draft of 2019 and 2020 roadmap, please comment:

That makes monero look like a shitcoin :/

moneromooo: in what way? any worse than the current page? web.getmonero.org/resources/roadmap

In the way that all most shitocoins do is PoW change and aesthetic changes.

The page you link at least has some more stuff.

Tor/I2P and pay-for-service are two recent large additions.

Surely they belong there more than a .0.0.1 release bump.

(there might be other things, but maybe I'm not understanding the purpose of the list)

There was a reviewer suggestion not to use the term "compact" for CLSAG, since it implied sublinear or constant-sized

IIRC the term "concise" was considered

I don't particularly care either way; it's not really a formal term anyway

Oh, and the next preprint to be released has the tentative title "Triptych: logarithmic-sized linkable ring signatures with applications", in case that's helpful

suraeNoether and I are also coauthors on the DLSAG paper if that's relevant (but note that we did not come up with the idea for it), which was accepted to FC2020

^ sgp_

moneromooo: sure, we can add more. I considered adding more features like "pruning" but in some ways it's weird to include them as separate from the releases in which they are added

we had a separate line for bulletproofs though and probably a few others

Well, as I said, maybe I misinterpret the point. It seems it's not just a list of release dates though. What are you *intending* this list to be ?

that's a good question. I don't know :/

I took it as "look what we did last year", and it told me "we changed the pow twice and translated it". The release list including 0.0.0.x ones looks to be filler because the list of stuff we did was otherwise looking so barren.

Which is a shame given we did do some stuff like the above (and probably more stuff I don't remember offhand).

I agree with you there, I'm just struggling how to include those in a way that makes sense

Chronologically like it is now seems good.

do you support adding a separate line on the same day as the 0.14.1 release for pruning? Is that what you mean?

If pruning was in 2019, then sure, that's definitely worth a mention.

do you think it's still worth having separate line items for the releases? or focus on the features?

That's why I asked what you intended the list to be.

sure, what's your take though

If it's "look at what we did last year", as I think it's meant to be, then we don't really care about minor releases. We do care about major stuff like pruning, tor/i2p, etc.

You could list all releases though if you want a way for people to know what is in what version.

sure, let me try another version without the version numbers. if people want to know what's in each version, they can check github. this doesn't need to be a duplicate of the release notes

There was some fairly significant bulletproof speedups too IIRC. That might warrant inclusion.

thanks for the reminder. I'll ping you in a few with a new list

Trezor. Looks like the first patches were in 2018, but I think actual support was 2019 (subject to someone who knows confirming).

sarang: is the dlsag paper out? what would be the best date to categorize that under?

The IACR preprint was posted on 29 May 2019

it was recently accepted to FC2020

there's a longer timeline for revisions, edits, and final publication in the proceedings

We may decide to update the DLSAG security model similarly to the recent CLSAG revisions

IACR preprint: eprint.iacr.org/2019/595

what's the difference between the multisig messaging system and the monero messaging system? Monero messaging system was already in the roadmap for 2018-12-20

maybe that previous entry should be removed?

I think "messaging" is about sending arbitrary encrypted messages.

Which is funny, because it's fairly trivial technically, but it has a huge amount of sway with the public apparently.

ok, I can leave both then

moneromooo sarang ^^^

That looks a lot more like what I'd expect :)

I'd like it made more clear that DLSAG was something to which we contributed, but it was not "invented" here

It was a collaboration with several other researchers

moneromooo: ok, I will need to change all the past years since they are more similar to the initial format

sarang: how would you do that?

not sure the best way

But I don't want readers to think that DLSAG was started here

maybe something parenthetical like (in collaboration with P. Moreno-Sanchez et al.)?

or at the very least a preprint link

And be particularly mindful of not typoing Pedro's name :P

lol

true

it has happened twice IIRC at conferences

I assume that format is Markdown and can support links?

If so, would be nice to link to DLSAG and CLSAG preprints

and eventually Triptych when it's on IAR

*IACR

(waiting on surae's review for that one)

the CLSAG update will appear at the same IACR link

CLSAG's IACR link: eprint.iacr.org/2019/654