<@rehrar> I deleted my twitter. Waste of time.

based.

Meeting here in ten minutes thereabouts

hey all. Meeting time.

1. Greetings

anyone here?

hello

o/

Hello.

Hello

hi

cool. We got some people with us today then.

2. CCS Updates

first up, erciccione with more work on the website: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/199

opinions? thoughts? criticisms?

just FYI is the same as the last one

*it is

I say ye

Is 30 same rate?

I'm for either way

yeah, it's copy-pasted wit the rewards changed

thank you both for the support

+1

ok, moving on

bulletproofs+ audit

sarang: are you here? can you give a note?

sarang asked several questions in the proposal itself that were answered by the team

Perhaps a broader question: do we need to solicit other audits as well or would be feel comfortable with this one only?

Maybe that's mostly an MRL and dev question

I think the community side should approve the CCS after an MRL meeting about it

yes, without a researcher here, it's hard to form an opinion either way. I'll make it a point to ask sarang another time and report back

ye

a 2nd independent audit might be good, if possible

maybe the audit workgroup can get us a quote on one other?

Ok. then we also have Mastering Monero Serbian and Mastering Monero Spanish translations

If I may speak my opinion, I don't support these two. Not because there's anything wrong with the proposal or contributors themselves (both have contributed before), but because Mastering Monero desperately needs to be updated.

In particular, the Kovri section needs to be removed, as its still causing confusion.

same boat here. mastering monero desperately needs that second edition before we can think of any reasonable translations.

I have the same opinion. The content is very old

SerHack: I don't know if you're present.

I know you've had ideas and desire to update the book, but don't know if you had (or will have in the near future) the time to do so

if not, perhaps we can see about getting a workgroup together to get that done.

We have some money and are discussing using it to speed up the 2nd ed, but will not be super quick turnaround either

Mastering Monero is an incredible resource. I think one of our strongest. It'd be great to get it updated sooner rather than later.

sgp_: decent use of my time to update, you think?>

About translation-related CCS proposals. I want to point out that there is a new system now

rehrar: give me 1 week to get back to you

After a proposal is merged and the work submitted, the translations will be reviewed by members of the localization workgroup and not by randoms

ErCiccione[m]: neato

We have a little treasury now used for this purpose

woohoo!

This will hopefully avoid the problems had in past of CCS translators reviewing their own strings

ok, that's it for CCS stuff

3. Workgroup reports

if you head or can speak for a workgroup's progress this past month or so, please feel free to speak up.

loads of stuff

and a surprise soon(tm)

O__o

no

surprise now!!

surprise soon

:)

:( ok

any highlights on 'loads of stuff' to share?

Hello

MS will have weekly trading and news shows soon^tm

rehrar: sorry I was absent. I have a couple of ideas for the second edition and I think it's going to be better than the first one (we say: "more illustrations!").

For Monero Outreach small report, out past CCS, in our second milestone, we're missing out the quickfacts. We're having some trouble with making calls using the RPC-pay server so that has us delayed in that.

We're working on those fixes with moneromooo

About the CSS Spanish Mastering Monero I undertsand too, I know it's old content. I'll close it :). Thanks

any highlights on 'loads of stuff' to share? <- lots of translators and work on putting user guides on Weblate are the two biggest things i would say

SerHack: do you have any sort of timeline or no?

thanks lh1008[m], sgp_, and ErCiccione[m]

Oh yeah, and Monero Meet directly after this meeting if someone wants to join

Ok.

My biggest problem is finding time for project. At first, I need to complete tasks that can contribute to my "earnings" to afford university taxes.

SerHack: understood. Follow up question them. If the community deems this a priority, would you consider it someone stepping on your toes if they took the lead to update the book?

well, we're going to move on. Answer when you can and just put it in whenever.

We have about $5k to sponsor the effort

4. Meeting on meetings

A while back, the devs decided that the dev meetings were dying down in usefulness as core and people responsible for merging were able to attend less and less. Due to this, the dev meetings have more or less gone away.

I want to ask people's opinions on the community meetings. Are they useful? Should be the changed or added to? What would make them better for the community at large? Should we attempt to get much more attendance or is getting the ideas of a few core people valuable enough?

monero-dev does not appear to be on Matrix

you can join the freenode room from matrix

I think the community meetings are useful, yes.

cankerwort: #freenode_#monero-dev:matrix.org

Ty ErCiccione

np

A common strategy to plan projects is to add an agenda item to the next community meeting.

The only exception is when the plan can't wait for the next meeting, or if the project is so large that it has it's own meetings.

Bigger attendance by widely advertising earlier would be good

alright, thanks for the thoughts. I'll see about how to implement these and expand the community meetings there

that's all I was thinking :)

5. Open Ideas Time

this is a time for anyone to speak up with an idea they have, or any other thing they want to discuss that wasn't discussed in the meeting.

I think the community meeting should be keep running. They are important as they help organize community related stuff. I think those interested join and participate, those not so interested don't come.

is there a reason that multisig has been available for so long but still isnt in the GUI wallet?

The Monero meets tend to be larger than the community meetings these days, and more regular. You guys are free to join! Next one in 20 minutes on #monero-space

bevanoff: hmm...I guess nobody has made a good layout and no dev has decided to implement directly in the GUI

campaigning for it and getting people to agree and join your side might be a good way to show the devs that this is something the community really wants

I see the community meetings being more about the CCS discussions now

mm okay so uh obviously im new but id be interested in adding it myself with some help with design

oh, awesome!

Oh, we also ideally need a new home for these meeting logs

I actually started on it a couple weeks ago but figured I should see if its something you guys are actually interested in before continuing

it'd probably be wise to pop into #monero-dev then and talk with them about it

bevanoff: I'd be happy to have it in the GUI, yes

ok coolio

sgp_: ye. is anyone submitting logs atm?

Not to my knowledge

sgp_: I have monerobrasil.org domain/blog if you need a place

I talked to the Monerologs admin, maybe there

Haven't heard back since yet though

ok. I'll see if I can find a home, or make one myself then.

Thanks for bringing it up sgp_

ok. And with that, unless there's anything else, I'm happy to call the meeting here so Monero Space people can have time to prepare for their thing.

another GUI looking for CCS funding which includes work in multisig implementation ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required

Any last minute discussions?

ty nioc

ty rehrar

just woke up from a nap :)

They could be sored in the meta repo

*stored

the logs

yeah, not well indexed by google though

alrighty everyone. Thanks for coming! The meeting is over now. :)

nioc: it seems like that's only for feather wallet not the official gui?

also im not looking for funding or anything just like a project for my free time

bevanoff: yes for feather, and yes it would be good to have it in GUI as well

AIUI implementation is not straight forward

bevanoff: I believe rbrunner did the CLI implementation

which part? for simplicity's sake I've started with just the N/N scheme

Thank you all for your participation :)

*2/2 not general N/N typo

The transferring of long strings for the wallet creation is annoying but I think QR codes could be a good aid

I just follow things, hopefully someone can step up and answer your questions in more detail

ok i guess I'll move over to the dev channel. thanks :)

can I just confirm that rehrar is going to take responsibility for ensuring that -community meetings happen at regular intervals?

yes

unless somebody volunteers to take over :)

how regular are you intending them to be?

two weeks. Why?

because I didn't understand why needmoney90 said that Monero meets were more regular, when they are every four weeks

"Monero meets"

community meetings have been spotty the past few months.

Yes, I agree

ye, my fault

I wouldnt call them regular in any sense

at least the meets have been around and happening on a timetable

aka regularity

(no thanks to me, sgp_ is much more organized than I am)

I think it would be a good thing if we ensure that there are bidirectional updates between the two "community groups". If all ok with it.

Decentralisation is cool and all, but....

This has effectively become a CCS discussion meeting and not really a community meeting

I dont really see why coordination is required when -space doesn't touch the CCS stuff, unless it comes up in discussion

what kind of updates were you imagining?

I don't know. I hadn't thought that far

I always thought that -community meetings were for workgroup updates

But obviously that is not set in stone

I think it's important that when we do get back to "event planning", that there is cohesion. That's my main worry

I feel like updates aren't a great reason to have meetings. A newsletter would do fine. Unless the people had discussion.

midipoet: I also think the first step is seeing what events are valuable so we don't plan for needless events.

Sure, but there are the obvious ones

Which seemed to first stem from community and then branch out

I'll be blunt here. sgp_ was definitely the primary driving force behind the community meetings. And when he wanted the shift to the LLC, people rather he did it away from -community.

There is no reason why that can't change (to the monero-meet and then out), but then people should be made aware that is what is happening

This is fine, of course. But since I wasn't doing the meetings (unless he was absent) for a while, it didn't fit into my priorities as much as it did Justin's.

I'm getting a taste of whether or not that should change, but that's where it is right now.

Seems fair

-community could be designated for CCS discussions as needmoney90 suggested. Makes sense....but each workgroup lead should say, just in case they want some forum to update progress, gather feedback, etc

And I use "workgroup lead" in a loose manner

Community Crowdfunding System (CCS): Current Translation Work: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ktynjd…ity_crowdfunding_system_ccs_current