane company would accept crazy unstable currencies.

Won't necessarily always be the case

so either monero have more use cases than being a currency, or it's nothing more than a crime currency

but 'Monero' literally means 'money' so idk what you expect

monero, made for criminals by criminals

^

Only because people have that attitude, sadly. It's self perpetuating.

I'm was hoping that there would be more things pushing the prices than demand for drugs and speculation

Part of me really hopes there's a huge privacy rape in the near future so I can feel schadenfreude at all those people whose inaction causes me so much grief trying to keep mine.

What did cryptocurrencies achieve apart from being digital currencies?

But it's not nice, so the other part of me hopes not ^_^

I’m not aware of anything else.

thankfully Monero is highly private and fungible, so whether or not criminals use it will not affect you :) just like all 'illegal' cash transactions have no bearing on my cash usage

they didn't achieve being currencies

Jackman2: can you please tell us why RYO is the best crypto currency

idk ryo

Guess then they achieved nothing :P

Monero is used for anything and by anyone just like any money.

no

for drugs by dealers and for speculation

you seem to know a lot about how Monero is used

learn to see the reality please

It is permisionless. There is no one that can say no for you to use it.

obvious in front of your eyes

Most drugs are sold for USD

idc

Jackman2: Do you know about hedging?

yes

So how come they can't hedge?

Those cute little animals with lots of spikes ?

I mean there are other issues to accepting payments in XMR, but volatility is not one of them.

because there is no put options available on monero

There are futures

and because most companies are not trading companies

hedging with put options is completely retarded

and because most companies don't hedge

Because they accept currencies like JPY, EUR, USD, where such isn't a problem

and because hedging a possible 2% drop in some fiat currency is different than trying to hedge against 50% moves of monero

Is it?

yes

Trading futures on USD/JPY is heavily regulated

and needs to you to be a bank

idc

any schmuck can trade XMR/USD futures

disgusting

lol

would be trivial to code a payment processor that did it for you

^.^

oh yeah bot hedge trading awesome

your lucidity is being fogged by your hopes, dreams, and ignorance

the algorithm is simple: quote a price in USD. When hitting 'pay' button, convert to XMR. When payment is in mempool, sell that notional worth of XMRUSD futures.

did you just come here to troll or ?

you seem to be awfully angry Jackman2

Is there anything on your mind weighing you down?

yes you

I am curious as well

Nice. #hedgehog actually exists.

(the vol in the X hrs until then isn't so bad - if we say they have 2hrs to pay that gives appx. 1 sigma = sqrt(2/(24*365))*annualized vol;

Is it a channel that talks about hedgehogs or some software? lol

with annualized vol of 80%, that's 1.2%

I dunno. I left after saying hi.

even if you get perfect adverse selection, that's a lower fee than most card processors

and this disregards the bit where you presumably sell some sort of merchandise

if you manage to offer people a 1.2% discount and that makes them buy it whereas they previously wouldn't have bought it, that's objectively good business

and that ignores the bit where there is no way in hell that your customers will watch your checkout page and try to use it for trading)

why would anyone do that

and how is that anonymous

"the algorithm is simple: quote a price in USD. When hitting 'pay' button, convert to XMR. When payment is in mempool, sell that notional worth of XMRUSD futures."

That's the sad thing about people who complain about drug money. It's not like it makes the money worse. Might as well try not to breathe air criminals breathed before. Self perpetuating idiocy tbh.

Why would anyone do what?

But hey. It'll ptobably fail, but at least we'll have tried.

how is that anonymous, even

Why would a merchant hedge their income? To reduce risk

How is it anonymous? The client is still anonymous, the merchant can be, depending on where he sells his futures

For example, XMRXBT futures are readily traded on Eastern 'fuck compliance' exchanges

and XBTUSD hedging is trivial

let says you want to buy 50k$ worth of merchandise

yeah

you are a big enterprise

drug markets increase the array of goods priced in and reduce overall fluctuations in purchasing power, a win for me!

you regularly do that

you need stability and certainty

Wait, the enterprise is selling or buying?

Or both customers are enterprises?

is buying

so you need to buy 50k$ worth of monero

and you wanna keep it anonymous for some reason

yeah then you just buy the monero and send it instantly

that's not even hard

how do you do

what

well you say, "hey, I'd like to buy $50k of monero"

and someone quotes you a price

and you trade

and you pay

where

what, that's not even hard

OTC desks, IRC, KYC'd exchanges

don't matter

explain the process of buying the monero with great details

lmao

1) go to any exchange

2) click the 'buy' button

3) done

and how is it "stable, secure, anonymous" and fast because crypto is mean to be fast

You're anonymous to the seller, since Monero is anonymous

crypto is mean but idk about fast

it's reasonably fast, since the transaction time is still just 2m or whatever

I hope the seller has some shipping address for this 50k$ merchandise

anyway, aren't you moving the goalposts?

We were talking about buying stuff from a seller, where the seller is hedging

And he will continue to do so until you stop talking in exasperation, claiming victory over the Monero idiots :D

because he isn't interested in Monero exchange rate risk

I click the buy button, I get the message "not enough funds"

Despite being a nutter lol

then what do I do

needbrrrrrrr90: :D

well, you transfer in money to the exchange. Have you never used a bank before?

Tfw someone compares the stability of Monero to the largest currency on the planet and not the currency of normal nations

pls don't stop. This is entertaining

Tfw someone thinks that it can't grow

how long does it takes, is it anonymous, is the exchange stable, trustworthy and regulation-free

Tfw the dollar is used in most global drug trade

needbrrrrrrr90: because eurodollars

Do you use dollars? Wtf?

You're supporting criminals jsrk

Jerk

depends on your bank. Most civilized countries have instant bank transfers. You're anonymous to the seller. The exchange rate is irrelevant.

by the law of one price, it will be trustworthy and unregulated

all europe SEPA transferts are 1 day delay, if not 2. 3 on weekends

Monero is 20 minutes

Wins that one ez

RYO is anonymous, stable, trustworthy, regulation free, and has unlimited liquidity. It also provides anonymous shipping addresses

20 minutes is enough for monero to drop 2%

why would anyone doing serious biz accept that

National currencies drop that much too lol

Also you can hedge my guy

Shorting exists

Ezpz learn to finance

DTFT

A lack of knowledge on your part doesn't imply the currency doesn't work, have you done research into what shorting is?

and why do you ignore all the IRL process behind actually doing the transaction from A to Z, and only focus on the part that interrest you while ignoring the real hard facts that surround it

I'll wait, don't worry

Stop moving goalposts lol

It's almost like you don't want an answer, you just want to shout uninformed opinions at us

Which is like. Fine I guess. But why? You could easily just learn.

I try to make you lucid but you dumb fogged mind

That's not very nice

but I'm a trader my job is to clearly understand what's going on behind people's dreams

"20 minutes is enough for monero to drop 2%" -> "20 minutes is enough for monero to drop 2% in terms of USD"; it's a big point, since if there is a large market with many prices, those prices are (overall) quite stable and react quite slowly to changes in other prices (such as the price in USD)

I would appreciate it if you were more pleasant :)

Jackman2: no it isn't

Clearly your mind is fogged if you think you're good at trading...

1 SD for 20 minutes is trivial to calculate

You don't seem to understand the basics of hedging

I posted the formula above

1 sd = P*Ann vol*sqrt(T/365)

Jack, can you explain what hedging is? In your own words

Please don't copy paste

I don't think youre operating with the right definitions :)

needbrrrrrrr90: grrr, he's a pro trader. don't patronise him!

Let's clear this up from the start!

Just keep asking him about hedging before moving on

Don't let him change the subject

gonna bet you $100 Jackman1 has never set foot at a trading desk

^^^^^

Jackman2, sorry

idc

I know what hedging is

Trading 100x leverage on bitmex doesn't make you a professional

whatever happened to jackman1 btw? did you kill him?

Clearly you don't jack

Can you please explain?

What is hedging, in your words

let's say you're a company in USA, someone is gonna send you 500k EUR next month

you fear meanwhile the EUR 💶 will devalue VS usd

100x is for noobs. To binance.com/MyRefLinkInfoHere and trade at 125x like a chad.

you short it

go to* even

How is this different from Monero?

Jackman2: And which instrument do you use for this trade?

You can easily short monero :)

yanmaani: a ukulele

How can you claim to know what you're talking about with regards to hedging, yet not realize that hedging just requires the ability to short sell?

It's like half your brain is gone

eur/usd doesn't move by 2% in 20 mins

You got partway there and then just....mentally hit a wall

xmr can

to be gone implies that something at one point in time was there in the first place.

Jackman2: Which instrument do you use to put on this trade?

Lmao it takes seconds to short dude

You're revealing your ignorance on the subject

'pro trader' lmao

This guy

and you seem to not realize that there is actual steps to actually do to actually start the hedge and that it can takes more than 20mins

Maybe for traditional finance!

Not crypto, ez

hey Jackman2, how do you hedge your dollars?

this is #mofi

not #tradfi

yeah the guy call some clerk heyi ima buy 500k$ worth gimma monero quote then phone CEO who confirm to treasurer to hedge to come tommorow at office to turn on computer send money to futures exchanges and blind click short in 1 sec

Thats a scale issue, its gotta go to the moon in price and it'll be stable

Dollars, not Monero. If you have 500k euros coming in, how do you hedge them?

short sell them

And with which instrument do you put on this trade?

futures

why

And why do you use futures, rather than put options?

because it's less risky if price turns against you

for a company

try again

no

what's your point

put options lose you money if the price doesn't change and volatility drops

so futures are the way

^

well that's true

good save :3

Arguing that a small entity cannot satisfy the demands of large scale without scaling up is common sense

oops, just scrolled back, didn't mean to interfere with your grilling, yanmaani

Arguing that Monero can't satisfy capacity now and therefore never will is silly

What's he grilling? Are we all invited?

Just you wait, with scale comes stability

This dude is a pro trader and we are doing an AMA

He knows everything about trading ever

juuuuge knowledge about trading

so you whole argument to save cryptoCURRENCIES is some magic instant hedging?

lol i've not been in this channel for a long time. has it become #monero-markets2?

Jackman1 / Jackman2: What do you trade?

who things hedging will save crypto? i agree with that person

girls

save it? monero tx volume is rising ^.^

knaccc: yes, as of 1.5 hours ago or so

14:14:45 Jackman1 | girls

Jackman's age O/U 15.5 1.8 1.8

0_o

ping fbi

pong

That's just ad hominem.

Both actually. Jesus.

nah mate I'm serious, quoting odds

wait, what happened to moo?

I don't see the point of monero apart hiding money and buying drugs

thank god we are all entitled to our own opinion \o/

what do you see monero for UkoeHB_

buying non-drugs

I used it to rent a server a few weeks ago, and buy a domain

worked fine, low fees and good privacy

UX was OK but could be improved - much prefer Electrum to Monero-GUI, far simpler design

whatever people want, drugs or otherwise :) it's money after all, there is no specific use case

yanmaani: though Electrum to Monero-GUI comparison isn’t fair :P

Electrum is a light wallet, monero-gui is not

Electrum vs MyMonero would be a closer comparison

no, it is

It's just purely visual

Electrum looks like a normal desktop program

Monero-GUI looks like web stuff

both are Qt

Bitcoin Core looks pretty normal too, but Electrum is nicer.

yeah but Electrum looks native and has better performance

USAF

?

Yes, monero-gui is not trying to look native

else we would have used QtWidgets

instead of QML

What does that even mean, 'look native'?

native to the os

macos styled for osx

windows forms for windows

etc

gotcha

yay UI styleguides

for example.

its why apple stuff looks so apple-y

and why linux looks like it was cobbled together by a bunch of friggin nerds

yanmaani: better performance in what way?

except for unity. Unity looks like it was cobbled together by designers with no input from nerds.

needbrrrrrrr90: hard to find a good nerdy designer

Well yeah, apple hired them all

And Adobe

selsta: uses less RAM, less latency upon button clicks

are you using Linux + VM?

there shouldn’t be any latency when you click something

using Linux on bare metal

it's slight but it's there

Electrum takes 10 seconds+ to start on my system, is that normal?

monero-gui uses 300MB RAM, Electrum 100MB, so yea can agree there

you're mean to receive 500k$ monero from anonymous buyer

you short sell?

lmal

how do you guarantee he pays if not doxxed

?

dangerous as hell

/filter Jackman1⊙192

at least dapps have some real use cases

lol

bloody hell why doesn't my filter work

damn you weechat

the word cryptocurrencies should be forever changed to cryptoapps

yanmaani: use /ignore *!Jackman1@*

;)

or cryptotoken

[-mugatu-]: nope, don't work either

weechat has different syntax

tiresome. why don't you go back to #bitcoin-pricetalk, where you can discuss 'number go up'?

still haven't heard what you were a trader of

yanmaani: thats what I'm using and /ignore works for me

/ignore is a different animal

but that doesn't work either

ehh whatever

he said girls, so maybe monero isn't being used by human traffickers yet

which I am perfectly happy with lol

numbers go up is freedom goes up

why?

how does money give liberty?

because it allows you to pursue goods

good, services, time, experience (thus knowledge and intelligence)

beauty

spirituality

sez

sex

I'm a capitalist

actually the girls are running the botnets

pimping out computers is not cool!

the price in USD doesn't necessarily give more freedom, although it may imply it to some extent

how old are you Jackman1?

asl incoming

O/U 20 30

do I look cool geek speaking this way

🍆

37/M/Kiev

)))

gonna guess either Indian or underage. Or both

does that make you horny

the mentalist is among us lol

although imo a capitalist with any ideological rigor would recognize fungible money is the only money worth thinking about, so Im a bit skeptical about your foundation

what's my foundation

what money is not fungible

most cryptos lol

most tainted coins are on binance

evidence?

so?

most tainted coins are on binance

all cryptos are fungible on binance

CRYPTO IS NOT CRYPTOCURRENCY ಠ_ಠ ~ IT REFERS TO CRYPTOGRAPHY, Jackman2

and huobi

is Quotes a bot or just a genius?

genius bot?

to begin with, the problem of making a fungible digital currency isn't trivial; expecting there to be an ideal solution is unrealistic

Monero is already pretty amazing

can I get more than ad revenues with monero js mining

that's a great use case

seems unlikely

:(

could be wrong, you'd have to run the maths

monero is not mineable with js

Why not?

large RAM requirement and missing directed rounding support in javascript / webassembly

I'm not a criminal, how did I end up here?

Jackman2: why is your connection so poor?

why do you have 2 users

my connection seems fine to me

--man shortly before being disconnected

LOL

Am I live streaming right now?