<Zol1th> Hey guys

<Zol1th> Anyone know when the atomic swap is going to go online?

<DisBotXMR "<Zol1th> Anyone know when the at"> 9-12 months

<Zol1th> Alright thanks

<ENDCiV> I want to pay for a VPN with XMR. MULLVAD only takes BTC and BCH Any instant options come to mind?

ivpn

not the cheapest but excellent

Aren't vpns pretty garbage for privacy anyways

Favicon tracking makes a lot of things pretty moot

<Wharrgarbl[m] "Favicon tracking makes a lot of "> Use privacy badger on firefox. Favicons are moot :)

<Wharrgarbl[m] "Aren't vpns pretty garbage for p"> VPN's are just one part of privacy, necessary but not enough by itself

Using VPNs depends who you trust less, and is your ISP actively blocking certain types of traffic, and also websites geo-blocking

privacy badger/decentreleyes/privacy possum are my gotos

noscript as well

but noscript is skeevy in that you have to un-whitelist all the defaults first

VPNs are extremely important in public..

I used to work in wireless networking...

I could beam a hotel wifi from a block away and make it look like their wifi...

VPN would prevent me from seeing your activities or redirecting you to my own version of bankofamerica.com

MITM gets cockblocked by HTTPS iirc

not exactly.

when I control the router i control the DNS (because you pry dont set your own DNS manually)

plus who carries a cantenna

isn't that just ARP poisoning

the stuff i use is about the size of a house phone

5km range

im just sayin lol VPNs are important to use public internet for financial/sensitive information

yeah but you have to trust the vpn

cheaper/better to just self-host a vpn

i just use Surfshark

can just use tor too i mean

its like less than 2$ a month

and unlimited devices so my whole family shares it

yeah that's pretty good value

i never did MITM attacked but i did steal internet from my neighbours allll the time lmao

* i never did MITM attacks but i did steal internet from my neighbours allll the time lmao

ah good old open/wep days

that and businesses normally have their wifi password posted

yeah true

and then my equipment can get signal from super far awy

ubiquiti nanostation etc

what was your equipment?

some realtek based wifi adapter?

e.g the awus

ubiquiti

oh you use the ubiquiti for that

5km range tho?

yeah just usin the cheap stuff lol

feel like you'd need a directional antenna

for that kinda range

its directional

ah ok

havent searxed it yet

<Wharrgarbl[m] "cheaper/better to just self-host"> But self hosting a VPN does not disguise your traffic among others

good point

meeting here in just a few minutes

hey everyone. Meeting time.

Link to the meta issue: monero-project/meta #550

1. Greetings

Who's here? Say hi.

hey Moneristas

hi

Hello

hi

Hello.

hi

I'm read only today, on a very bad network connection.

hi

hi

Cool.

Alright. Thanks everyone for coming.

Let's jump right in with the CCS stuff.

hi

As you can see, towards the bottom we have many proposals about translation, but as per our new policy of prior work required, these will probably be closed. No discussion to be had here.

Ok, first up. Creating educational videos and material in Hindi.

I think translations of videos should be done free, without expecting any payment, by enthusiasts.

hello

The videos I agree.

The last Spanish one I'm reviewing his work. With ercicciones approval, but I guess this was already spoken and I missed the discussion.

Hi

Agree with mechanic41turk

I suggest moving the videos assuming someone has checked the quality of the others and they are okay

sgp_[m]: The hindi ones?

<rehrar "sgp_: The hindi ones?"> Yes

The price is 30 XMR, fyi.

Any other opinions on this proposal?

And 35 videos for that

yes

So monero community will be paying a youtuber to advertise monero?

The donors will be paying for it. We should just consider that too.

mechanic41turk[m: it looks like they'll first be making educational introductory videos about Monero in Hindi.

Ah, ok.

not a fan of the hindi proposal. It reads like spam email from so many of these crypto PR companies

So the CCS will be open to getting donations, after we discuss it here.

and it's vague

After those are done, they'll cover major milestones we reach or something.

binaryFate: +1

mechanic41turk[m: not quite. The discussion is whether or not to open it up to funding.

rehrar: yeah, that's what I tried to mean.

mechanic41turk[m: then yeah

has the proponent been here anytime? has anyone seen him around?

him/her*

It doesn't seem that vague to me to be honest for the amount

They've structured payouts on a monthly basis. Perhaps we can have them redo the proposal to just do the educational videos?

That way we:

1. Get educational material in Hindi

2. See the quality of their work and can decide if we want to continue with them for anything further.

To me it comes as a something that he already does, which is creating youtube videos, and now he wants to get paid in xmr for doing videos.

I took a look at the videos, and yeah they seem to basically look at a website and just report on what they read on the project's website

I think these sorts of "youtube awareness promotions" should emerge by themselves, not by the community funding.

Which isn't amazing but I'm open to it since it's cheap and there will be a lot of content, where Monero has near zero at the moment

it's like a news crypto type youtuber

It seems there is currently appetite in the community for funding and testing different "marketing" approaches, so maybe we should be loose enough on the gate keeping on that front

haha

true

They're asking for $7500 for 35 videos

sgp_[m]: yes but video quality is also, as you said, just looking at a website and talking

if that's good for $7500, I'll make a proposal here pretty soon ;)

thats a lot of videos

You speak hindi?

lol

The big thing to me is the Hindi

^

why do you guys think Hindi is so important?

hmm...because Monero is supposed to be a currency for everyone, and I'm not sure we have any materials in Hindi atm.

every computer-abled indian speaks english. So if such a person seeking knowledge about monero, he will see english videos, which are dime a dozen, no problem.

If its just readung from a website, why not just direct people to the website instead. People writing the content for the website should earn the money for original content imo

But aight, we can move on. A couple for, a couple against, a couple have reservations. So we can classify this one as contentious.

Maybe is not how big hindi can be, maybe is the effort of doing work towards the crypto space. What i don't like is that they are involved in every coin out there. So they are not focused on Monero, it could just be a coin for them. That's the feeling I get.

Be sure to leave your comments in the git proposal well, or at least an emoji thumbs up or down.

mdja123cs people like to consume content in different ways

I support offering a lower amount/less work as a test before committing to the 35 videos, and also asking for an increase in quality.

if they are doing this for other coins are they getting paid by those other coins?

I assume they are tbh

Hindi is the 3rd most spoken language in the world

good q

nioc: very likely they don't do this for other coins unless they're paid

Why else would they be doing videos about vechain

except probably big ones like btc and eth

because ads

sgp_[m]: for the tech1!1!

people YT cause they make $ from YT

true

Alright, let's move on. :P We have more to cover.

vtnerd's proposal for continued work for q1 2021. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/214

yes sight unseen :)

99% of potential crypto investors in India speak English

their viewership numbers are unimpressive

I was going to make a joke about it being vague but it's specific so I can't even do that lol

hello all

<rehrar "vtnerd's proposal for continued "> I am a newcomer, and coding-illiterate. So I have no comment to make on this.

Obvious approval for vtnerd

Is this the "Monero Community Workgroup" spot

Sorry first timer here

yes

welcome

welcome TenderloinGroin

I'm late my bad

we're discussing ideas that are here ccs.getmonero.org/ideas

deciding which will move to "funding required" or not

I've been speaking with Monero Outreach a bit. My main focus and interest is to submit a CCS proposal for genuine marketing efforts etc.

I don't see any contention on vtnerd

They can help me get mine structured with some internal feedback so I might be more here to understand the process a bit

perhaps we can discuss with TenderloinGroin what he has in mind.

Unless you wanted to hear some more informal thoughts along the way. Don't let me interrupt if this has an agenda right now

But I also don't necessarily want to put you through the gauntlet on your first time here. :P

hahahah yea i mean i can have offline asynch convos which people as needed

But long story short one of my clients is in the space, I have direct experience that way. And then I run a team of video, designers, etc.

You can also use this channel and #monero-space whenever

I'm interested in helping out in producing a deliverable schedule etc. etc.

copy that

Alright then. It seems we're out of proposals.

We can move on to 3. Workgroup reports

(ill be a fly on the wall for now)

If there's anyone from any workgroups here, feel free to raise your hand and say what you've been up to these past days.

pinging xmrhaelan[m] thunderosa___ dEBRUYNE ErCiccione

Justin from Monero Space here - huge amount on our effort last week on the Matrix and Discord relays. They are largely up and running now

XMR and Thunder were the ones helping guide me actually

As an aside

I made guides for Element on Android and Web. Need someone with an iphone to do iOS

We have a meeting tomorrow if people want to join monero-project/meta #551

(fin)

sgp_[m]: you mean the Monero discord relays?

We run the Discord relays, and I spent hours setting up the Matrix monero.social rooms

sgp_: what happened to the monero room monero.social server?

* sgp_: what happened to the monero room on monero.social server?

I need an admin to help with that room still

spam issues?

is there a jabber room for monero?

I'll plan on giving an update for the next meeting. There are a number of projects that will be ready for feedback by then and I think it'll be more productive that way.

thunderosa___: sounds good

mdja123cs: I don't know the answer to this question and I should.

because I can't seem to find any

Ok, so question then. How are people liking the Matrix server so far?

Are there any other outstanding things to do besides what's listed in the meta issue?

I'm enjoying it even more than I thought I would. The ability to easily generate discussion rooms is a huge plus

I like it. I can see public rooms on monero.social

Guides for joining if you haven't already:

Ok, anything else on Workgroups?

Going once.

Twice.

4. Open ideas time

This is a time where anyone can pitch an idea, a thing for discussion, or anything else (within reason)

I made a jabber room just in case

Monero⊙cjo

it was nice seeing Luke Smith and Mental Outlaw mentioning Monero to their followers. I think "youtuber promotions" should happen like this: by themselves.

oh is this my moment?

TenderloinGroin: sure, go

Lol well TBH I didnt have a full marketing plan tee'd up here or something. But I am interested in submitting a proposal to the CCS platform for creative work in a somewhat structured way.

kinghat: perhaps that room also has a name claimed on matrix.org server

so that you are able to see the room without adding monero.social to your client's homeserver lookups.

There are numerous paths to creating momentum that way, though some thoughts revolve around helping update the website to be a bit more approachable. Cleaning up and creating small assets for the community etc. However I shouldnt just pitch half baked ideas her rn. I was curious if the focus now is more fungibility over privacy messaging wise

I agree with that quite a bit personally for various reasons

<kinghat[m] "> <@sgp_:monero.social> Guides f"> The room has two addresses: the main monero.social one, and also a matrix.org one. So it appears in both server discovery

<TenderloinGroin "There are numerous paths to crea"> Fungibility is a really powerful argument, the main concern is that people don't understand it that will unless they are threatened with the lack of it

<sgp_[m] "The room has two addresses: the "> did you guys put it on matrix.org as well because it wasnt previously like that and i had to bridge it from irc manually. same with gui/pow/research-lounge.

Thats great yea and I see that is the hardest messaging issue

<kinghat[m] "did you guys put it on matrix.or"> Yup, all native matrix rooms now

But if done right its probably the best

Okay cool, always great to hear new ideas on how to do that

something I like to say is that if an exchange says they support monero, then I know if I deposit monero there they will credit my account, but just because they say they support BTC doesn't mean they will credit my account if I send them BTC. I can't know before sending whether they will view my specific BTC as tainted in some way.

So I'm not proposing moonlambo wallpaper creation etc. Nor formal logo updates or anything like that. Perhaps the best place to start though is to plainly get a temperature in the room and then I can base incremental proposals for work around those shared values

not sure how to condense that down into a one-liner slogan

<mechanic41turk[m> it was nice seeing Luke Smith and Mental Outlaw mentioning Monero to their followers. I think "youtuber promotions" should happen like this: by themselves. <<-- thumbs up

TenderloinGroin: did you see the comment on reddit regarding prior work?

If you are curious what we can accomplish I can better qualify the work abilities, but to keep things focused I'd be happy to just hear if everyone is now open to a narrative that has a bit more to do with fungibiilty etc.

Quick update from me, I guess as part of the Monero Policy Working Group. I am on a panel next week on CBDCs and DeFi. If anyone wants/has any particular arguments communicated on this wide ranging topic, just let me know. The panel includes someone from the IMF/Swiss National Bank

The whole market likes to champion fear too, and I dislike that personally

"can never be truly free without this or that"

oh meeting

That sort of messaging is always a bit more negative value-skeweed. Speaking to the entire crypto market's desire to remind us of the villains surrounding us instead of the benefits in front of us

oh just noticed is also has an ex FBI cybersec dude. Fun.

Idea/FYI: I plan to post a how-to build a Monero GUI flatpak so people can test it later today so I can the hopefully PR it to FlatHub late Sunday. I can test it on my system, but I want to make sure it works on others if possible so I can point to the FlatHub admins that some divide and conquer testing was done to hopefully make it easier to approve. So I guess keep an eye out on reddit for that

neato midipoet

neato xmrscott[m]1

Ok. We're approaching the hour.

Any last minute things to talk about?

Alright. It looks like we'll call it here guys.

Next meeting in two weeks.

I'm good I will try to show up for the next

Which is March 6th.

Thanks for coming!

Thanks!

Thank you everyone. #Tesl4XMR

missed an a

oups yes :P

#Tesla4XMR

thanks all, enjoy the WE

thanks rehrar

lol such mixed feelings about the tesla thing

but thanks all

looking forward to see what you or others come up with

Op no need, it looks like the original manifest creator put in a PR yesterday: flathub/flathub #2124

monero gui on flatpak eh?

* monero gui as flatpak eh?

can someone explain the flatpac

“I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero

*flatpak

<midipoet "can someone explain the flatpac"> Basically a sandbox format that is installable and and supported by most every package manager allowing apps to be easily installed

So rather than build a .deb, a .rpm, etc if you have a .flatpak you're good for all systems

See the website for further details: flatpak.org

xmrscott[m]1: thanks!

that seems a cool project.

Am I reading it right that flathub is sort of like an open-source appstore for Linux?

ya, buts its more like fdroid where you dont have to use the flathub repo and ppl can have their own repos

Yeah, basically technically decentralized, but spiritually centralized is perhaps the best way to describe it. Most users are not going to want to point at 10+ repos for 10+ apps, so community has aggregated around FlatHub as a one stop shop/repo

<kinghat[m] "monero gui on flatpak eh?"> does it have any advantage over the current .AppImage?

there isnt an appimage

appimages are different though

<kinghat[m] "there isnt an appimage"> wait... I downloaded Monero GUI Wallet and it came with a .AppImage

> <@kinghat:matrix.org> there isnt an appimage

* wait... I downloaded Monero GUI Wallet and it came with an .AppImage

It's inside the .tar

afaik its just a shortcut

open it with a text editor

lol

its also 20 B which couldnt even hold an image

Thanks for clarifying it

<ratsclub[m] "does it have any advantage over "> AppImage is basically just a portable .exe equivalent

Flatpak/flathub is more geared at (semi-)automated packagement management. So when someone updates the manifest w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages

* Flatpak/flathub is more geared at (semi-)automated package management. So when someone updates the manifest w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages

* Flatpak+FlatHub repo is more geared at (semi-)automated package management. So when someone updates the manifest w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages

* Flatpak+FlatHub repo is more geared at (semi-)automated package management. So when someone updates the manifest on FlatHub w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages

<xmrscott[m]1 "AppImage is basically just a por"> Oh I see. Flathub has a whole environment around it