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7 Mar 2020

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• 00:00
  selsta
  ndorf: so the current one is ok?
• 00:00
  selsta
  i didn’t test it
• 00:01
  ndorf
  no, it has to be either 'hash filename' or 'SHA256(filename) = hash'
• 00:02
  ndorf
  the current one is 'filename, hash' which is not accepted
• 00:18
  lza_menace
  configuring a node over anonymizing networks is exclusive, right? you either pick tor or i2p?
• 00:21
  lza_menace
  if so, is there a general preference between those 2?
• 00:22
  mmxxx[m]
  Yes, tor.
• 00:23
  lza_menace
  that's the thing, I'm reading reddit and stackexchange posts stating i2p is better to use
• 00:24
  mmxxx[m]
  Based upon what?
• 00:24
  lza_menace
  monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…r-tor-for-native-monero-integration
• 00:24
  lza_menace
  reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/2ti53m…y_is_monero_aiming_to_integrate_i2p
• 00:24
  mmxxx[m]
  Hardly anybody uses i2p
• 00:24
  lza_menace
  monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…like-bisq-network-profit-from-kovri
• 00:25
  yanmaani
  what is the purpose of kovri when Tor exists?
• 00:26
  lza_menace
  i don't think there's a point in talking about kovri anymore
• 00:26
  mmxxx[m]
  <lza_menace "reddit.com/r/Monero"> Old thread. Try and use i2p now. Tell me how that works out for you.
• 00:28
  yanmaani
  lza_menace: did it die?
• 00:28
  lza_menace
  mmxxx: yeah, i'll try out both. I've never used i2p at all
• 00:29
  mmxxx[m]
  i2p has never been usable gor me. I always ask people to test it before suggesting it as a solution.
• 00:30
  yanmaani
  That is because it is missing some trivial features
• 00:30
  yanmaani
  not because of inherent flaws
• 00:31
  mmxxx[m]
  <yanmaani "not because of inherent flaws"> What's the difference between missing practical features and 'inherent flaws'?
• 00:32
  yanmaani
  It's not unfixable/inherent to the design
• 00:33
  mmxxx[m]
  ...
• 00:35
  yanmaani
  important distinction!
• 01:14
  mmxxx[m]
  * i2p has never been usable for me. I always ask people to test it before suggesting it as a solution.
• 02:05
  selsta
  binaryFate: turns out fluffy never used the hash double space name format. I’m quite confused where I picked that up but I guess it is something to consider for the next release.
• 04:56
  duso
  .usd
• 04:56
  duso
  how come the bot does not respond to me?? =(
• 04:58
  Randolf
  .cad
• 04:58
  Randolf
  Hmm.
• 04:58
  manifest
  try on -markets or -pools
• 04:58
  manifest
  also the bot is broken since coinmarketcap api change
• 05:34
  duso
  I saw someone using it yesterday and the bot was working. When did the api change?
• 05:35
  duso
  I am guessing you need voice
• 05:35
  Mochi101
  api changed ages ago
• 05:35
  Mochi101
  But the old api was still available to use.
• 05:35
  Mochi101
  Now it's not.
• 12:02
  yanmaani
  Do you know if there is an open-source exchange somewhere? Preferably non-custodial, like shapeshift or xmr.to.
• 12:09
  azy
  like bisq?
• 12:10
  yanmaani
  No, like shapeshift or xmr.to.
• 12:10
  yanmaani
  Bisq is too complex.
• 12:27
  fiddleitout
  yanmaani localmonero.co maybe useful?
• 12:30
  azy
  i dont think thats open source
• 12:33
  gingeropolous
  i mean, technically yanmaani , xmr.to and shapeshift are custodial, just for a little bit of time
• 12:33
  gingeropolous
  the only true non custodial at this point is bisq
• 12:34
  gingeropolous
  i don't think there are any instant open source exchanges like that
• 12:34
  gingeropolous
  well, there may be.
• 12:34
  gingeropolous
  but at the end of the day, your gonna need wallets for all of the related coins and access to a major exchange for actual exchanges
• 12:37
  yanmaani
  Well, I suppose you could build your own exchange and bolt on an instant exchange support to it.
• 12:37
  yanmaani
  fiddleitout: nah not really
• 12:37
  Mochi101
  When atomic swap?
• 12:37
  gingeropolous
  tuesday
• 12:38
  Mochi101
  Nice!
• 12:38
  gingeropolous
  yeah just call 1-800-atmc-swp
• 12:38
  gingeropolous
  gets you setup in a jiffy
• 12:38
  Mochi101
  Is there a standard out?
• 12:38
  gingeropolous
  it creates philotic spindles between the blockchains
• 12:39
  asymptotically
  tuesday? i thought it was going to take at least 2 weeks(TM)
• 12:39
  yanmaani
  18 months™
• 12:39
  gingeropolous
  i think we need to integrate more orson scott card into our names
• 12:39
  gingeropolous
  enough of this ..... esperanto
• 13:55
  Mochi101
  ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/serhack-monero-integrations-part-3.html
• 13:56
  SerHack
  <3 thank you
• 13:56
  Mochi101
  Thank you!
• 13:56
  Mochi101
  I love this.
• 13:56
  SerHack
  any amount is really appreciated :D
• 13:59
  Mochi101
  I have.
• 14:00
  Mochi101
  SerHack, it really needs a graphic here though: lewd.pics/p/?i=33sj.jpg
• 14:00
  Mochi101
  I think I mentioned this before.
• 14:00
  Mochi101
  Then it looks more "official"
• 14:01
  SerHack
  I know
• 14:02
  Mochi101
  Monero Payment Gateway for Woocommerce may be a better title too.
• 14:04
  Mochi101
  Personally I think this kind of stuff is really important, I hope you get a lot more support.
• 14:04
  Mochi101
  I wish that there was a BTC plugin that made it this easy to accept BTC with no third party.
• 14:09
  SerHack
  Thank you!
• 17:04
  fiddleitout
  time for coffee Chat invidious.ggc-project.de/watch?v=jXOpGLmzyrI
• 18:49
  philkode
  builds aren't signed by Fluffy anymore are they?
• 18:50
  rottensox
  Snipa is the new lead maintainer.
• 18:50
  philkode
  so the instructions on web.getmonero.org/resources/user-gu…es/verification-allos-advanced.html that detail importing fluffy's key are outdated?
• 18:50
  rottensox
  philkode: getmonero.org/2019/12/16/technical-responsibilities-update.html
• 18:51
  philkode
  just helping someone on /r/monerosupport who's having issue verifying the hashes.txt file by following that guide
• 18:51
  kinghat
  selsta: stated in the reddit thread that the guide will be updated shortly
• 18:51
  philkode
  yeah i read that a while back
• 18:52
  selsta
  kinghat: yes ErCiccione[m] opened a PR
• 18:52
  kinghat
  👌
• 18:52
  philkode
  any advice on how to verify hashes.txt in the meantime?
• 18:52
  philkode
  who's sig needs imported?
• 18:53
  philkode
  guessing binaryfate
• 18:53
  selsta
  yes
• 18:54
  binaryFate
  replace fluffypony with binaryfate in the guide, the rest is the same. (The key fingerprint will look different too).
• 18:56
  philkode
  will advise that, thanks
• 19:28
  hv-bridge
  <4​iuu> ii
• 20:06
  Feuermagier
  Does the standard "monerod" daemon already use the ip-obfuscation protocol?
• 20:12
  moneromooo
  Tor ? You can set it up to relay your txes on tor or i2p (not default).
• 20:13
  moneromooo
  If you want it fully on tor (ie, all p2p traffic), then use torsocks or some other such system.
• 20:23
  Feuermagier
  @moneromooo, i wondered if kovri is implemented by default
• 20:23
  Feuermagier
  or if i need to take further steps to ensure that a transaction does not originate from me
• 20:29
  selsta
  kovri is not implemented
• 20:32
  Feuermagier
  alright. I run a Tor-Relay on the same network anyway. Is it ok to use that or is it better to run it locally?
• 20:53
  cannon-c[m]
  monreo needs hidden service address like bitcoin
• 20:53
  cannon-c[m]
  so xmr nodes can be reached by the onion address
• 20:54
  cannon-c[m]
  using the clearnet is just way to insecure
• 20:54
  Feuermagier
  cannon-c[m], i assume i'd have to give my xmr daemon targets on the tor network
• 20:55
  Feuermagier
  can i still connect to it via clearnet?
• 21:00
  cannon-c[m]
  I mean "clearnet insecure" is blanket comment for everything
• 21:01
  cannon-c[m]
  but encryption can make it okay. But If every xmr node was behind tor, then they would be not able to take inbound connections if no onion address.
• 21:01
  cannon-c[m]
  for node anonimity and inbound connections I think onion address support should be added. Kovri looks nice too
• 21:02
  Feuermagier
  cannon-c[m], assuming i acces my node from my smartphone, is that connection encrypted by default?
• 21:02
  cannon-c[m]
  but might be possible to hack together a way for onion addresses routing to local xmr process using crazy iptables rules or something but I think it should be natively supported
• 21:02
  cannon-c[m]
  I dont know
• 21:03
  Feuermagier
  ideally the daemon would use my SSL-certificate to identify itself securely
• 21:03
  cannon-c[m]
  if you were using onion or i2p hidden service address it would be but I dont know about clearnet access
• 21:04
  Feuermagier
  tor has a different proof of identity system right in the addresses themselve
• 21:04
  cannon-c[m]
  yes. The address is a hash of the public key
• 21:04
  cannon-c[m]
  so without the private key the onion address cannot be spoofed
• 21:05
  Feuermagier
  essentially I want to host a node myself (which i can then trust) to broadcast my transaction anonymously
• 21:05
  cannon-c[m]
  the address of tor and i2p is self verifying
• 21:05
  cannon-c[m]
  Im excited about kovri
• 21:05
  selsta
  cannon-c[m]: anonimal is currently mostly working on gitlab.com/sekreta/sekreta
• 21:05
  cannon-c[m]
  have to go but I am wondering, will kovri let nodes have inbound and outbound connections all through i2p?
• 21:06
  cannon-c[m]
  I'll check it out.
• 21:19
  yanmaani
  cannon-c[m]: Doesn't it already support onion addr?
• 21:19
  yanmaani
  It does for the remote nodes.
• 21:27
  yanmaani
  selsta: Correct me if I am wrong there but doesn't this make you _more_ vulnerable?
• 21:27
  yanmaani
  if you send something to someone through Tor, it's all or nothing yes
• 21:28
  yanmaani
  but if you send half over Tor and half over I2P, and I2P leaks your identity
• 21:28
  yanmaani
  then how is that an improvement? If you use 30 different anonymity networks, then it's enough for 1 to dail
• 21:28
  yanmaani
  fail*
• 21:29
  selsta
  I don’t know.
• 21:33
  yanmaani
  like if you make the thought experiments that someone included rot13-encrypted tcp as one of the anonymity networks
• 21:33
  yanmaani
  and it then sends one of the four shared over tcp
• 21:33
  yanmaani
  then that will not be a good thing
• 21:34
  yanmaani
  one of the four shares*
• 21:34
  selsta
  why not a good thing?
• 21:34
  selsta
  isn’t the point that all all anonymity networks have to get compromised?
• 21:36
  selsta
  I would guess it uses something like shamir’s secret sharing where it does not matter if one of the anonymity networks if rot13 encryption, as long as N/M are secure.
• 21:38
  selsta
  yanmaani: see here gitlab.com/sekreta/sekreta/-/blob/master/doc/README.md
• 21:40
  yanmaani
  No, it prevents an adversary from reading the contents
• 21:40
  yanmaani
  but if one of the anonymity networks do not actually make you anonymous, and you are connecting to an adversary
• 21:40
  yanmaani
  then that is not so good
• 21:41
  yanmaani
  Or do they do some kind of magic trick to make it impossible for the nodes to find out who is who?
• 23:28
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Hey Can someone help me with XMR why i Didnt see them when i send them from my other XMR wallet? i have xmrchain.net, etc and everything is fine buy my Monero is gone
• 23:29
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Hey Can someone help me with XMR why i Didnt see them when i send them from my other XMR wallet? i have xmrchain.net, etc and everything is fine but my Monero is gone
• 23:30
  dEBRUYNE
  Which wallet software did you use?
• 23:31
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> GUI wallet from getmonero.org
• 23:32
  moneromooo
  Check the "refresh from height" value is lower than the current heiht, which is... ~2049400.
• 23:32
  moneromooo
  Should be somewhere in the options.
• 23:32
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Ye I making it since 10 hours and nothing happened its just gone
• 23:33
  selsta
  garmi
• 23:33
  selsta
  garmmi*, did you send from an external wallet to monero gui?
• 23:35
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> It was from site which change BTC to XMR and its legit site there'shttps://xmrchain.net/tx/1ebe041d73102210ec3aec91edff2b64075e5d34de9307b1afd56ab9fb202b74
• 23:36
  selsta
  open your wallet in the GUI, what does it say in the bottom left corner?
• 23:37
  moneromooo
  If "pwned", it's a bad start.
• 23:37
  selsta
  It should look like this: usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E…ot%202020-03-08%20at%2000.37.10.png
• 23:37
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> I was changing it's now Synchronizing to my PC i was using also Remote Node
• 23:38
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> In Remote Node i still doesn't see my monero on account
• 23:39
  selsta
  For testing purposes can you change to a remote node and then restore your wallet from seed?
• 23:39
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> yes
• 23:39
  selsta
  Set the restore height to e.g. 2018-02-01 if you first received Monero in February 2018.
• 23:40
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> im logging now out delete my wallet
• 23:40
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> and restore it with seed
• 23:40
  selsta
  Don’t delete your wallet yet
• 23:40
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> okey
• 23:40
  selsta
  just create a new wallet from seed
• 23:40
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi>
• 23:40
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> create new wallet and from seed ye?
• 23:40
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> or restore wallet from keys
• 23:41
  selsta
  form seed
• 23:43
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> If my first transaction on this wallet was yesterday i should youse this date? If my first transaction on this wallet was yesterday i should youse this date? :
• 23:43
  selsta
  yes
• 23:43
  selsta
  2020-03-07
• 23:44
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> should i download all chains or can go by bootstrap nodeshould i download all chains or can go by bootstrap node:
• 23:44
  selsta
  You can set a remote node (e.g. node.xmr.to:18081)
• 23:48
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Its synchronizing, and my wallet all the time shows 0Its synchronizing, and my wallet all the time shows 0:
• 23:50
  yanmaani
  If it hasn't synchronized yet the numbers don't matter
• 23:50
  yanmaani
  I've had the same problem once before, and it just had to rescan and then it worked.
• 23:53
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Also I had two recive addresses and I didnt send Primary address to recive XMR but other one
• 23:53
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> which I create
• 23:53
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Does it matter?
• 23:53
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> which I create in MONERO GUI
• 23:54
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> Oh thanks Bro
• 23:54
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> you saved my life :)
• 23:55
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> @relay
• 23:55
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> If i will have some XMR left send me on private message your address XMR
• 23:55
  xmrmatterbridge
  <garmmi> and i Will send you some :)