hyc: ok. people seem to have trouble writing randomx in golang or any other vm because of this one instruction.

oops sorry wrong channel

rbrunner: Do you know when you will have the help PR ready?

Did not even start yet :) Did not give it any priority so far, waiting for opinions.

But a minimal version would not be that complicated.

You think about taking it in for the release?

I wonder if we should revert the help change in v0.16 branch

and then you can fix it in master

without any time pressure

You mean revert the whole "help_advanced" PR? Make it as if that never happened?

yes

only in release-v0.16 branch

Well, sounds a little drastic. I mean, maybe "help_advanced" is not the best of ideas, but it exists now, and it must be that people use it ...

And the short help text with "help" now is nice

It wouldn’t be drastic because the help_advanced thing was never included in a release yet

Huh? Are you sure?

yes

I would prefer to include it once all the issues are fully resolved

Color me surprised

Well, if you are going to revert it, you will also have to revert some later PR's that replace "help" with "help_advanced" in places where the original PR not yet did, as far as I remember

I think monermooo did one of those

yep

if "help <command>" doesn't work as before, then all those related patches are a UX regression

yes that’s why I want to revert it

for the release

great

Alright, almost convinced. I think we could find a good way with short, concise command list display versus complete list without the drawbacks of a fully new command

this all looks to me like "if it ain't broke don't fix it" - what is the point?

who is having trouble finding the info they need in the current help output?

versus - who will have trouble finding what they need with any suggested changes?

I can tell you, more people will be in the latter group.

Some new users will feel overwhelmed if help prints 100 commands, I think the idea of a simplified help is ok.

new CLI users?

Just has to be implemented good without breaking existing commands.

100 commands is quie an exaggeration

nope, help prints 120 lines

in monero-wallet-cli

hmmm

then someone should break things up into classes

like gdb help does

maybe the `welcome` command can list the most used commands

looks also reasonable

In any case `help all` would be way better than `help_advanced`

based brian twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/1261779484203720706

whoops sorry