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kinghat[m]
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hyc
nice
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hyc
500kbps is ... meh. but I suppose useful in emergencies
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hyc
that antenna mast ... up here everyone's TV aerial is in their attic, because it's too windy to have something like that outside
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kinghat[m]
constant wind where youre located?
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>:
mixer.com/oZINTUSo come check me out... I'm playing MW... Streaming my gameplay... 😉 Bored lolembed: oZINTUSo - Mixer - oZINTUSo -
mixer.com/oZINTUSo
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: can we like slow down on using the bridges to advertise thingies and more for keeping it on-topic or somethin? x)
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: like, the hipsters on irc already not fond of discord, also, sidenote, you could directly stream directly on discord, like if you wanna give 2 boosts on the server, am sending you the amount in xmr through the tipbot and all done 😛
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I don't know how I would be able to do that with Xbox BTW.. 😉
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I guess watch my stream on mixer and stream that lol
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh, right, thought that was on pc, no idea either
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Well, TBH you could come watch 😉
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: 😛
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: @Kayla
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: eh, no likey fps games, also mixer is like from microsoft, right? same microsoft that doing that closed-source keylogged windows thingy or that blockchain data mining thingy:
thecryptoassociate.com/microsoft-fi…-patent-for-mineable-cryptocurrency
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: linux ftw \o/ :3
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Proofofwork#7437>: Yeah
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Proofofwork#7437>: Open source rules
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TrasherDK1
Hmmm. Body activity data??? So, are microsoft partnering with xhamster, or are they copying pornhub's "proof of jerk" algorithm?
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cutemoneroboy
monero good
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tryphe
moonero, proof of jerky
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yanmaani
moneromooo: Why wouldn't they trust a pool for 6 months?
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yanmaani
If they'd just be a registered company or something with transparency the harm would be limited.
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yanmaani
Also, they could just partner with finance people to sell futures.
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yanmaani
So, Pool Inc. cuts a deal with Futures Trading Inc. They'll mine into their address, and the traders will pay out their Monero
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yanmaani
meaning it's just strictly superior to mining with short lockup
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yanmaani
(And exhausing the capital would be Futures Trading Inc.'s problem)
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fuwa
profits needs to be made to pay those future people, which increases the cost of operation, hense increased pool fee, and more incentive for miners to not use a pool
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yanmaani
No, they don't
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yanmaani
The futures people just see "X XMR in Y months", put it into their formula, and quote a price
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yanmaani
If the price is too bad, miners can take the other side of the trade
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yanmaani
'lending out' XMR to other miners
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yanmaani
and earning the interest rate
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fuwa
if the pools do not pay, they don't have to work. there's exchange to buy/sell futures
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yanmaani
if you'd like to improve mining, one idea I've had is to make the block size variable in the short-term: demand varies across day and night, and it's a waste to always fill blocks up to the cap
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yanmaani
fuwa: Right, they go to the exchanges to sell futures
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yanmaani
So if you'd make nighttime blocks smaller, and daytime blocks larger, it'd be more efficient
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yanmaani
If the purpose is to make pool mining less bad, then one way might be to come up with a way to split rewards and contents.
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fuwa
and that's operation cost for the pool or whoever have to go through all these
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yanmaani
So, the pool gets the whole reward, but individual miners can choose which txns to include
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yanmaani
fuwa: Yes, but very small. Miners also have capital costs, so if anything this incentivizes pools
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fuwa
small?
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fuwa
pool fee is less then 1%
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yanmaani
Yeah, and wht if they don't mine? The cost doesn't go away you know
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yanmaani
don't pool mine*
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fuwa
? :D what
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yanmaani
What if you think then, that this pool fee of 1.05% is too much, and say you'd rather solo mine?
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yanmaani
Then you'd be selling the futures contracts yourselves instead, and not saving anything
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fuwa
interesting, but that's assuming operation cost of selling is 0
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fuwa
that's the whole point, it's not
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yanmaani
No it doesn't
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yanmaani
Say Monero has an interest rate of 2%
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yanmaani
then the formula is n * e^(-rt)
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yanmaani
so if t = 6 months, and n = 1.8, then 1.8*e^(-0.02*0.5) = 1.8 * .9900 = 1.782
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yanmaani
But solo miners need to pay this too, and they can probably not get as favourable deals with the exchanges
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fuwa
what
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fuwa
's n and r and t?
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yanmaani
r = annualized interest rate
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yanmaani
t = time in years
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yanmaani
n = face value
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yanmaani
So your proposal doesn't add anything, since you can synthetically choose to pay or receive the interest rate if you'd like. And solo miners face the same dilemma.
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yanmaani
Making mining less predictably profitable might help, so that mining farms have no strong guarantee of profitability. But that seems like a poor idea, since it would kill the hashrate
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fuwa
i can't understand this formula :D
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fuwa
looks legit
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fuwa
but that's not my point
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yanmaani
No, I get your point
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yanmaani
Mining pools would have to pay the interest rate if they'd wish to pay upfront
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yanmaani
Which would cause fees
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yanmaani
But these fees would also have to be paid by solo miners if they want to get paid upfront.
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fuwa
thanks for explaining
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fuwa
yes that's what i meant
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yanmaani
Also, the counterparty risk could be shifted: first I mine with a pool, which pays me Monero, and then I use those Monero to purchase a 6-month bond with a futures merchant I trust
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yanmaani
I don't think there's any good way to disincentivize pooled mining, but we can make it less dangerous. By encouraging solutions like P2pool and allowing miners to choose which transactions to include, the centralization risk is decreased
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fuwa
yanmaani: your ideal analysis only works out when there is a readily avaialbe financial market built on monero, which cost nothing to op
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fuwa
which would be great, if true, and desiable
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fuwa
are you sure pool can solve the upfront money easily, without ramping up pool fees?
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yanmaani
The fees are generally not super high
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yanmaani
look at BitMEX for example, we're talking about like 0.075%
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yanmaani
there's almost no counterparty risk, so you'll get a race to the bottom real quick
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yanmaani
The pool will ahve to pay the interest, but the point is there's no asymmetry
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yanmaani
So will small miners
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yanmaani
Or both of them can wait 6 months
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yanmaani
or the miner can mine, get the cash up front, and then invest it at the prevailing interest rate
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yanmaani
so it just becomes pointless
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fuwa
did you take withdraw fee into account?
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fuwa
you gotta get the money out :D
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fuwa
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fuwa
interesting
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yanmaani
it'll be a race to the bottom. The exchanges can be written in PHP and run by 12 year olds like that one bitcoin exchange once was and it doesn't matter
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yanmaani
since the counterparty risk is just for a few minutes
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fuwa
seems legit :p
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asymptotically
yanmaani: hey, don't diss tradeogre! it's enterprise quality php
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yanmaani
asymptotically: TradeOgre is run by adults?
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Inge-
I was convinced it was run by ogres
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Inge-
or for ogres?
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yanmaani
Bitcoinica is what I'm thinking of
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yanmaani
and he was 16 not 12
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yanmaani
"Bitcoinica was its sixteen-year-old creator’s first serious PHP project. He read up on PHP, Ruby on Rails, personal finance and startups, and wrote an exchange.82 It collapsed in May 2012: “No database backups … Everyone had root.”83 The exchange’s remaining funds were lost in further hacks, after the administrators turned out to be using their (leaked) Mt. Gox password as their LastPass
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yanmaani
password.84"
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fuwa
time to increase the block unlock time to 50 years
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yanmaani
e^(-0.02*50) = 37%
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yanmaani
i.e. you just reduce the block reward by 63%
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fuwa
aint no body sell
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fuwa
eat that
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fuwa
yanmaani: can you explain why the interest rate needs to be positive?
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fuwa
just curious
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yanmaani
fuwa: It doesn't. If the interest rate is negative, then you'll earn money by selling futures.
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yanmaani
It seems like you could do cash-and-carry arbitrage though
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yanmaani
and earn risk-free money
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yanmaani
(buy monero, sell future expiring in 1 year, pocket the difference)
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yanmaani
and since there's no cost of carry, it would be corrected
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yanmaani
but the Euro has negative interest rate because there is no way to actually hold euros except for physical cash
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yanmaani
which costs money to store
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fuwa
so it can be 0
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fuwa
nvm
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yanmaani
yes, it can
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fuwa
thx :p
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moneromooo
yanmaani: the more you have to wait, the more likely it is the pool does a runner in that time (and the more the yet unpaid monero the pool has, making the runner more likely). And from my experience, miners want to be paid more than daily or they freak out, it's crazy short term for many.
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yanmaani
moneromooo: No, you don't have to wait.
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yanmaani
The pool puts the monero in the exchange's account, the exchange sends unencumbered monero
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yanmaani
The exchange does the waiting, but they also keep completel custody of the Moenro
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fuwa
wall street certified
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yanmaani
moneromooo: Is the goal to disincentivize pooled mining, professional mining, or to make pools less harmful?
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moneromooo
The goal of what ?
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asymptotically
allowing the miner reward tx to be locked for longer for a greater reward, i think
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moneromooo
Oh. That was to encourage people to mine themselves rather than to a pool.
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moneromooo
It'd be interesting if a coin did this, to see if it causes this, or merely makes pool miners leave altogether.
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moneromooo
Or just doesn't work.
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yanmaani
moneromooo: Of your proposals.
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yanmaani
Bitcoin does lock miner rewards, but for other reasons.
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yanmaani
What would happen is that pools would start selling futures contracts and pay out identically.
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moneromooo
That just moves the waiting, as you also admitted earlier.
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moneromooo
There's no free lunch. You can smoosh out risk, but it still ends up somewhere. As fuwa said, the game might be to hide it well though :)
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moneromooo
Well, in a world where risk is ~equivalent to money.
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moneromooo
Like insurance, really. They can say "we protect your stuff" but we all (should) know it's bullshit. They just pay you if shit happens, but shit can still happen.
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moneromooo
I suppose if the futures are sold by a really trustworthy counterparty, it might help bring costs down to very little. But even then I suspect that the failure of that counterparty would cost a lot more, such that the overall expected cost is the same in the very long run...
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moneromooo
Since many poeple would likely trade with that counterparty for the perceived lower risk, meaning a failure costs money to a lot more people.
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moneromooo
Why am I even thinking about economics here. Bleh.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> Hi
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> I want to spread the blockchain directory of my custom node over multiple folders is this possible with monerod?
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moneromooo
Maybe if you use LVM.
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xmrmatterbridge
<rbrunner7> The Monero blockchain is basically a single very big file that you can't split into smaller files. I don't see how you could use "multiple folders".
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> Can I use LVM on drives that are already being used
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> currently I have my blockchain on my main drive where root is located
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> but it is almost full
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> and I still have an empty drive
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moneromooo
No clue. I just know LVM can span multiple disks, but even that's a long shot. rbrunner7's answer is probably the right one.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> can I just somehow add its volume to the main drive with LVM?
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moneromooo
No clue. I just know LVM can span multiple disks, but even that's a long shot. rbrunner7's answer is probably the right one.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> ok I will try geting my hands on a bigger drive
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> Are you aware that the feenode IRC is blocking tor exit nodes?
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moneromooo
No. Are you using SASL ? There's a special setup if you use tor.
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moneromooo
ie, you can't go through the bog standard irc.freenode.net.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> I tried using kiwi
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> the online firc client
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> irc*
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moneromooo
There's a howto somewhere on freenode.net.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> ok i'll check it out
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moneromooo
The one anonying thing is that you need to have made an account without tor first, which is understandable but kinda defeats the point.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> well that indeed defeats the point
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moneromooo
So many people seem to have it in for freenode. No good deed goes unpunished I guess...
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> why don't you guys migrate to a more tor friendly environment?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> as a privacy focussed cryptocurrency
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moneromooo
I like IRC. But many people went elsewhere.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> maybe you could create a XMPP group
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moneromooo
Find someone who's got some reputation with the monero community who wants to create one.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> I could do that
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moneromooo
Or create one and see if people flock to it.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> it is quite easy to setup
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> yes maybe ill do that
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> you are a developer for the monero project right?
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moneromooo
Yes.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> is there a fork coming soon?
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moneromooo
No.
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moneromooo
Well, depends on how soon you mean I guess. No set date anyway.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> are you working on post-quantum cryptography?
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moneromooo
I think it's mostly about waiting to see what research in the field yields atm.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> makes sense
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moneromooo
And whether new schemes get broken :)
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> do you think the opaqueness of the current blockchain will be broken?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> eg RingCT and ring signatures
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moneromooo
So vague and unknown. But attacks only get better.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> which attacks currently exist?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> I have read about malicious miners
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moneromooo
Search for "breaking monero", I think this lists most of them or so.
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> ok
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> any you think are especially dangerous?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> also
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> if ringCT would be broken
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> then all amounts would be public right?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> does the protocol include mixins that are possible
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> so that have sufficient balance?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> and even in that case wouldnt it be possible with enough computing power to correlate transactions if all amounts are public?
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xmrmatterbridge
<jamy.cho> would it be better to send transaction change to a fresh subaddress instead of to the main address?
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TrasherDK1
About "<jamy.cho> can I just somehow add its volume to the main drive with LVM?"
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TrasherDK1
Even Windows support the concept of mount points. Meaning, you can add an extra partition anywhere on your existing structure.
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yanmaani
moneromooo: No, there's very limited counterparty risk.
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yanmaani
The futures contract people absorb it.
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yanmaani
They loan 1.8 XMR, sell it, and then cover their short when the Monero they bought becomes unencumbered.
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yanmaani
If they mess up their hedging, then that's their problem.
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yanmaani
The miners or the pools don't have to worry
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yanmaani
They get their money instantly
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yanmaani
The exchange has to hold the bags and do the waiting, and they get paid for this risk. But it's less like buying fire insurance than selling your house: if it burns down, not my problem, I got paid already
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moneromooo
"Absorb" is not free, but whatever.
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TrasherDK1
Does that mean that, if the exchange believes that the XMR/USD rate is going to drop significantly over the next period, miners will accept a significantly lower pay per block found?
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ScanneD
.xmr
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TrasherDK1
.usd
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TrasherDK1
.price usd
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ScanneD
mining in a lan with one computer access to internet ? is this possible, how?
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TrasherDK1
Proxy springs to mind.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I agree proxy
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ScanneD
TrasherDK1 : any link to try? :)
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TrasherDK1
Jeezzz. Google xmr proxy.
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ScanneD
i tried but idk if i can apply this to xmrig
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: TrasherDK1 lol they just wanna be spoon fed
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TrasherDK1
If it's stratum, you can.
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ScanneD
actually im reading atm about haproxy :)
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ScanneD
nway thank you.
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TrasherDK1
xmrig can mine against a monero daemon. No pool needed. If you wanna go full nerd, use monero-pool. Also available on google...
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ScanneD
noted TrasherDK1
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TrasherDK1
8-)
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ScanneD
i hope i can make it :) 4 tesla kinda useful
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TrasherDK1
I have no clue as to what that mean, but hey..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Hey TrasherDK that monero-pool built in C that is on github is a pretty simple looking application but I'd like to see what the API looks like.. I'd like to know how hard it will be to make a different UI read this API... I really like the dvandal pool but am having soooooo many problems with it since the Muscleman incident...
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yanmaani
moneromooo: ??
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yanmaani
If it's 6 months then that's 6 months of interest, so somewhere in the ballpark of 1%
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yanmaani
TrasherDK1: spot-future parity
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TrasherDK1
I know about "The Muscleman incident". It doesn't get worse than that. What a dick.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Yeah I cannot get a new pool up and going... This current one reports found blocks as "Prop" in the block hash field.. I put an issue on it, but I'm no coder so I don't know where to look lol
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yanmaani
what?
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I recognized your name from Github Trasher
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TrasherDK1
The "API" is pretty limited at the moment, but the code base is easy to read, if you feel like extending the UI. A separate application doing stuff with the database, getting data over to a separate db, to display all kinds of stats, would be cool.
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TrasherDK1
yanmaani: I guess I don't get it. How can you put a number on the price of any currency in 6 months?
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TrasherDK1
LOUD Mining: I have a pre "Musclemann fuckup" clone of that thing. It's probably pre randomx, but no pain no gain...
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moneromooo
By using plenty of currencies I guess. One might fall hard, but if enough of them don't, you take the hit in the former and still profit from the rest. There's a hidden cost though, if the company folds. Much less likely, but much more damage if it does. So people dismiss it.
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moneromooo
And hey, it works most of the time.
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TrasherDK1
Yeah, until it don't. Then shit hit's the fan... Everybody screaming scam..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: TrasherDK1: I as well.. But I thought RandomX came out in early 19? Like March or something... I dunno I honestly am just getting into Monero... I've been reading things here and there but there's so much false information and confusing links and dead links now that it's hard to find anything relevant to RandomX.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: TrasherDK1: I would love to start up a Monero pool to add to our site... It's just very confusing to say the least...
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I would be interested in looking at your clone to see the differences between what I already have and what you have...
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TrasherDK1
Mine is too old for RandomX. It's from Jul 7, 2019. I kinda gave up on the software when that dude went all dictator on it.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: UGH... This is so frustrating...
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TrasherDK1
Actually, the clone I have on my server is much later than the github thing.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: would you mind zipping it up and sending to me??
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TrasherDK1
commit 720bab9b9e26b923d2004c85c417c483136f96b5 - Sat Nov 16 11:08:57 2019 -0600 - adding RandomX back into pool.js
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: ♥️
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yanmaani
TrasherDK1: Spot-future parity
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TrasherDK1
This is about that time when he started to fuck around with dev fee, and donation addresses.
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yanmaani
google it
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yanmaani
If it's not the same as now, the current price would adjust
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yanmaani
I explained it above
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yanmaani
You're gonna get 1.8 XMR in 6 months. You seek to find out how much XMR you can pay now and have a zero PNL.
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yanmaani
So you take a loan of N XMR so that your liability in 6 months comes to 1.8 XMR. Find N by looking at the interest rate, like of a zero-coupon bond
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yanmaani
Then use the loan to pay out, and cover it as soon as reward becomes unencumbered. Done.
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yanmaani
If the company folds, that is their problem - they pay upfront, remember?
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: TrasherDK1: Oh I've already figured out how to remove the donation addresses and replace it with my own so I can actually get the pool to payout the fees... If he had placed that functionality into the pool in the first place I think that no one would have started removing his donation addresses... I mean NOMP and other pools I've used already have the `PoolFeeAddress: "",` built into the config... I m
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TrasherDK1
yanmaani: Okay. Leave it.. I'm not going to dive into the inner workings of financial markets...
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moneromooo
There's no need. Getting rid of financial risk for free is like perpetual motion. There's always a hidden cost.
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moneromooo
Granted, economics is much more... woolly :)
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TrasherDK1
Yeah. Shit ain't free..
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moneromooo
Cue someone trying to find a special case where it is free...
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yanmaani
moneromooo: The only risk here is that Monero crashes.
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TrasherDK1
Well. Knock your selves out.. I'm not gonna hold my breath waiting :D
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yanmaani
And that's not a problem in this model, since their liability is also in XMR.
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TrasherDK1
Are you going to offer your solution with 50 x leverage?
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yanmaani
So, in this model: I keep a pile of money lying around (USD, XAU, XMR, XBT, don't matter). Someone wants to sell a block reward of XMR 1.8. I quote them an interest rate, say 2%. They mine it to an address I control. I immediately sell XMR 1.8, and also give them 1.7 XMR.
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yanmaani
In 6 months, I will get XMR 1.8.
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yanmaani
If I sell it on margin, then I have to pay interest. If this interest is below XMR 0.1, I gain money.
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yanmaani
Else I lose.
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yanmaani
TrasherDK1: no, no need for that
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yanmaani
If I'm using my own capital, then it's just like putting it in the bank.
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yanmaani
Basically, all you've done is re-invented a bizarre form of proof of stake.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: TrasherDK1: Dude, I think your copy is newer than my copy... I'm forking you xD
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TrasherDK1
Wait a minute.. I'll branch and push..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: it's like 1023 commits ahead of dvandal's...
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TrasherDK1
Okay. My local is the same as my master. Go for it..
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TrasherDK1
I haven't done a fetch upstream in a long time. I didn't like the shit he was pulling.
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TrasherDK1
BTW. I have no idea who's donation addresses are in there.
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derpy_bridge
[keybase] <kaylasu>: @jamy.cho "why don't you guys migrate to a more tor friendly environment?"
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derpy_bridge
[keybase] <kaylasu>: you mean like keybase? :P
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: it will be muscleman... But I am adding my own so it won't matter.. LoL...
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TrasherDK1
TOR is for CIA and criminals. Haven't you heard?
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: and IRC is for boomers hipsters, haven't you heard? :3
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TrasherDK1
Dude. I'm older than your dad.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Kayla#5718>: 😿
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Btw I have fixed the proto-pollution problem with mailgun-js... I have the repo on my git for mailgun-js... I am sure it's a simple solution for them to fix but I don't have the time to play with them... I just forked it and fixed it on my own repo then will add it to my forked version of your fork... LMAO
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TrasherDK1
Come to think about it. My generation caused to boom :D
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TrasherDK1
s/to/the
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: TrasherDK1: lmao I'm a product of a boomer... lmao
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I'm 42 so yeah you're probably old enough to be my dad.. xD
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TrasherDK1
Second generation boomer.
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TrasherDK1
So you are spawning millennials ?
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: I spawned only one... lol
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: And he's def a Millenial ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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TrasherDK1
Well. Looking at those spoilde fuckups, one is plenty.
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TrasherDK1
Okay. Back to whatever we were talking about..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Absolutely... I don't regret having him, I only regret WHO it was that I had him with...
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Yep... I've just fixed my package.json..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: removed muscleman as the maintainer... lol
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Added my mailgun-js git.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: let's see.. Time to change donation address...
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TrasherDK1
ME ME ME!
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: You can change it yourself... It's in lib/configReader.js
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: just delete all those and put what you want in, in that format.. 🙂
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: also line 117 `let percent = config.blockUnlocker.devDonation || 0.2;;` just remove that...
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TrasherDK1
Jezz... You just forked that stuff off me, and now you are telling me about the donation / fee stuff. That was what all my PR's was about.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Just saying I removed his and added mine so I could get my pool fees paid out... Otherwise the pool fees just sit there...
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Have to just use the wallet and get the fees that were paid that way... Not cool if you asked me... But either way... This has helped me very much! I just wish I had found this out sooner!
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: How can we donate to you?? I wanna send you a beer or something...
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TrasherDK1
If I remember correctly, there's another mechanism for separating pool into fee wallet. I might remember wrong thou..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: it's not built in there that I can tell... if so there'd be a `poolFeeAddress: "",` option in the config.json
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TrasherDK1
No problem. Should I get thirsty, I'll let you know.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: LMAO keep in touch man... You'll see me around the crypto space for sure...
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TrasherDK1
So, the "poolFeeAddress" thingy could be your contribution 8-)
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: if I knew how to add it I would LoL... I'm not that great a coder rofl
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TrasherDK1
But you know how to remove stuff. Never mind.. Should I ever think about using that software, I would implement it.
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: LoL I said before I can follow code, modify it a little and "Make it work" but by far I am no coder...
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TrasherDK1
But, if you can read the code, and understand it.. You are already more than half the way. It's only javascript..
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TrasherDK1
blockUnlocker.js line #221 onwards. Try it out..
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: let poolFeeAddress = config.blockUnlocker.poolFeeAddress; That would be the start of things...
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: But as to actually writing up a function to payout to that address.. I'm clueless...
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: Now I'm having problems with it recognizing the correct algo... FML...
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derpy_bridge
[discord] <Joshua - Zintus LOUD Mining#3937>: This one seems like it may be broken... The other one was working, but it didn't seem to store the block hash correctly... I am working on looking at the redis database but cannot get to redis-commander... Starting a pool shouldn't be this difficult...
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niocbrrrrrr
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duso
Is everyone still constantly getting these messages? "2020-04-05 21:07:54.984 W There were 26 blocks in the last 20 minutes, there might be large hash rate changes, or we might be partitioned, cut off from the Monero network or under attack. Or it could be just sheer bad luck."
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yanmaani
Is using cold storage + public key a supported use-case in Monero? "outgoing transactions cannot be reliably viewed as of June 2017. Therefore, the balance of a Monero address as shown via a viewkey should not be relied upon."
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yanmaani
Is this true?
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selsta
Supported use case in what way?
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selsta
Someone sharing his view key to see incoming transactions? Yes.
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selsta
But the total balance will not be correct unless key images are imported.
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asymptotically
yanmaani: you have to do a bit of backwards and forwards between the offline pc and the online pc
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yanmaani
selsta: In what direction, too high or too low?
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yanmaani
asymptotically: For setup or always?
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selsta
yanmaani: too high
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asymptotically
too high, you won't see outgoing transactions
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selsta
also change will look like incoming tx
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selsta
the balance will be correct as long as you only receive transactions
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yanmaani
But if the cold wallet is compromised, there's no way to know?
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asymptotically
if you export all of the outputs from your hot/view-only wallet, import them into the airgapped cold computer, export the key images into the online pc, and then you can see the full transaction history of you or mr hacker
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yanmaani
But it's not possible to do otherwise?
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yanmaani
If I have just a view key plus the unsigned transactions, what exactly can I gather? That there was a transaction out of the address?