17:48:46 draft of 2019 and 2020 roadmap, please comment: 17:48:54 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/TDgxKqNh/roadmap 18:02:19 That makes monero look like a shitcoin :/ 18:04:48 moneromooo: in what way? any worse than the current page? https://web.getmonero.org/resources/roadmap/ 18:07:16 In the way that all most shitocoins do is PoW change and aesthetic changes. 18:07:49 The page you link at least has some more stuff. 18:08:22 Tor/I2P and pay-for-service are two recent large additions. 18:08:57 Surely they belong there more than a .0.0.1 release bump. 18:09:33 (there might be other things, but maybe I'm not understanding the purpose of the list) 18:13:12 There was a reviewer suggestion not to use the term "compact" for CLSAG, since it implied sublinear or constant-sized 18:13:21 IIRC the term "concise" was considered 18:13:33 I don't particularly care either way; it's not really a formal term anyway 18:14:33 Oh, and the next preprint to be released has the tentative title "Triptych: logarithmic-sized linkable ring signatures with applications", in case that's helpful 18:15:41 suraeNoether and I are also coauthors on the DLSAG paper if that's relevant (but note that we did not come up with the idea for it), which was accepted to FC2020 18:16:04 ^ sgp_ 18:29:46 moneromooo: sure, we can add more. I considered adding more features like "pruning" but in some ways it's weird to include them as separate from the releases in which they are added 18:30:01 we had a separate line for bulletproofs though and probably a few others 18:49:52 Well, as I said, maybe I misinterpret the point. It seems it's not just a list of release dates though. What are you *intending* this list to be ? 18:53:43 that's a good question. I don't know :/ 18:59:17 I took it as "look what we did last year", and it told me "we changed the pow twice and translated it". The release list including 0.0.0.x ones looks to be filler because the list of stuff we did was otherwise looking so barren. 19:00:25 Which is a shame given we did do some stuff like the above (and probably more stuff I don't remember offhand). 19:03:43 I agree with you there, I'm just struggling how to include those in a way that makes sense 19:05:29 Chronologically like it is now seems good. 19:06:01 do you support adding a separate line on the same day as the 0.14.1 release for pruning? Is that what you mean? 19:06:24 If pruning was in 2019, then sure, that's definitely worth a mention. 19:06:54 do you think it's still worth having separate line items for the releases? or focus on the features? 19:07:10 That's why I asked what you intended the list to be. 19:07:40 sure, what's your take though 19:07:44 If it's "look at what we did last year", as I think it's meant to be, then we don't really care about minor releases. We do care about major stuff like pruning, tor/i2p, etc. 19:08:47 You could list all releases though if you want a way for people to know what is in what version. 19:09:18 sure, let me try another version without the version numbers. if people want to know what's in each version, they can check github. this doesn't need to be a duplicate of the release notes 19:11:32 There was some fairly significant bulletproof speedups too IIRC. That might warrant inclusion. 19:11:51 thanks for the reminder. I'll ping you in a few with a new list 19:14:01 Trezor. Looks like the first patches were in 2018, but I think actual support was 2019 (subject to someone who knows confirming). 19:38:02 sarang: is the dlsag paper out? what would be the best date to categorize that under? 19:41:10 The IACR preprint was posted on 29 May 2019 19:41:16 it was recently accepted to FC2020 19:41:29 there's a longer timeline for revisions, edits, and final publication in the proceedings 19:41:53 We may decide to update the DLSAG security model similarly to the recent CLSAG revisions 19:42:14 IACR preprint: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/595 19:50:30 what's the difference between the multisig messaging system and the monero messaging system? Monero messaging system was already in the roadmap for 2018-12-20 19:51:29 maybe that previous entry should be removed? 19:53:19 I think "messaging" is about sending arbitrary encrypted messages. 19:53:56 Which is funny, because it's fairly trivial technically, but it has a huge amount of sway with the public apparently. 19:55:06 ok, I can leave both then 19:56:10 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/qlHq4Avk/roadmap 19:56:16 moneromooo sarang ^^^ 19:57:57 That looks a lot more like what I'd expect :) 19:58:38 I'd like it made more clear that DLSAG was something to which we contributed, but it was not "invented" here 19:59:14 It was a collaboration with several other researchers 20:11:01 moneromooo: ok, I will need to change all the past years since they are more similar to the initial format 20:11:10 sarang: how would you do that? 20:11:33 not sure the best way 20:11:47 But I don't want readers to think that DLSAG was started here 20:12:39 maybe something parenthetical like (in collaboration with P. Moreno-Sanchez et al.)? 20:12:51 or at the very least a preprint link 20:13:32 And be particularly mindful of not typoing Pedro's name :P 20:13:39 lol 20:13:41 true 20:13:51 it has happened twice IIRC at conferences 20:14:03 I assume that format is Markdown and can support links? 20:14:10 If so, would be nice to link to DLSAG and CLSAG preprints 20:14:16 and eventually Triptych when it's on IAR 20:14:18 *IACR 20:14:27 (waiting on surae's review for that one) 20:14:34 the CLSAG update will appear at the same IACR link 20:17:30 CLSAG's IACR link: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/654