sgp_: Did you see this btw? youtube.com/watch?v=FxEENDi13Eg

it's crazy how far down we've fallen as 'free' societies that this question even has to be asked

dEBRUYNE: I saw that this happened but I didn't have a chance to watch

Features Perkins and Gemini right?

Yeah and someone who worked at the NYDFS

watching now

the fact that gov'ts are trying to phase out cash should be answer enough

yeah that's a larger battle

the fact that most people don't seem to care is somewhat disturbing too

well, it's important to take these battles one at a time sometimes

we should make animated cartoons explaining monero to 5 year olds, it's the only hope

making it normal for exchanges to support XMR, ZEC is important

agreed

meh. it should be normal for exchanges to ban XEC for being a scam

ZEC ...

use its inclusion for your advantage though in making a narrative

but our battle is the anti-cash battle

anti-anti-cash

for example, Decred adding privacy had a surprisingly broad impact in making people realize privacy can be added to existing assets they support, even though it's not even on most exchanges

the "threat" of ETH adding privacy helps move these conversations forward

it's about the narrative

always has been

what you're saying is we should downplay the difference between opt-in vs opt-out privacy, get regulators to accept all the opt-in coins, and then just sneak in with them.

no I'm not saying that

I'm saying that we should argue "Gemini allows withdraws to shielded addresses; why not support Monero withdrawals?"

stuff along those lines

what are your procedures for evaluating the risks of BTC deposits? how can that be applied to XMR?

looks self-defeating to me, because you're equating XMR to all those other coins

when clearly they are not all equal

what do you do when you run a customer's deposits through Chainalysis KYT and it says "unknown"? how would Monero be different?

it's different because governments are already salivating at the fact that they can keep on tracking everyone even after they withdraw from the exchange

no such luck with monero (as it should be)

in some cases it doesn't matter how it is in practice, so long as it looks good to the VASP and they can argue that they are doing proper due diligence

i think a trump card (heh, good timing :p) might be the fact that many exchange CEOs and tech staff are totally pro-privacy, because they also get it

sometimes it even comes up, but i can't help shake the notion that almost everyone is holding back

from them you usually get "we love privacy, but..."

"but the regulator will fine us brutally and they got us by the balls now because we're a legit business"

doesn't mean they don't want to offer it to people

perhaps but hardly anyone tries if they aren't forced to try

like, do you really think Gemini would push for ZEC if they weren't invested

so you are saying we should donate gazillions monroes to exchange CEOs?

:D

interesting approach

hehe

I mean that's one approach

pay someone to care

we all should care, it's our freedom on the line. speaking to the choir here i realize

takes action to make dreams a reality

as i'm fond of saying, i just don't get in which version of reality it makes sense that the baker sees i have $50k DAI from taking a trivial look at the blockchain

like, seriously

what are people smoking, because they should smoke something else

regulators sometimes only think in terms of the scope of their goals

perhaps they ought to walk around with a live dashboard of their personal finances above their heads for a month or two to get the point

add cellphone tracking and browser history to boot

****ers

lol

i find it very distasteful, the whole bully act, holier-than-tho, we-know-better-even-tho-we-don't-really-use-this-stuff, orders from above type of deal

the state is the ultimate middle man

<sgp_> like, do you really think Gemini would push for ZEC if they weren't invested <= I frankly think ZEC would benefit from Monero getting listed on CB / Gemini

perhaps, but convince them of that :p

give me two hits of acid and 12 hours and i can do it!

the 2nd hit is for some zec guy, if it wasn't clear :p

hehe, to "show them the way". Peace, love and fungible digital cash

:)

dEBRUYNE: panel was pretty informative

I recommend it

Will have a listen tomorrow

Feel free to post it on the sub too by the way