all you messaging experts. what are some of these suggestions like?

Richochet Refresh sounds interesting?

midipoet: I have no experience with any of those two, but ricochet is p2p and those usually suffer from some unreability and high power consumption in mobile

yeah I've found Matrix / Riot / Element to be the most reliable

(of that list)

matrix is great.

federation is a big plus.

hate it when people leave one centralized messaging service for another.

it's all centralized.

with matrix, don't people just usually join the official matrix server?

<charolastra "with matrix, don't people just u"> There are a lot of open servers apart from matrix.org

(I am still using matrix.org because I'm planning to run my own server soon enough)

yes, but i've read that the matrix server has by far the majority of users

see :p

Yes

<charolastra "with matrix, don't people just u"> I didn.t

I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?

I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?

<charolastra "with matrix, don't people just u"> Yes, the reference client, Riot/Element connected people to the official one so by nature of that a good number are there. There are FOSS projects out there w/ their own like KDE's with smaller amounts of users

Not quite as sure about non-FOSS instances, like if gaming communities, etc are opting to use Matrix to supplement or replace Discord servers, etc

xmrscott: You can sign up to other homeservers using Riot/Element client.

I am using Element on halogen.city server.

Yeah, I know, I've done so for KDE, etc. :)

Ah, ok.

By default though, at least historically, it guided you to the 'official' one

The diversity client implementation is important. But I think it is more important to have more than one homeservers available for registration, in order to prevent a single homeserver deleting/censoring people from using Matrix.

<xmrscott[m] "By default though, at least hist"> It has a button to click, for specifying another homeserver now.

Yep, although it looks like Element still doesn't support the ability to quickly toggle through different accounts like the way Fedilab does w/ Mastodon/Pleroma

This seems like a nicely packaged way to spin up a new Matrix server: github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy