09:49:12 <duso> why XBT?
10:14:47 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Official ISO style currency symbol for Bitcoin; BTC is non-standard regarding this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217#Cryptocurrencies
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13:42:04 <Fort1> Hi, cannot download 0.15.0.5 for Linux 32bit from https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/. Any idea?
13:43:34 <moneromooo> Do you really need the 32 bit version ?
13:43:58 <Fort1> Yes, because I am on Debian 32bit
13:44:44 <moneromooo> I can download it. Do you get an error ? If so, what ?
13:46:11 <Fort1> It gets x64 version
13:46:51 <selsta> https://downloads.getmonero.org/cli/linux32
13:46:53 <moneromooo> Oh. You get directed to the "linux32" url, but that's a 64 bit binary ?
13:46:59 <selsta> works for me
13:48:06 <Fort1> moneromoo, yes, sometimes I get error "file cannot be read, contact administrator"
13:48:28 <Fort1> selsta, I'll try, thanks
13:51:55 <Fort1> selsta, downloaded, it seems to be ok, big thanks!
13:52:54 <selsta> Fort1: maybe you can try a different browser
13:53:42 <selsta> and see if it solves your issue but I guess you downloaded it now anyway
13:55:34 <Fort1> selsta, your url worked. I use Firefox,
19:14:52 <cannon-c[m]> Been experimenting with Monero, very neat! I love the CLI client
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19:18:28 <cannon-c[m]> CLI > GUI
19:19:37 <cannon-c[m]> now I just need to figure out how to get QR code scanning to work direclty with cli client using a script with zbarcam.
19:20:49 <cannon-c[m]> Or does command line client already work with QR code scanning that I am not aware of?
19:29:13 <ludicrous_speed[> I dont think CLI has any QR functionality.
20:19:25 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Nothing graphical in the CLI wallet indeed. Except moneromooo's ASCII art cow on the lock "screen" :)
20:20:47 <hyc> "Please type in the QR code you wish to scan. Use 'O' for large squares and '.' for small squares"
20:23:59 <cannon-c[m]> I think zbarcam could work with cli without any gui
20:24:25 <cannon-c[m]> for scanning qr code, it would convert it to a string of text
20:24:44 <cannon-c[m]> for output of qr code, ascii art QR code out put is posslbe
20:25:01 <yanmaani> but why? if you can digitize the QR code to ascii art then you might as well parse it
20:25:24 <yanmaani> and if you can parse it, you might as well just send it to monero
20:25:38 <yanmaani> ...unless you're suggesting bundling zbarcam in monero-cli?
20:25:39 <cannon-c[m]> what if I want to pay a monero invoice from a point of sale system, or scann a qr code on a flyer or something, but I am using cli client?
20:26:00 <cannon-c[m]> does nto have to be zbarcam, just anything with the functionality
20:26:10 <cannon-c[m]> that can let monero-cli keep the deterministic build
20:26:24 <selsta> there are QR code scanners that work like a keyboard
20:26:25 <yanmaani> Then it'd make more sense to have a separate executable
20:26:44 <cannon-c[m]> and no way im manually typing in an address 100000 chracters long or whatever it is,
20:26:53 <yanmaani> call it say camerascan, that feeds in addresses and does whatever
20:27:13 <yanmaani> that said, what PoS system is it you have where money is flowing from the point of sale to the customer?
20:27:39 <cannon-c[m]> even if not built in, could have a script that feeds from zbarcam and any detected monero addresses parses it and opens it in monero wallet
20:27:40 <yanmaani> so I mean just run zbarcam and take the five seconds to copy+paste I'd say
20:27:54 <cannon-c[m]> yes yanmaani what I'm doing
20:30:48 <nunbit[m]> hey guys. What do you think is best in current situation. Keep money on bank account, withdraw all, or buy crypto and rely on BATM to withdraw when needed. Or whats your strategy?
20:34:14 <yanmaani> nunbit[m]: see #bitcoin-pricetalk or equivalent
20:36:43 <cannon-c[m]> not your paper, not your money
20:36:47 <cannon-c[m]> not your keys, not your coin
20:37:30 <cannon-c[m]> Your money in a bank is just digits, that is not actually there, due to fractional reserve banking. Be your own bank, run a node, control your own keys
20:37:54 <cannon-c[m]> Why bother with a crypto conversion when can just buy stuff with it directly?
20:38:39 <cannon-c[m]> I know its not mainstream yet, but can just keep what you need to pay bills and grocceries in brrrrr money
20:39:08 <cannon-c[m]> think before actually taking advice from me though
20:39:23 <yanmaani> as opposed to cryptocurrency, which is famous for being a stable store of value without correlation to the broader economy?
20:39:25 <cannon-c[m]> crypto, gold and silver is good money
20:39:44 <yanmaani> also, since when is silver uncorrelated?
20:40:19 <cannon-c[m]> yes crypto is volatile thats for sure
20:40:43 <cannon-c[m]> so is the dollar. Upwards volatility vs. downward stability. Choose one
20:40:47 <yanmaani> vol would be fine, but it has to be uncorrelated to be worth a damn
20:40:59 <yanmaani> the U.S. dollar is, by definition, negatively correlated to the stock market
20:41:11 <yanmaani> XBT/XMR is, empirically, positively correlated
20:42:55 <cannon-c[m]> until crypto is mainstream, you can use bridge services.
20:43:09 <cannon-c[m]> like debit cards that can be topped off with crypto for example
20:43:41 <cannon-c[m]> then do your part to help business take crypto
20:43:53 <cannon-c[m]> the revolution is not centralized, we all have to do our own part
20:44:04 <yanmaani> yeah but there is no revolution, there are no new monetary ideas here
20:44:14 <yanmaani> technological, sure
20:44:47 <yanmaani> but commodity money, in a Mickey Mouse commodity, is just useless
20:45:14 <yanmaani> the alleged 'value' is just gamblers' speculation
20:45:20 <cannon-c[m]> I consider it a revolution, from the broken central banking system
20:45:31 <cannon-c[m]> and gov fiat.
20:45:49 <cannon-c[m]> gold failed to be digital, e-gold was shutdown because it was centralized
20:45:58 <yanmaani> by 'broken', you mean 'working just fine'?
20:46:13 <cannon-c[m]> people in a broken system do not know any better
20:47:21 <cannon-c[m]> it is broken, Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air to loan out to government endless spending. Government offshifts that debt to others in the form of taxes and devaluation
20:47:30 <cannon-c[m]> us dollar is a complete scam
20:47:52 <cannon-c[m]> then gov forces people to accept paper monopoly money because "legal tender
20:47:52 <cannon-c[m]> "
20:49:34 <cannon-c[m]> central bankers and government officials are clowns
20:51:11 <yanmaani> to have the dollar be a good investment was never an intended goal by anyone
20:51:17 <yanmaani> precisely the opposite was, in fact
20:51:49 <yanmaani> If that was desired, then printing banknote-sized T-bills would be trivial for instance
20:52:45 <cannon-c[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0
20:53:00 <nunbit[m]> Currently I withdrew all money from bank account.Makes me feel good robbing bank. as those money werent mine when there. But we still have to pay groceries. And no one accepts crypto now. I have a bad feeling banks will shutdown and lock peoples money same as governments locked us for fake virus. But I know I wouldnt be safe from mass devaluation. But now I am at least ready to put it in BATM and buy crypto. I thought about
20:53:00 <nunbit[m]> gold but it would be useles if appocalypse zomes. Imaging changing 100g LOL
20:53:15 <nunbit[m]>  * Currently I withdrew all money from bank account.Makes me feel good robbing bank. as those money werent mine when there. But we still have to pay groceries. And no one accepts crypto now. I have a bad feeling banks will shutdown and lock peoples money same as governments locked us for fake virus. But I know I wouldnt be safe from mass devaluation. But now I am at least ready to put it in BATM and buy crypto. I thought
20:53:15 <nunbit[m]> about gold but it would be useles if appocalypse comes. Imagine changing 100g LOL
20:53:27 <cannon-c[m]> yes good to have some cash on hand
20:53:32 <yanmaani> I mean those are reasonable fears. You don't have too many options here.
20:53:48 <yanmaani> The counterparty risk with the banks is probably not too great
20:53:49 <cannon-c[m]> just make sure you have lots of "lead" to protect that cash, and fireproof safe
20:54:04 <yanmaani> Either the dollar gives out, and then you won't have any money anyway
20:54:14 <yanmaani> or it does not, and then the FDIC insurance kicks in
20:54:38 <yanmaani> so it doesn't intuitively seem like cash withdrawals are a good idea, unless you're above the limit
20:54:51 <yanmaani> in which case, you'd be utterly insane to withdraw millions in cash
20:54:54 <cannon-c[m]> and dont keep all wealth in one locaiton, in case of tornado or something
20:54:59 <nunbit[m]> <yanmaani "I mean those are reasonable fear"> exactly I think this is best one. Because if banks close their online sysem which can happen anytime you are done. having nothing.
20:55:01 <nunbit[m]> <cannon-c[m] "just make sure you have lots of "> I dont have a lot LOL
20:55:23 <yanmaani> well no, you are not done, you still have a claim on the bank
20:55:54 <yanmaani> if the bank goes out of business, then the FDIC insures it, and the FDIC is backstopped by the Fed
20:56:01 <cannon-c[m]> the beauty of crypto vs. physical money..... with crypto you can carry millions in your pocket that is encrypted (confiscation/theft proof) and have multiple backups of it
20:56:22 <yanmaani> so the risk of a Cyprus-style scenario is I would say very low.
20:56:28 <cannon-c[m]> I thought FDIC only insures up to a certain ammount? Or is it full coverage?
20:56:35 <yanmaani> nope, capped
20:56:40 <yanmaani> although you can get around it, sort of
20:56:47 <yanmaani> by having accounts in multiple banks
20:56:53 <yanmaani> and in e.g. name of your spouse
20:56:58 <yanmaani> and lawyer
20:57:50 <yanmaani> There's ~5k FDIC insured banks according to https://research2.fdic.gov/bankfind/
20:58:18 <yanmaani> say you can eke out 2 accounts per bank, that's naively 0.25*2*5000 = $2500m
20:58:38 <yanmaani> if you have $2.5 billion in bank deposits I seriously question your judgement
20:59:58 <nunbit[m]> <yanmaani "if the bank goes out of business"> you are forgetting something. COVID19. governemnts can change the law any day and rightfully lockdown peoples money for "state of emergency" . This is no joke now. They change laws in my country Europe daily.
21:02:21 <nunbit[m]> they managed to pulll of worldwide lockdown first time in history of mankind. For a flu. Not going into that but. risks that are now hevent been before.
21:03:42 <cannon-c[m]> covid19 is not a flu, its more like SARS. Targets the lungs
21:03:46 <cannon-c[m]> its scary stuff
21:04:03 <nunbit[m]> <yanmaani "if you have $2.5 billion in bank"> I dont even have one million. LOL
21:04:18 <cannon-c[m]> if it was a hoax, hospitals would not be over-ran in places. However I do see that some govs are using emergency as excuse to grab more power
21:04:22 <nunbit[m]> <cannon-c[m] "covid19 is not a flu, its more l"> said not going into that here.
21:04:34 <cannon-c[m]> ok sorry
22:21:44 <kristian_on_linu> cheers
22:24:53 <kristian_on_linu> I now nothing about crypto, but it just dawned on my that my raspberry pi, which is running 24/7, might be able to mine some
22:26:57 <cannon-c[m]> is randomX profitable on rpi?
22:28:45 <moneromooo> I think it's not. Some other ARMs are though.
22:29:00 <cannon-c[m]> rock64pro?
23:14:40 <yanmaani> moneromooo: which ones?
23:14:46 <yanmaani> what's the break-even point?
23:56:52 <hyc> rpi sucks. all versions.
23:57:07 <hyc> rock64pro has a good chance