00:00:50 <selsta> ndorf: so the current one is ok?
00:00:59 <selsta> i didn’t test it
00:01:59 <ndorf> no, it has to be either 'hash filename' or 'SHA256(filename) = hash'
00:02:14 <ndorf> the current one is 'filename, hash' which is not accepted
00:18:56 <lza_menace> configuring a node over anonymizing networks is exclusive, right? you either pick tor or i2p?
00:21:03 <lza_menace> if so, is there a general preference between those 2?
00:22:47 <mmxxx[m]> Yes, tor.
00:23:49 <lza_menace> that's the thing, I'm reading reddit and stackexchange posts stating i2p is better to use
00:24:14 <mmxxx[m]> Based upon what?
00:24:27 <lza_menace> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/16/why-was-i2p-chosen-over-tor-for-native-monero-integration
00:24:31 <lza_menace> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/2ti53m/why_is_monero_aiming_to_integrate_i2p/
00:24:31 <mmxxx[m]> Hardly anybody uses i2p
00:24:38 <lza_menace> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/8250/can-a-dex-like-bisq-network-profit-from-kovri
00:25:30 <yanmaani> what is the purpose of kovri when Tor exists?
00:26:18 <lza_menace> i don't think there's a point in talking about kovri anymore
00:26:48 <mmxxx[m]> <lza_menace "https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/"> Old thread. Try and use i2p now. Tell me how that works out for you.
00:28:22 <yanmaani> lza_menace: did it die?
00:28:35 <lza_menace> mmxxx: yeah, i'll try out both. I've never used i2p at all
00:29:49 <mmxxx[m]> i2p has never been usable gor me. I always ask people to test it before suggesting it as a solution.
00:30:03 <yanmaani> That is because it is missing some trivial features
00:30:07 <yanmaani> not because of inherent flaws
00:31:36 <mmxxx[m]> <yanmaani "not because of inherent flaws"> What's the difference between missing practical features and 'inherent flaws'?
00:32:18 <yanmaani> It's not unfixable/inherent to the design
00:33:06 <mmxxx[m]> ...
00:35:23 <yanmaani> important distinction!
01:14:35 <mmxxx[m]> * i2p has never been usable for me. I always ask people to test it before suggesting it as a solution.
02:05:08 <selsta> binaryFate: turns out fluffy never used the hash double space name format. I’m quite confused where I picked that up but I guess it is something to consider for the next release.
04:56:10 <duso> .usd
04:56:23 <duso> how come the bot does not respond to me?? =(
04:58:17 <Randolf> .cad
04:58:28 <Randolf> Hmm.
04:58:47 <manifest> try on -markets or -pools
04:58:54 <manifest> also the bot is broken since coinmarketcap api change
05:34:46 <duso> I saw someone using it yesterday and the bot was working. When did the api change?
05:35:04 <duso> I am guessing you need voice
05:35:21 <Mochi101> api changed ages ago
05:35:34 <Mochi101> But the old api was still available to use.
05:35:37 <Mochi101> Now it's not.
12:02:16 <yanmaani> Do you know if there is an open-source exchange somewhere? Preferably non-custodial, like shapeshift or xmr.to.
12:09:31 <azy> like bisq?
12:10:47 <yanmaani> No, like shapeshift or xmr.to.
12:10:54 <yanmaani> Bisq is too complex.
12:27:57 <fiddleitout> yanmaani localmonero.co maybe useful?
12:30:04 <azy> i dont think thats open source
12:33:22 <gingeropolous> i mean, technically yanmaani , xmr.to and shapeshift are custodial, just for a little bit of time
12:33:46 <gingeropolous> the only true non custodial at this point is bisq
12:34:15 <gingeropolous> i don't think there are any instant open source exchanges like that
12:34:29 <gingeropolous> well, there may be.
12:34:59 <gingeropolous> but at the end of the day, your gonna need wallets for all of the related coins and access to a major exchange for actual exchanges
12:37:05 <yanmaani> Well, I suppose you could build your own exchange and bolt on an instant exchange support to it.
12:37:10 <yanmaani> fiddleitout: nah not really
12:37:51 <Mochi101> When atomic swap?
12:37:56 <gingeropolous> tuesday
12:38:00 <Mochi101> Nice!
12:38:26 <gingeropolous> yeah just call 1-800-atmc-swp
12:38:39 <gingeropolous> gets you setup in a jiffy
12:38:47 <Mochi101> Is there a standard out?
12:38:59 <gingeropolous> it creates philotic spindles between the blockchains
12:39:00 <asymptotically> tuesday? i thought it was going to take at least 2 weeks(TM)
12:39:15 <yanmaani> 18 months™
12:39:28 <gingeropolous> i think we need to integrate more orson scott card into our names
12:39:51 <gingeropolous> enough of this ..... esperanto
13:55:56 <Mochi101> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/serhack-monero-integrations-part-3.html
13:56:10 <SerHack> <3 thank you
13:56:19 <Mochi101> Thank you!
13:56:25 <Mochi101> I love this.
13:56:31 <SerHack> any amount is really appreciated :D
13:59:59 <Mochi101> I have.
14:00:14 <Mochi101> SerHack, it really needs a graphic here though: https://lewd.pics/p/?i=33sj.jpg
14:00:20 <Mochi101> I think I mentioned this before.
14:00:28 <Mochi101> Then it looks more "official"
14:01:00 <SerHack> I know
14:02:27 <Mochi101> Monero Payment Gateway for Woocommerce may be a better title too.
14:04:09 <Mochi101> Personally I think this kind of stuff is really important, I hope you get a lot more support.
14:04:41 <Mochi101> I wish that there was a BTC plugin that made it this easy to accept BTC with no third party.
14:09:47 <SerHack> Thank you!
17:04:40 <fiddleitout> time for coffee Chat https://invidious.ggc-project.de/watch?v=jXOpGLmzyrI
18:49:54 <philkode> builds aren't signed by Fluffy anymore are they?
18:50:18 <rottensox> Snipa is the new lead maintainer.
18:50:51 <philkode> so the instructions on https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html that detail importing fluffy's key are outdated?
18:50:56 <rottensox> philkode: https://www.getmonero.org/2019/12/16/technical-responsibilities-update.html
18:51:29 <philkode> just helping someone on /r/monerosupport who's having issue verifying the hashes.txt file by following that guide
18:51:31 <kinghat> selsta: stated in the reddit thread that the guide will be updated shortly
18:51:34 <philkode> yeah i read that a while back
18:52:13 <selsta> kinghat: yes ErCiccione[m] opened a PR
18:52:26 <kinghat> 👌
18:52:40 <philkode> any advice on how to verify hashes.txt in the meantime?
18:52:50 <philkode> who's sig needs imported?
18:53:06 <philkode> guessing binaryfate
18:53:09 <selsta> yes
18:54:13 <binaryFate> replace fluffypony with binaryfate in the guide, the rest is the same. (The key fingerprint will look different too).
18:56:53 <philkode> will advise that, thanks
19:28:22 <hv-bridge> <4​iuu> ii
20:06:22 <Feuermagier> Does the standard "monerod" daemon already use the ip-obfuscation protocol?
20:12:49 <moneromooo> Tor ? You can set it up to relay your txes on tor or i2p (not default).
20:13:09 <moneromooo> If you want it fully on tor (ie, all p2p traffic), then use torsocks or some other such system.
20:23:11 <Feuermagier> @moneromooo, i wondered if kovri is implemented by default
20:23:39 <Feuermagier> or if i need to take further steps to ensure that a transaction does not originate from me
20:29:55 <selsta> kovri is not implemented
20:32:39 <Feuermagier> alright. I run a Tor-Relay on the same network anyway. Is it ok to use that or is it better to run it locally?
20:53:34 <cannon-c[m]> monreo needs hidden service address like bitcoin
20:53:58 <cannon-c[m]> so xmr nodes can be reached by the onion address
20:54:15 <cannon-c[m]> using the clearnet is just way to insecure
20:54:54 <Feuermagier> cannon-c[m], i assume i'd have to give my xmr daemon targets on the tor network
20:55:10 <Feuermagier> can i still connect to it via clearnet?
21:00:00 <cannon-c[m]> I mean "clearnet insecure" is blanket comment for everything
21:01:06 <cannon-c[m]> but encryption can make it okay. But If every xmr node was behind tor, then they would be not able to take inbound connections if no onion address.
21:01:21 <cannon-c[m]> for node anonimity and inbound connections I think onion address support should  be added. Kovri looks nice too
21:02:18 <Feuermagier> cannon-c[m], assuming i acces my node from my smartphone, is that connection encrypted by default?
21:02:25 <cannon-c[m]> but might be possible to hack together a way for onion addresses routing to local xmr process using crazy iptables rules or something but I think it should be natively supported
21:02:41 <cannon-c[m]> I dont know
21:03:09 <Feuermagier> ideally the daemon would use my SSL-certificate to identify itself securely
21:03:10 <cannon-c[m]> if you were using onion or i2p hidden service address it would be but I dont know about clearnet access
21:04:15 <Feuermagier> tor has a different proof of identity system right in the addresses themselve
21:04:38 <cannon-c[m]> yes. The address is a hash of the public key
21:04:56 <cannon-c[m]> so without the private key the onion address cannot be spoofed
21:05:01 <Feuermagier> essentially I want to host a node myself (which i can then trust) to broadcast my transaction anonymously
21:05:04 <cannon-c[m]> the address of tor and i2p is self verifying
21:05:13 <cannon-c[m]> Im excited about kovri
21:05:32 <selsta> cannon-c[m]: anonimal is currently mostly working on https://gitlab.com/sekreta/sekreta/
21:05:42 <cannon-c[m]> have to go but I am wondering, will kovri let nodes have inbound and outbound connections all through i2p?
21:06:02 <cannon-c[m]> I'll check it out.
21:19:43 <yanmaani> cannon-c[m]: Doesn't it already support onion addr?
21:19:46 <yanmaani> It does for the remote nodes.
21:27:35 <yanmaani> selsta: Correct me if I am wrong there but doesn't this make you _more_ vulnerable?
21:27:46 <yanmaani> if you send something to someone through Tor, it's all or nothing yes
21:28:12 <yanmaani> but if you send half over Tor and half over I2P, and I2P leaks your identity
21:28:36 <yanmaani> then how is that an improvement? If you use 30 different anonymity networks, then it's enough for 1 to dail
21:28:38 <yanmaani> fail*
21:29:14 <selsta> I don’t know.
21:33:23 <yanmaani> like if you make the thought experiments that someone included rot13-encrypted tcp as one of the anonymity networks
21:33:35 <yanmaani> and it then sends one of the four shared over tcp
21:33:56 <yanmaani> then that will not be a good thing
21:34:04 <yanmaani> one of the four shares*
21:34:23 <selsta> why not a good thing?
21:34:41 <selsta> isn’t the point that all all anonymity networks have to get compromised?
21:36:55 <selsta> I would guess it uses something like shamir’s secret sharing where it does not matter if one of the anonymity networks if rot13 encryption, as long as N/M are secure.
21:38:26 <selsta> yanmaani: see here https://gitlab.com/sekreta/sekreta/-/blob/master/doc/README.md
21:40:40 <yanmaani> No, it prevents an adversary from reading the contents
21:40:54 <yanmaani> but if one of the anonymity networks do not actually make you anonymous, and you are connecting to an adversary
21:40:58 <yanmaani> then that is not so good
21:41:28 <yanmaani> Or do they do some kind of magic trick to make it impossible for the nodes to find out who is who?
23:28:47 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Hey Can someone help me with XMR why i Didnt see them when i send them from my other XMR wallet? i have xmrchain.net, etc and everything is fine buy my Monero is gone
23:29:01 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Hey Can someone help me with XMR why i Didnt see them when i send them from my other XMR wallet? i have xmrchain.net, etc and everything is fine but my Monero is gone
23:30:31 <dEBRUYNE> Which wallet software did you use?
23:31:07 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> GUI wallet from getmonero.org
23:32:08 <moneromooo> Check the "refresh from height" value is lower than the current heiht, which is... ~2049400.
23:32:21 <moneromooo> Should be somewhere in the options.
23:32:47 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Ye I making it since 10 hours and nothing happened its just gone
23:33:20 <selsta> garmi
23:33:28 <selsta> garmmi*, did you send from an external wallet to monero gui?
23:35:41 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> It was from site which change BTC to XMR and its legit site there'shttps://xmrchain.net/tx/1ebe041d73102210ec3aec91edff2b64075e5d34de9307b1afd56ab9fb202b74
23:36:02 <selsta> open your wallet in the GUI, what does it say in the bottom left corner?
23:37:02 <moneromooo> If "pwned", it's a bad start.
23:37:15 <selsta> It should look like this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/E2XdUutq/Screenshot%202020-03-08%20at%2000.37.10.png
23:37:43 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> I was changing it's now Synchronizing to my PC i was using also Remote Node
23:38:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> In Remote Node i still doesn't see my monero on account
23:39:13 <selsta> For testing purposes can you change to a remote node and then restore your wallet from seed?
23:39:37 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> yes
23:39:38 <selsta> Set the restore height to e.g. 2018-02-01 if you first received Monero in February 2018.
23:40:12 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> im logging now out delete my wallet
23:40:17 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> and restore it with seed
23:40:19 <selsta> Don’t delete your wallet yet
23:40:24 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> okey
23:40:24 <selsta> just create a new wallet from seed
23:40:32 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi>
23:40:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> create new wallet and from seed ye?
23:40:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> or restore wallet from keys
23:41:20 <selsta> form seed
23:43:11 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> If my first transaction on this wallet was yesterday i should youse this date? If my first transaction on this wallet was yesterday i should youse this date? :
23:43:20 <selsta> yes
23:43:33 <selsta> 2020-03-07
23:44:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> should i download all chains  or can go by  bootstrap nodeshould i download all chains  or can go by  bootstrap node:
23:44:59 <selsta> You can set a remote node (e.g. node.xmr.to:18081)
23:48:43 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Its synchronizing, and my wallet all the time shows 0Its synchronizing, and my wallet all the time shows 0:
23:50:24 <yanmaani> If it hasn't synchronized yet the numbers don't matter
23:50:39 <yanmaani> I've had the same problem once before, and it just had to rescan and then it worked.
23:53:16 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Also I had two recive addresses and I didnt send Primary address to recive XMR but other one
23:53:21 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> which I create
23:53:29 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Does it matter?
23:53:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> which I create in MONERO GUI
23:54:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> Oh thanks Bro
23:54:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> you saved my life :)
23:55:00 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> @relay
23:55:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> If i will have some XMR left send me on private message your address XMR
23:55:32 <xmrmatterbridge> <garmmi> and i Will send you some :)