why XBT?

<rbrunner7> Official ISO style currency symbol for Bitcoin; BTC is non-standard regarding this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217#Cryptocurrencies

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needbrrrrrrr90: thanks

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Hi, cannot download 0.15.0.5 for Linux 32bit from getmonero.org/downloads. Any idea?

Do you really need the 32 bit version ?

Yes, because I am on Debian 32bit

I can download it. Do you get an error ? If so, what ?

It gets x64 version

Oh. You get directed to the "linux32" url, but that's a 64 bit binary ?

works for me

moneromoo, yes, sometimes I get error "file cannot be read, contact administrator"

selsta, I'll try, thanks

selsta, downloaded, it seems to be ok, big thanks!

Fort1: maybe you can try a different browser

and see if it solves your issue but I guess you downloaded it now anyway

selsta, your url worked. I use Firefox,

Been experimenting with Monero, very neat! I love the CLI client

CLI > GUI

now I just need to figure out how to get QR code scanning to work direclty with cli client using a script with zbarcam.

Or does command line client already work with QR code scanning that I am not aware of?

I dont think CLI has any QR functionality.

<rbrunner7> Nothing graphical in the CLI wallet indeed. Except moneromooo's ASCII art cow on the lock "screen" :)

"Please type in the QR code you wish to scan. Use 'O' for large squares and '.' for small squares"

I think zbarcam could work with cli without any gui

for scanning qr code, it would convert it to a string of text

for output of qr code, ascii art QR code out put is posslbe

but why? if you can digitize the QR code to ascii art then you might as well parse it

and if you can parse it, you might as well just send it to monero

...unless you're suggesting bundling zbarcam in monero-cli?

what if I want to pay a monero invoice from a point of sale system, or scann a qr code on a flyer or something, but I am using cli client?

does nto have to be zbarcam, just anything with the functionality

that can let monero-cli keep the deterministic build

there are QR code scanners that work like a keyboard

Then it'd make more sense to have a separate executable

and no way im manually typing in an address 100000 chracters long or whatever it is,

call it say camerascan, that feeds in addresses and does whatever

that said, what PoS system is it you have where money is flowing from the point of sale to the customer?

even if not built in, could have a script that feeds from zbarcam and any detected monero addresses parses it and opens it in monero wallet

so I mean just run zbarcam and take the five seconds to copy+paste I'd say

yes yanmaani what I'm doing

hey guys. What do you think is best in current situation. Keep money on bank account, withdraw all, or buy crypto and rely on BATM to withdraw when needed. Or whats your strategy?

nunbit[m]: see #bitcoin-pricetalk or equivalent

not your paper, not your money

not your keys, not your coin

Your money in a bank is just digits, that is not actually there, due to fractional reserve banking. Be your own bank, run a node, control your own keys

Why bother with a crypto conversion when can just buy stuff with it directly?

I know its not mainstream yet, but can just keep what you need to pay bills and grocceries in brrrrr money

think before actually taking advice from me though

as opposed to cryptocurrency, which is famous for being a stable store of value without correlation to the broader economy?

crypto, gold and silver is good money

also, since when is silver uncorrelated?

yes crypto is volatile thats for sure

so is the dollar. Upwards volatility vs. downward stability. Choose one

vol would be fine, but it has to be uncorrelated to be worth a damn

the U.S. dollar is, by definition, negatively correlated to the stock market

XBT/XMR is, empirically, positively correlated

until crypto is mainstream, you can use bridge services.

like debit cards that can be topped off with crypto for example

then do your part to help business take crypto

the revolution is not centralized, we all have to do our own part

yeah but there is no revolution, there are no new monetary ideas here

technological, sure

but commodity money, in a Mickey Mouse commodity, is just useless

the alleged 'value' is just gamblers' speculation

I consider it a revolution, from the broken central banking system

and gov fiat.

gold failed to be digital, e-gold was shutdown because it was centralized

by 'broken', you mean 'working just fine'?

people in a broken system do not know any better

it is broken, Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air to loan out to government endless spending. Government offshifts that debt to others in the form of taxes and devaluation

us dollar is a complete scam

then gov forces people to accept paper monopoly money because "legal tender

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central bankers and government officials are clowns

to have the dollar be a good investment was never an intended goal by anyone

precisely the opposite was, in fact

If that was desired, then printing banknote-sized T-bills would be trivial for instance

Currently I withdrew all money from bank account.Makes me feel good robbing bank. as those money werent mine when there. But we still have to pay groceries. And no one accepts crypto now. I have a bad feeling banks will shutdown and lock peoples money same as governments locked us for fake virus. But I know I wouldnt be safe from mass devaluation. But now I am at least ready to put it in BATM and buy crypto. I thought about

gold but it would be useles if appocalypse zomes. Imaging changing 100g LOL

* Currently I withdrew all money from bank account.Makes me feel good robbing bank. as those money werent mine when there. But we still have to pay groceries. And no one accepts crypto now. I have a bad feeling banks will shutdown and lock peoples money same as governments locked us for fake virus. But I know I wouldnt be safe from mass devaluation. But now I am at least ready to put it in BATM and buy crypto. I thought

about gold but it would be useles if appocalypse comes. Imagine changing 100g LOL

yes good to have some cash on hand

I mean those are reasonable fears. You don't have too many options here.

The counterparty risk with the banks is probably not too great

just make sure you have lots of "lead" to protect that cash, and fireproof safe

Either the dollar gives out, and then you won't have any money anyway

or it does not, and then the FDIC insurance kicks in

so it doesn't intuitively seem like cash withdrawals are a good idea, unless you're above the limit

in which case, you'd be utterly insane to withdraw millions in cash

and dont keep all wealth in one locaiton, in case of tornado or something

<yanmaani "I mean those are reasonable fear"> exactly I think this is best one. Because if banks close their online sysem which can happen anytime you are done. having nothing.

<cannon-c[m] "just make sure you have lots of "> I dont have a lot LOL

well no, you are not done, you still have a claim on the bank

if the bank goes out of business, then the FDIC insures it, and the FDIC is backstopped by the Fed

the beauty of crypto vs. physical money..... with crypto you can carry millions in your pocket that is encrypted (confiscation/theft proof) and have multiple backups of it

so the risk of a Cyprus-style scenario is I would say very low.

I thought FDIC only insures up to a certain ammount? Or is it full coverage?

nope, capped

although you can get around it, sort of

by having accounts in multiple banks

and in e.g. name of your spouse

and lawyer

There's ~5k FDIC insured banks according to research2.fdic.gov/bankfind

say you can eke out 2 accounts per bank, that's naively 0.25*2*5000 = $2500m

if you have $2.5 billion in bank deposits I seriously question your judgement

<yanmaani "if the bank goes out of business"> you are forgetting something. COVID19. governemnts can change the law any day and rightfully lockdown peoples money for "state of emergency" . This is no joke now. They change laws in my country Europe daily.

they managed to pulll of worldwide lockdown first time in history of mankind. For a flu. Not going into that but. risks that are now hevent been before.

covid19 is not a flu, its more like SARS. Targets the lungs

its scary stuff

<yanmaani "if you have $2.5 billion in bank"> I dont even have one million. LOL

if it was a hoax, hospitals would not be over-ran in places. However I do see that some govs are using emergency as excuse to grab more power

<cannon-c[m] "covid19 is not a flu, its more l"> said not going into that here.

ok sorry

cheers

I now nothing about crypto, but it just dawned on my that my raspberry pi, which is running 24/7, might be able to mine some

is randomX profitable on rpi?

I think it's not. Some other ARMs are though.

rock64pro?

moneromooo: which ones?

what's the break-even point?

rpi sucks. all versions.

rock64pro has a good chance