01:25:35 <DisBotXMR> <Zol1th> Hey guys
01:25:46 <DisBotXMR> <Zol1th> Anyone know when the atomic swap is going to go online?
01:29:50 <nikg83[m]> <DisBotXMR "<Zol1th> Anyone know when the at"> 9-12 months
01:55:12 <DisBotXMR> <Zol1th> Alright thanks
05:06:12 <DisBotXMR> <ENDCiV> I want to pay for a VPN with XMR.  MULLVAD only takes BTC and BCH Any instant options come to mind?
05:12:39 <nioc> ivpn
05:12:57 <nioc> not the cheapest but excellent
13:17:28 <Wharrgarbl[m]> Aren't vpns pretty garbage for privacy anyways
13:17:47 <Wharrgarbl[m]> Favicon tracking makes a lot of things pretty moot
13:28:01 <fluffydonkey[m]> <Wharrgarbl[m] "Favicon tracking makes a lot of "> Use privacy badger on firefox. Favicons are moot :)
13:29:42 <Mumuks[m]> <Wharrgarbl[m] "Aren't vpns pretty garbage for p"> VPN's are just one part of privacy, necessary but not enough by itself
13:35:10 <fluffydonkey[m]> Using VPNs depends who you trust less, and is your ISP actively blocking certain types of traffic, and also websites geo-blocking
14:27:07 <Wharrgarbl[m]> privacy badger/decentreleyes/privacy possum are my gotos
14:27:11 <Wharrgarbl[m]> noscript as well
14:27:25 <Wharrgarbl[m]> but noscript is skeevy in that you have to un-whitelist all the defaults first
14:36:54 <moneromoon[m]> VPNs are extremely important in public..
14:37:03 <moneromoon[m]> I used to work in wireless networking...
14:37:23 <moneromoon[m]> I could beam a hotel wifi from a block away and make it look like their wifi...
14:37:46 <moneromoon[m]> VPN would prevent me from seeing your activities or redirecting you to my own version of bankofamerica.com
14:38:14 <Wharrgarbl[m]> MITM gets cockblocked by HTTPS iirc
14:38:27 <moneromoon[m]> not exactly.
14:38:38 <moneromoon[m]> when I control the router i control the DNS (because you pry dont set your own DNS manually)
14:38:46 <Wharrgarbl[m]> plus who carries a cantenna
14:38:59 <Wharrgarbl[m]> isn't that just ARP poisoning
14:39:08 <moneromoon[m]> the stuff i use is about the size of a house phone
14:39:09 <moneromoon[m]> 5km range
14:39:43 <moneromoon[m]> im just sayin lol VPNs are important to use public internet for financial/sensitive information
14:39:50 <Wharrgarbl[m]> yeah but you have to trust the vpn
14:40:01 <Wharrgarbl[m]> cheaper/better to just self-host a vpn
14:40:23 <moneromoon[m]> i just use Surfshark
14:40:37 <Wharrgarbl[m]> can just use tor too i mean
14:40:38 <moneromoon[m]> its like less than 2$ a month
14:40:39 <moneromoon[m]> and unlimited devices so my whole family shares it
14:40:51 <Wharrgarbl[m]> yeah that's pretty good value
14:41:30 <moneromoon[m]> i never did MITM attacked but i did steal internet from my neighbours allll the time lmao
14:41:37 <moneromoon[m]>  * i never did MITM attacks but i did steal internet from my neighbours allll the time lmao
14:41:50 <Wharrgarbl[m]> ah good old open/wep days
14:42:09 <moneromoon[m]> that and businesses normally have their wifi password posted
14:42:19 <Wharrgarbl[m]> yeah true
14:42:19 <moneromoon[m]> and then my equipment can get signal from super far awy
14:42:31 <moneromoon[m]> ubiquiti nanostation etc
14:43:05 <Wharrgarbl[m]> what was your equipment?
14:43:25 <Wharrgarbl[m]> some realtek based wifi adapter?
14:43:30 <Wharrgarbl[m]> e.g the awus
14:43:49 <moneromoon[m]> ubiquiti
14:44:02 <Wharrgarbl[m]> oh you use the ubiquiti for that
14:44:09 <Wharrgarbl[m]> 5km range tho?
14:44:17 <moneromoon[m]> yeah just usin the cheap stuff lol
14:44:23 <Wharrgarbl[m]> feel like you'd need a directional antenna
14:44:27 <Wharrgarbl[m]> for that kinda range
14:44:28 <moneromoon[m]> its directional
14:44:33 <Wharrgarbl[m]> ah ok
14:44:37 <Wharrgarbl[m]> havent searxed it yet
14:45:06 <moneromoon[m]> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-locoM2-2-4GHz-Outdoor/dp/B00DCNRTAG/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=nanostation+m2&qid=1613832292&sr=8-1
16:01:04 <Mumuks[m]> <Wharrgarbl[m] "cheaper/better to just self-host"> But self hosting a VPN does not disguise your traffic among others
16:01:58 <Wharrgarbl[m]> good point
16:56:54 <rehrar> meeting here in just a few minutes
17:00:25 <rehrar> hey everyone. Meeting time.
17:00:37 <rehrar> Link to the meta issue: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/550
17:00:50 <rehrar> 1. Greetings
17:00:56 <rehrar> Who's here? Say hi.
17:01:30 <intj440> hey Moneristas
17:02:29 <mechanic41turk[m> hi
17:02:31 <sgp_[m]> Hello
17:02:34 <rupee[m]> hi
17:03:07 <msvb-web7> Hello.
17:03:08 <dEBRUYNE> hi
17:03:24 <msvb-web7> I'm read only today, on a very bad network connection.
17:03:48 <midipoet> hi
17:03:53 <mdja123cs> hi
17:04:27 <rehrar> Cool.
17:04:34 <rehrar> Alright. Thanks everyone for coming.
17:04:39 <rehrar> Let's jump right in with the CCS stuff.
17:04:52 <rehrar> https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/
17:05:01 <lh1008[m]> hi
17:05:25 <rehrar> As you can see, towards the bottom we have many proposals about translation, but as per our new policy of prior work required, these will probably be closed. No discussion to be had here.
17:06:05 <rehrar> Ok, first up. Creating educational videos and material in Hindi.
17:06:05 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/211
17:06:12 <mechanic41turk[m> I think translations of videos should be done free, without expecting any payment, by enthusiasts.
17:06:21 <binaryFate> hello
17:06:28 <rehrar> The videos I agree.
17:06:28 <lh1008[m]> The last Spanish one I'm reviewing his work. With ercicciones approval, but I guess this was already spoken and I missed the discussion.
17:06:40 <ajs_> Hi
17:07:24 <mdja123cs> Agree with mechanic41turk
17:08:07 <sgp_[m]> I suggest moving the videos assuming someone has checked the quality of the others and they are okay
17:09:07 <rehrar> sgp_[m]: The hindi ones?
17:09:21 <sgp_[m]> <rehrar "sgp_: The hindi ones?"> Yes
17:09:30 <rehrar> The price is 30 XMR, fyi.
17:09:50 <rehrar> Any other opinions on this proposal?
17:09:51 <sgp_[m]> And 35 videos for that
17:09:56 <rehrar> yes
17:09:58 <mechanic41turk[m> So monero community will be paying a youtuber to advertise monero?
17:10:34 <lh1008[m]> The donors will be paying for it. We should just consider that too.
17:10:45 <rehrar> mechanic41turk[m: it looks like they'll first be making educational introductory videos about Monero in Hindi.
17:10:48 <mechanic41turk[m> Ah, ok.
17:10:51 <binaryFate> not a fan of the hindi proposal. It reads like spam email from so many of these crypto PR companies
17:11:01 <mechanic41turk[m> So the CCS will be open to getting donations, after we discuss it here.
17:11:13 <binaryFate> and it's vague
17:11:14 <rehrar> After those are done, they'll cover major milestones we reach or something.
17:11:15 <mechanic41turk[m> binaryFate: +1
17:11:26 <rehrar> mechanic41turk[m: not quite. The discussion is whether or not to open it up to funding.
17:11:38 <mechanic41turk[m> rehrar: yeah, that's what I tried to mean.
17:11:47 <rehrar> mechanic41turk[m: then yeah
17:11:55 <lh1008[m]> has the proponent been here anytime? has anyone seen him around?
17:12:13 <lh1008[m]> him/her*
17:12:16 <sgp_[m]> It doesn't seem that vague to me to be honest for the amount
17:12:46 <rehrar> They've structured payouts on a monthly basis. Perhaps we can have them redo the proposal to just do the educational videos?
17:12:49 <rehrar> That way we:
17:12:55 <rehrar> 1. Get educational material in Hindi
17:13:07 <rehrar> 2. See the quality of their work and can decide if we want to continue with them for anything further.
17:13:08 <mechanic41turk[m> To me it comes as a something that he already does, which is creating youtube videos, and now he wants to get paid in xmr for doing videos.
17:13:28 <sgp_[m]> I took a look at the videos, and yeah they seem to basically look at a website and just report on what they read on the project's website
17:14:19 <mechanic41turk[m> I think these sorts of "youtube awareness promotions" should emerge by themselves, not by the community funding.
17:14:24 <sgp_[m]> Which isn't amazing but I'm open to it since it's cheap and there will be a lot of content, where Monero has near zero at the moment
17:14:31 <lh1008[m]> it's like a news crypto type youtuber
17:14:47 <binaryFate> It seems there is currently appetite in the community for funding and testing different "marketing" approaches, so maybe we should be loose enough on the gate keeping on that front
17:14:59 <mechanic41turk[m> haha
17:15:23 <mdja123cs> true
17:15:24 <sgp_[m]> They're asking for $7500 for 35 videos
17:15:41 <rehrar> sgp_[m]: yes but video quality is also, as you said, just looking at a website and talking
17:15:54 <rehrar> if that's good for $7500, I'll make a proposal here pretty soon ;)
17:16:02 <moneromoon[m]> thats a lot of videos
17:16:15 <sgp_[m]> You speak hindi?
17:16:17 <mechanic41turk[m> lol
17:16:20 <rehrar> The big thing to me is the Hindi
17:16:21 <rehrar> ^
17:16:40 <mechanic41turk[m> why do you guys think Hindi is so important?
17:18:13 <rehrar> hmm...because Monero is supposed to be a currency for everyone, and I'm not sure we have any materials in Hindi atm.
17:18:15 <mechanic41turk[m> every computer-abled indian speaks english. So if such a person seeking knowledge about monero, he will see english videos, which are dime a dozen, no problem.
17:18:36 <mdja123cs> If its just readung from a website, why not just direct people to the website instead. People writing the content for the website should earn the money for original content imo
17:18:38 <rehrar> But aight, we can move on. A couple for, a couple against, a couple have reservations. So we can classify this one as contentious.
17:19:02 <lh1008[m]>  Maybe is not how big hindi can be, maybe is the effort of doing work towards the crypto space. What i don't like is that they are involved in every coin out there. So they are not focused on Monero, it could just be a coin for them. That's the feeling I get.
17:19:16 <rehrar> Be sure to leave your comments in the git proposal well, or at least an emoji thumbs up or down.
17:19:21 <sgp_[m]> mdja123cs people like to consume content in different ways
17:19:42 <midipoet> I support offering a lower amount/less work as a test before committing to the 35 videos, and also asking for an increase in quality.
17:19:54 <ajs_> https://www.statista.com/statistics/266808/the-most-spoken-languages-worldwide/
17:20:10 <nioc> if they are doing this for other coins are they getting paid by those other coins?
17:20:38 <sgp_[m]> I assume they are tbh
17:20:38 <ajs_> Hindi is the 3rd most spoken language in the world
17:20:45 <mechanic41turk[m> good q
17:20:46 <rehrar> nioc: very likely they don't do this for other coins unless they're paid
17:20:51 <sgp_[m]> Why else would they be doing videos about vechain
17:20:58 <rehrar> except probably big ones like btc and eth
17:21:06 <nioc> because ads
17:21:12 <rehrar> sgp_[m]: for the tech1!1!
17:21:29 <nioc> people YT cause they make $ from YT
17:21:43 <rehrar> true
17:21:53 <rehrar> Alright, let's move on. :P We have more to cover.
17:21:56 <rehrar> vtnerd's proposal for continued work for q1 2021. https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/214
17:22:12 <nioc> yes sight unseen :)
17:22:16 <geonic> 99% of potential crypto investors in India speak English
17:22:27 <geonic> their viewership numbers are unimpressive
17:22:43 <sgp_[m]> I was going to make a joke about it being vague but it's specific so I can't even do that lol
17:22:53 <TenderloinGroin> hello all
17:22:56 <mechanic41turk[m> <rehrar "vtnerd's proposal for continued "> I am a newcomer, and coding-illiterate. So I have no comment to make on this.
17:23:09 <sgp_[m]> Obvious approval for vtnerd
17:23:44 <TenderloinGroin> Is this the "Monero Community Workgroup" spot
17:23:50 <TenderloinGroin> Sorry first timer here
17:23:54 <mdja123cs> yes
17:24:00 <mdja123cs> welcome
17:24:02 <binaryFate> welcome TenderloinGroin
17:24:03 <TenderloinGroin> I'm late my bad
17:24:24 <binaryFate> we're discussing ideas that are here https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas
17:24:37 <binaryFate> deciding which will move to "funding required" or not
17:24:59 <TenderloinGroin> I've been speaking with Monero Outreach a bit. My main focus and interest is to submit a CCS proposal for genuine marketing efforts etc.
17:26:00 <rehrar> I don't see any contention on vtnerd
17:26:12 <TenderloinGroin> They can help me get mine structured with some internal feedback so I might be more here to understand the process a bit
17:26:21 <rehrar> perhaps we can discuss with TenderloinGroin what he has in mind.
17:26:31 <TenderloinGroin> Unless you wanted to hear some more informal thoughts along the way. Don't let me interrupt if this has an agenda right now
17:26:45 <rehrar> But I also don't necessarily want to put you through the gauntlet on your first time here. :P
17:27:05 <TenderloinGroin> hahahah yea i mean i can have offline asynch convos which people as needed
17:27:33 <TenderloinGroin> But long story short one of my clients is in the space, I have direct experience that way. And then I run a team of video, designers, etc.
17:27:57 <sgp_[m]> You can also use this channel and #monero-space whenever
17:28:07 <TenderloinGroin> I'm interested in helping out in producing a deliverable schedule etc. etc.
17:28:18 <TenderloinGroin> copy that
17:28:33 <rehrar> Alright then. It seems we're out of proposals.
17:28:42 <rehrar> We can move on to 3. Workgroup reports
17:28:55 <TenderloinGroin> (ill be a fly on the wall for now)
17:29:06 <rehrar> If there's anyone from any workgroups here, feel free to raise your hand and say what you've been up to these past days.
17:29:31 <rehrar> pinging xmrhaelan[m] thunderosa___ dEBRUYNE ErCiccione
17:29:47 <sgp_[m]> Justin from Monero Space here - huge amount on our effort last week on the Matrix and Discord relays. They are largely up and running now
17:29:57 <TenderloinGroin> XMR and Thunder were the ones helping guide me actually
17:30:01 <TenderloinGroin> As an aside
17:30:09 <sgp_[m]> I made guides for Element on Android and Web. Need someone with an iphone to do iOS
17:30:59 <sgp_[m]> We have a meeting tomorrow if people want to join https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/551
17:31:05 <sgp_[m]> (fin)
17:31:23 <rehrar> sgp_[m]: you mean the Monero discord relays?
17:32:17 * lh1008[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aMDuNiLTgvzXGHsjCaVWiRRa/message.txt >
17:32:21 <sgp_[m]> We run the Discord relays, and I spent hours setting up the Matrix monero.social rooms
17:32:28 <mechanic41turk[m> sgp_: what happened to the monero room monero.social server?
17:32:52 <mechanic41turk[m>  * sgp_: what happened to the monero room on monero.social server?
17:33:26 <sgp_[m]> I need an admin to help with that room still
17:33:52 <mechanic41turk[m> spam issues?
17:34:18 <mdja123cs> is there a jabber room for monero?
17:34:50 <thunderosa___> I'll plan on giving an update for the next meeting. There are a number of projects that will be ready for feedback by then and I think it'll be more productive that way.
17:35:24 <rehrar> thunderosa___: sounds good
17:35:36 <rehrar> mdja123cs: I don't know the answer to this question and I should.
17:36:47 <mdja123cs> because I can't seem to find any
17:38:10 <rehrar> Ok, so question then. How are people liking the Matrix server so far?
17:38:19 <rehrar> Are there any other outstanding things to do besides what's listed in the meta issue?
17:38:57 <sgp_[m]> I'm enjoying it even more than I thought I would. The ability to easily generate discussion rooms is a huge plus
17:38:59 <mechanic41turk[m> I like it. I can see public rooms on monero.social
17:39:49 <sgp_[m]> Guides for joining if you haven't already:
17:39:49 <sgp_[m]> https://forum.monero.space/d/79-how-to-join-the-monero-core-team-matrix-server-web
17:39:49 <sgp_[m]> https://forum.monero.space/d/81-how-to-join-the-monero-core-team-matrix-server-android
17:41:14 <rehrar> Ok, anything else on Workgroups?
17:41:18 <rehrar> Going once.
17:41:21 <rehrar> Twice.
17:41:28 <rehrar> 4. Open ideas time
17:41:49 <rehrar> This is a time where anyone can pitch an idea, a thing for discussion, or anything else (within reason)
17:41:59 <mdja123cs> I made a jabber room just in case
17:43:01 <mdja123cs> Monero⊙cjo
17:44:22 <mechanic41turk[m> it was nice seeing Luke Smith and Mental Outlaw mentioning Monero to their followers. I think "youtuber promotions" should happen like this: by themselves.
17:44:23 <TenderloinGroin> oh is this my moment?
17:44:33 <rehrar> TenderloinGroin: sure, go
17:45:24 <TenderloinGroin> Lol well TBH I didnt have a full marketing plan tee'd up here or something. But I am interested in submitting a proposal to the CCS platform for creative work in a somewhat structured way.
17:46:07 * kinghat[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/vNHONaDRcEbTBkwTRcXMQslI/message.txt >
17:46:41 <mechanic41turk[m> kinghat: perhaps that room also has a name claimed on matrix.org server
17:47:03 <mechanic41turk[m> so that you are able to see the room without adding monero.social to your client's homeserver lookups.
17:47:08 <TenderloinGroin> There are numerous paths to creating momentum that way, though some thoughts revolve around helping update the website to be a bit more approachable. Cleaning up and creating small assets for the community etc. However I shouldnt just pitch half baked ideas her rn. I was curious if the focus now is more fungibility over privacy messaging wise
17:47:33 <TenderloinGroin> I agree with that quite a bit personally for various reasons
17:48:00 <sgp_[m]> <kinghat[m] "> <@sgp_:monero.social> Guides f"> The room has two addresses: the main monero.social one, and also a matrix.org one. So it appears in both server discovery
17:49:25 <sgp_[m]> <TenderloinGroin "There are numerous paths to crea"> Fungibility is a really powerful argument, the main concern is that people don't understand it that will unless they are threatened with the lack of it
17:49:26 <kinghat[m]> <sgp_[m] "The room has two addresses: the "> did you guys put it on matrix.org as well because it wasnt previously like that and i had to bridge it from irc manually. same with gui/pow/research-lounge.
17:49:48 <TenderloinGroin> Thats great yea and I see that is the hardest messaging issue
17:49:55 <sgp_[m]> <kinghat[m] "did you guys put it on matrix.or"> Yup, all native matrix rooms now
17:49:56 <TenderloinGroin> But if done right its probably the best
17:50:30 <sgp_[m]> Okay cool, always great to hear new ideas on how to do that
17:51:16 <rupee[m]> something I like to say is that if an exchange says they support monero, then I know if I deposit monero there they will credit my account, but just because they say they support BTC doesn't mean they will credit my account if I send them BTC. I can't know before sending whether they will view my specific BTC as tainted in some way.
17:51:23 <TenderloinGroin> So I'm not proposing moonlambo wallpaper creation etc. Nor formal logo updates or anything like that. Perhaps the best place to start though is to plainly get a temperature in the room and then I can base incremental proposals for work around those shared values
17:51:26 <rupee[m]> not sure how to condense that down into a one-liner slogan
17:51:56 <nioc> <mechanic41turk[m>  it was nice seeing Luke Smith and Mental Outlaw mentioning Monero to their followers. I think "youtuber promotions" should happen like this: by themselves.  <<-- thumbs up
17:52:27 <rehrar> TenderloinGroin: did you see the comment on reddit regarding prior work?
17:52:28 <TenderloinGroin> If you are curious what we can accomplish I can better qualify the work abilities, but to keep things focused I'd be happy to just hear if everyone is now open to a narrative that has a bit more to do with fungibiilty etc.
17:52:35 <midipoet> Quick update from me, I guess as part of the Monero Policy Working Group. I am on a panel next week on CBDCs and DeFi. If anyone wants/has any particular arguments communicated on this wide ranging topic, just let me know. The panel includes someone from the IMF/Swiss National Bank
17:52:38 <midipoet> https://members.cryptovalley.swiss/events/52147
17:52:45 <TenderloinGroin> The whole market likes to champion fear too, and I dislike that personally
17:53:00 <TenderloinGroin> "can never be truly free without this or that"
17:53:10 <luigi1111> oh meeting
17:53:49 <TenderloinGroin> That sort of messaging is always a bit more negative value-skeweed. Speaking to the entire crypto market's desire to remind us of the villains surrounding us instead of the benefits in front of us
17:54:31 <midipoet> oh just noticed is also has an ex FBI cybersec dude. Fun.
17:55:37 <xmrscott[m]1> Idea/FYI: I plan to post a how-to build a Monero GUI flatpak so people can test it later today so I can the hopefully PR it to FlatHub late Sunday. I can test it on my system, but I want to make sure it works on others if possible so I can point to the FlatHub admins that some divide and conquer testing was done to hopefully make it easier to approve. So I guess keep an eye out on reddit for that
17:56:47 <rehrar> neato midipoet
17:56:52 <rehrar> neato xmrscott[m]1
17:57:09 <rehrar> Ok. We're approaching the hour.
17:57:13 <rehrar> Any last minute things to talk about?
17:59:09 <rehrar> Alright. It looks like we'll call it here guys.
17:59:12 <rehrar> Next meeting in two weeks.
17:59:18 <TenderloinGroin> I'm good I will try to show up for the next
17:59:20 <rehrar> Which is March 6th.
17:59:28 <rehrar> Thanks for coming!
17:59:34 <TenderloinGroin> Thanks!
17:59:50 <lh1008[m]> Thank you everyone. #Tesl4XMR
18:00:08 <luigi1111w> missed an a
18:00:21 <lh1008[m]> oups yes :P
18:00:29 <lh1008[m]> #Tesla4XMR
18:00:39 <binaryFate> thanks all, enjoy the WE
18:10:49 <midipoet> thanks rehrar
18:11:10 <TenderloinGroin> lol such mixed feelings about the tesla thing
18:11:14 <TenderloinGroin> but thanks all
18:17:04 <luigi1111> looking forward to see what you or others come up with
19:18:51 <xmrscott[m]1> Op no need, it looks like the original manifest creator put in a PR yesterday: https://github.com/flathub/flathub/pull/2124
19:26:56 <kinghat[m]> monero gui on flatpak eh?
19:27:12 <kinghat[m]>  * monero gui as flatpak eh?
19:40:26 <midipoet> can someone explain the flatpac
19:40:36 <bhmxiufb> “I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero
19:42:53 <midipoet> *flatpak
19:52:10 <xmrscott[m]1> <midipoet "can someone explain the flatpac"> Basically a sandbox format that is installable and and supported by most every package manager allowing apps to be easily installed
19:52:29 <xmrscott[m]1> So rather than build a .deb, a .rpm, etc if you have a .flatpak you're good for all systems
19:53:18 <xmrscott[m]1> See the website for further details: https://flatpak.org/
19:53:49 <midipoet> xmrscott[m]1: thanks!
19:58:32 <midipoet> that seems a cool project.
20:01:09 <midipoet> Am I reading it right that flathub is sort of like an open-source appstore for Linux?
20:01:58 <kinghat[m]> ya, buts its more like fdroid where you dont have to use the flathub repo and ppl can have their own repos
20:17:45 <xmrscott[m]1> Yeah, basically technically decentralized, but spiritually centralized is perhaps the best way to describe it. Most users are not going to want to point at 10+ repos for 10+ apps, so community has aggregated around FlatHub as a one stop shop/repo
20:49:59 <ratsclub[m]> <kinghat[m] "monero gui on flatpak eh?"> does it have any advantage over the current .AppImage?
20:50:30 <kinghat[m]> there isnt an appimage
20:50:44 <kinghat[m]> appimages are different though
20:51:37 <ratsclub[m]> <kinghat[m] "there isnt an appimage"> wait... I downloaded Monero GUI Wallet and it came with a .AppImage
20:51:41 <ratsclub[m]> > <@kinghat:matrix.org> there isnt an appimage
20:51:41 <ratsclub[m]>  * wait... I downloaded Monero GUI Wallet and it came with an .AppImage
20:52:02 <ratsclub[m]> It's inside the .tar
20:52:03 <kinghat[m]> afaik its just a shortcut
20:52:15 <kinghat[m]> open it with a text editor
20:52:53 * ratsclub[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2021-02-20 17-52-35.png (3KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ciDqjchjiZFawcxhOCIbCOKA/Screenshot from 2021-02-20 17-52-35.png >
20:52:55 <ratsclub[m]> lol
20:52:56 <kinghat[m]> its also 20 B which couldnt even hold an image
20:53:04 <ratsclub[m]> Thanks for clarifying it
22:13:57 <xmrscott[m]1> <ratsclub[m] "does it have any advantage over "> AppImage is basically just a portable .exe equivalent
22:15:21 <xmrscott[m]1> Flatpak/flathub is more geared at (semi-)automated packagement management. So when someone updates the manifest w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages
22:16:22 <xmrscott[m]1>  * Flatpak/flathub is more geared at (semi-)automated package management. So when someone updates the manifest w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages
22:16:52 <xmrscott[m]1>  * Flatpak+FlatHub repo is more geared at (semi-)automated package management. So when someone updates the manifest w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages
22:17:10 <xmrscott[m]1>  * Flatpak+FlatHub repo is more geared at (semi-)automated package management. So when someone updates the manifest on FlatHub w/ a new binary from getmonero, Discover (KDE) or whatever you use picks it up and updates w/ all your other packages
22:20:44 <ratsclub[m]> <xmrscott[m]1 "AppImage is basically just a por"> Oh I see. Flathub has a whole environment around it