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needmoney90
Should we organize a workgroup for communicating with registrars and search engines about scams that they index/host?
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needmoney90
After talking a bit with sgp_ I'm realizing we don't really have anything like that atm
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xmrscott[m]
needmoney90: I'd be down for that. I've done similar things solo in various oddball forms (e.g. notifying Patreon there's a warrant out for a person their servicing)
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xmrscott[m]
*they're
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sethsimmons
Andreas officially accepting $XMR at his store as of today 👀
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sethsimmons
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sgp_
sethsimmons: nice!
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sgp_
sethsimmons: I didn't hold back against this Alex Bitcoin maxi haha
twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1288669034897190913?s=19
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sethsimmons
He’s beyond hope sadly
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sethsimmons
I’ve spent hours talking to him in DMs
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sethsimmons
He’s either blind or malicious
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sethsimmons
He basically says that Bitcoin being useless today makes it a Trojan horse so they can sneak privacy in later
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sethsimmons
And could care less who that hurts along the way (if it actually comes true)
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sethsimmons
Seeing as he pitches Bitcoin to victims of human rights and refuses to see the value in Monero, or the danger in using Bitcoin for the poor or uneducated fleeing oppression, I’m not sure debating is helpful.
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sethsimmons
But I loved all your responses sgp_, pointing out that CA only exists BECAUSE OF BITCOINS FLAWS is such a clear reasoned argument
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sethsimmons
Getting mad at someone for doing analytics on the data you willingly publish in the clear is asinine
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sgp_
He preaches privacy but then pushes super hard against anyone who points out issues with BTC's privacy. He is a lost cause
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sgp_
I'm only engaging since Dave is on the thread haha
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sethsimmons
When they only exist because you refuse to do what’s needed for a technological solution 🙃
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sethsimmons
Makes sense
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sethsimmons
That’s usually when I engage him too, just to shed light on the fallacies for others
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sethsimmons
I have no hope of bringing clarity to Alex himself.
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sethsimmons
If his fairy world of BTC sneaking privacy in down the road comes true, I’ll be happy I guess
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sethsimmons
/rant lol
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sgp_
Lol
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niocbrrrrrr
I thought what was in the Trojan horse was............Monero
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gingeropolous
heh. i wonder if we shoudl brainstorm ways to piggyback on bitcoins network if indeed monero has to use it as a literal trojan horse of sorts
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gingeropolous
like, if the hammer comes down and somehow the monero network comes under attack
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niocbrrrrrr
merge mining :D
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needmoney90
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needmoney90
lol
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needmoney90
I asked him for money before he asked me
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niocbrrrrrr
Well your name is needmoney
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Mumuks[m]
<sethsimmons "He’s beyond hope sadly"> Traders and people heavily invested will not tell the truth, they will just repeat the same pitch
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Mumuks[m]
Remember there is a lot of people who bought at 15k, at 17k, even at 20k. They want their money back.
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Mumuks[m]
And they can not say openly to others that they should back so he gets his money back and then some, he has to wrap himself on an aura of caring for the world, for others, bla bla bla...
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Mumuks[m]
And some of them even believe their own lies over time, because, except pure psychopaths, nodoby likes being the bad guy
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Mumuks[m]
*...that they should buy so he gets his money back and...
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Mumuks[m]
That's why you can not argue with some people.
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Mumuks[m]
To be honest, the settlement layer community is sad to see now. It has been for a while, but now is more obvious and it is only going to get worse
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lza_menace
needmoney90, that's obnoxious af...."hey there, ___ here from _____. great news, we can list you. There will be a fee for this."
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lza_menace
.scam
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monerobux
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needmoney90
lza_menace: the fun part is once youve seen the template enough times and pretending like they should be paying you :p
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needmoney90
They usually don't open with 'pay me', so you get a freebie message or two before they ask
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needmoney90
He asked me pointedly saying 'what, you've never paid any exchanges for listing?'
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needmoney90
Which I thought was hilarious
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needmoney90
And I assured him that no, we don't roll like that
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midipoet
what crypto news sites do people use these days? are there actually any engaging/interesting ones?
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dixie__flatline[
<sethsimmons "Getting mad at someone for doing"> exactly.
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Inge-
sethsimmons: did you get a screenshot of the andreas tweet? seems gone ..
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needmoney90
Inge-: it's still up for me
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needmoney90
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needmoney90
For your viewing pleasure.
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fluffypony
lol needmoney90
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fluffypony
when they contact me about exchange listings my new response is "sure, you can list Monero, our standard fee is $50 000 to list it. Would you like to pay in BTC?"
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fluffypony
they're *very* confused when they get that
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needmoney90
It's the best role reversal
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needmoney90
'wait no we want money'
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needmoney90
'why would we pay you? Pay me!'
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Inge-
sethsimmons: thanks! heh, on my phone I cant get to the shopping cart on his store
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Inge-
is there an easy guide to getting XMR integrated with btcpayserver? If not, maybe sethsimmons can ask Andreas to detail his setup :D
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sethsimmons
I may ask and see if he had any issues or would like more clarification in docs. TBH I haven't ever used BTCPay so no idea how complex/easy it was to enable Monero support.
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sgp_
here's the deal folks, CLSAG audit info is coming out tomorrow. cool stuff
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sgp_
however, if we want CLSAG to have a logo, it needs to happen today so it can make it into the blog posts
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sgp_
my impression is that the logo should convey speed. up to the designer if they want it to be more fun or professional
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sarang
The blog post is finished and I'm making the PR, but won't push it until the release time that's being coordinated with OSTIF; that time is tomorrow (Friday) at 16:00 UTC
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sarang
This is so both we and OSTIF can release the report simultaneously to be consistent
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sgp_
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monerobux
[REDDIT] Design the CLSAG logo (<24 hours!) (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by SamsungGalaxyPlayer | Created at 2020-07-30 - 13:29:25
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sarang
:D
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fluffypony
we need a Monero comedian who can make jokes like "CLSAG? More like CLSAD amiright?" and then play laugh track
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thrmo
/thread
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sgp_
lmao
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sgp_
fluffypony: please record a ~5-10 second video saying that and I'll upload to YT
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fluffypony
LOL
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sarang
Be sure to record in front of a solid green background for maximal fun
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fluffypony
you need someone with a Tony Danza voice to do it
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sarang
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sarang
If nobody submits a better one, that's what will go in the PR
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sgp_
hahaha did you post on Reddit?
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sethsimmons
Oh god
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sethsimmons
Don’t make me whip out MS Paint
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sarang
I have not posted on reddit yet
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sarang
But post it I shall
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sgp_
😂
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sgp_
I need to set some context for this, but sarang and I were chatting about humorous ways we could advertise CLSAG
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sgp_
sarang found some Veridian Dynamics videos from Better Off Ted, which led to me watching the entire series. Here are some of the best ones:
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sgp_
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monerobux
[ Mistakes - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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sgp_
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monerobux
[ Veridian Dynamics: Friendship Commerical - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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sarang
<3 Better Off Ted <3
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jwinterm
let me know when I win so I can give you my address for payout
sketch.io/render/sk-b5d23f07eea56b7fde30910cbacf5876.jpeg
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sgp_
so we joked about a similar video with "CLSAG: you can't prove that it isn't a game changer"
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jwinterm
doesn't really capture the "fast" part, but I was going more for the "sag" aspect
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sgp_
lol
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sgp_
jwinterm: share on Reddit plz
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ErCiccione
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ErCiccione
apparently automod hates me
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monerobux
[REDDIT] GetMonero.org updated: Massive performance improvements, greatly improved SEO, new "Blog" menu, removed all javascript and more! (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-07-30 - 14:11:13
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fluffypony
approved
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ErCiccione
Thank you sir
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dsc_
nice one
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sethsimmons
Damn good work ErCiccione
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sethsimmons
Thats a huge increase in performance/decrease in size!
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sethsimmons
Is there an onion site for getmonero.org?
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ErCiccione
Thanks. The idea of shrinking images in the home was sarang's, i just applied it.
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ErCiccione
no onion site yet, waiting for pigeons to deploy it
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ErCiccione
but yeah a lot of nice improvements. Especially the fixed sitemap, that has been broken for something like 2 years? Now browsers have correct page links to indicize
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sethsimmons
<ErCiccione "no onion site yet, waiting for p"> Sweet, definitely share/post when that's live, and lets be sure we have the Onion Location header set for getmonero.org to allow easy redirects to Tor:
community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/onion-location
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ErCiccione
will surely do. A series of PRs i made to adapt the website to the eventual deployment as onion service have already been merged
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ErCiccione
but beside, i will look that up
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sethsimmons
should be an easy add to the nginx/apache conf
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ErCiccione
Looks like we can simply add a meta tag to the header
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sethsimmons
Yeah pretty simple, but makes it obvious when a user is browsing getmonero.org with Tor browser that they can switch to the native onion site
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sethsimmons
Easy on our end and good for Tor users :)
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ErCiccione
yep. I don't know if pigeons is already considering that, will ping him. Thanks for the heads up :)
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sethsimmons
np, thanks for all your hard work there! BTW, planning on using a bunch of my paternity leave coming up to get familiar with monero-site contributing, trying to help out with docs/guides/etc
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sethsimmons
Will probably have a good bit of questions in the next month or so :)
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ErCiccione
That sounds great and congratulations!
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ErCiccione
no problem, feel free to ping me
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sethsimmons
Thanks!
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xmrscott[m]
midipoet: Honestly just use Twitter and r/cc sadly because how bad writers tend to be in the space. Sarang or MRL might be able to recommend some by nature of being well read
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sarang
xmrscott[m]: recommend some what?
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xmrscott[m]
<midipoet "what crypto news sites do people"> sarang: ^
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sarang
Oof, tough one
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midipoet
what was the one that had a cool site design?
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midipoet
blockbuster or something like that
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sarang
The big ones are useful to know what stories arise, but they often have some major technical shortcomings
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midipoet
xmrscott[m]: i am sure you recommended it, but it then closed down (sadly). they used to have long form pieces
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sgp_
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dsc_
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Mumuks[m]
I like the first two, sarang andjwinterm , you guys are very talented
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sgp_
dsc_: are those from Fiverr?
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sgp_
I love the random shirts lol
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dsc_
lol
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selsta
these look AI generated
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dsc_
they are AI generated but I had some input:
i.imgur.com/WfsxqTZ.png
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midipoet
i keep thinking it's actually mysogynist: C-SLAG
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jwinterm
how is slag misogynist?
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jwinterm
in my mind slag is just the carbon rich shit that floats to the top of liquid steel
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jwinterm
.dict slag
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monerobux
slag — noun: 1. waste material from a coal mine, 2. scum that forms on the surface of molten metal — verb: 1. (trans.) to produce slag, 2. (intr.) to become slag; to agglomerate when heated below the fusion point
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xmrpow
I know it is a little bit off topic but ;) Does anyone off you use something like ubuntu touch or postmarketos as your daily driver?
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jwinterm
does windows 10 on a touchscreen laptop count?
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xmrpow
jwinterm: Hmmm... I was more thinking of pure linux on phone experience ;)
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jwinterm
no but I want to order pinephone just to play with it
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xmrpow
jwinterm: If im getting it right there are no working alternatives out there? And the ones that are existing are very alpha.
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jwinterm
I know of purism xmrpow
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jwinterm
but generally haven't heard good things about them
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jwinterm
pinephone is like $100 so if it sucks oh well
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jwinterm
purism is like $1000 and apparently it sucks
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xmrpow
purism is damn expensive.
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xmrpow
And one guy there who quit told about a lot of ugly things happening at purism.
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jwinterm
I read a couple reviews and it seems like the battery sucks and the phone/apps experience leaves a lot to be desired
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sgp_
That CTO (I think) interview was a good read
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sgp_
ex-CTO
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fluffypony
they haven't even hit Dagwood on it yet, tho, right?
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fluffypony
so any experiences on the 5 are still very much alpha
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sarang
So when should the release name/height be chosen?
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sarang
The blog post for CLSAG lists the upgrade as happening "in October" but doesn't have a name obviously
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sgp_
We can add the actual date
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sgp_
But name TBD
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niocbrrrrrr
.w ogma
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monerobux
[WIKIPEDIA] Ogma | "Ogma (modern spelling: Oghma) is a god from Irish and Scottish mythology. A member of the Tuatha Dé Danann, he is often considered a deity and may be related to the Gallic god Ogmios. According to the Ogam Tract, he is the inventor of Ogham, the script in which Irish Gaelic was first written...." |
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogma
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sarang
?
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sarang
Celestial object?
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niocbrrrrrr
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monerobux
[WIKIPEDIA] HD 149026 | "HD 149026, also named Ogma , is a yellow subgiant star approximately 250 light-years from the Sun in the constellation of Hercules. An extrasolar planet (designated HD 149026 b, later named Smertrios) is believed to orbit the star...."
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niocbrrrrrr
not many Os to choose from
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jwinterm
obvs Orion
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jwinterm
Oort cloud
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jwinterm
Oxygen Oort has nice ring to it
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niocbrrrrrr
duh
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niocbrrrrrr
jwinterm if you find it please return my brain
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niocbrrrrrr
yhx
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niocbrrrrrr
I miss it
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jwinterm
think I may have seen it in the oort cloud
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niocbrrrrrr
it seems to have the organization of the oort cloud
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xmrpow
Which mobile os would you prefer from a privacy perspective? Android or ios?
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xmrpow
fluffypony: If I can remember correctly you have been saying that privacy on ios is better than android.
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fluffypony
it's gotten extremely good over the last couple of years for sure
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fluffypony
and it's easy to configure it in a way that it sends very little data to Apple, if any
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fluffypony
(except for notary checks on apps, for eg.)
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xmrpow
fluffypony: I kind of dont like their locked down ecosystem and their adapter mania ;)
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xmrpow
fluffypony: Isnt that possible with android too?
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fluffypony
yes there's lots you can do with Android, but I think it comes down to philosophy
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cassact[m]1
<xmrpow "fluffypony: If I can remember co"> Android, but only if you are willing to invest a lot of time and effort into it.
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cassact[m]1
iOS has better privacy out of the box and with minimal tweaks
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xmrpow
So more privacy by default ;)
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xmrpow
cassact: What do you mean by investing a lot of time? Is it just about editing some system configs or would I have to dig deeper?
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cassact[m]1
More then that, Custom Roms like replicant
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cassact[m]1
Rooting
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xmrpow
ok
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hyc
rooting would be the most direct path
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hyc
root, then install AFwall and turn off network privs for majority of stuff
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hyc
it's also a good way to block majority of ads, ad providers
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cassact[m]1
Right, and it can get real finicky depending on what apps you want and what you’re threat model is
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xmrpow
I have never tried to root a phone. Is it difficult?
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cassact[m]1
IMO unless you’re willing to hot swap SIM cards your privacy is fucked just by using a cellphone
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hyc
depends on how new the phone is
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hyc
there are one-click auto-root apps for older phones, the newest phones haven't been broken yet
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xmrpow
you mean sth like king root?
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hyc
yeah
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hyc
these days, the steps required to root a phone are about the same steps required to install a custom ROM
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cassact[m]1
Yes, IMO Its harder then installing Ubuntu but easier then using command line
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hyc
figure out how to unlock bootloader, then inject su binary, etc
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cassact[m]1
(Depending on phone model yeah
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cassact[m]1
But yeah, budget 30-40 minutes into searching “how do I root x”
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cassact[m]1
And you should get a sense of whether or not it’s within your capacity
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hyc
hang out on forum.xda-developers.com
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hyc
it all gets hashed out there
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xmrpow
Isnt there a threat by using these kind of apps?
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xmrpow
For me it sounds like Android could be compared to getting privacy with btc...
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hyc
I pretty much never use those apps. the manual steps are on xda forum
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xmrpow
hyc: Thank you im going to have a look at it.
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hyc
fun fact: when satoshi was inventing bitcoin, I was developing Android ROMs...
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xmrpow
cassact: So if i can use linux command line there should no problem?
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xmrpow
hyc: Could you recommend some roms that are taking care of privacy?
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hyc
whatever cyanogenmod calls itself these days
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hyc
LineageOS
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cassact[m]1
<xmrpow "For me it sounds like Android co"> Kind of yes. You can get privacy, but it’s not easy and it’s ultimately not as good as privacy by default. The problem is IOS is not like monero. It’s more like a gift card you buy with cash?
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cassact[m]1
Or maybe more like privacy.com debit cards?
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hyc
thing is, once you root android, you are capable of configuring much stronger privacy
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hyc
with iOS you get what you get
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hyc
you get what Apple chooses to give you, nothing more
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cassact[m]1
<xmrpow "cassact: So if i can use linux c"> If you can use command line you are computer savvy enough to figure out how to root android ya
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cassact[m]1
<hyc "you get what Apple chooses to gi"> Yup. Defaults are better with iOS tho.
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xmrpow
hyc: true, does lineageos already takes care of some privacy aspects or would I have to configure additional things.
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xmrpow
?
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hyc
... by default, lineage leaks less info to google
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hyc
but aside from that, I don't think much difference
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hyc
so yes, you should configure additional stuff. Install AFwall, set it appropriately to firewall your apps
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xmrpow
What do you think about fairphone? They do have a lot of support from all the third party os.
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xmrpow
Im not sure if it is just an overpriced phone that just makes you feel better about the environment.
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xmrpow
hyc: I think if my phone is not on the supported device list lineage os wont be worth a try?
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hyc
maybe not, but if your phone is popular enough there may be other hackers who ported lineage to it anyway, unofficially
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needmoney90
sgp_: I'm so sad better off Ted didn't get any more seasons
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needmoney90
It was brilliant
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sgp_
I rate it 8/10
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sgp_
too much focus on the characters' love lives
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needmoney90
True
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thrmo
have you looked into graphene os hyc?
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hyc
ah I loved that series
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hyc
thrmo: nope
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thrmo
I guess it might be your cup of tea
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sgp_
I should wear this to my next social event when those are socially acceptable and safe:
redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Better-Off-…n-by-CruelCotton/35407815.6IBXU.XYZ
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scoobybejesus
+1 on better off ted
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sgp_
lots of love here for a forgotten show
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xmrscott[m]
"xmrpow" (
matrix.to/#/@freenode_xmrpow:matrix.org): Honestly would avoid any Android-related ecosystem (e.g. /e/ if you can). At the end of the day you'd still be feeding the beast as it were via dev in Android Studio, etc.
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xmrscott[m]
Better to make a clean break and support Linux app dev via libhandy, kirigami2 frameworks, etc etc
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xmrscott[m]
Also 100% gurantee of 0 leaks to Google et al :)
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dsc_
xmrscott[m]: regarding Monero GUI @ purism
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dsc_
is that still a wish
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xmrscott[m]
Not to mention a lot of the base apps/experience would be the same. Have Debian on your PC? Use Mobian and feel at home, etc
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dsc_
@ librem*
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xmrscott[m]
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xmrscott[m]
"dsc_" (
matrix.to/#/@freenode_dsc_:matrix.org): FWIW I have an order w/ Pinephone August batch. This weekend should finish experimenting basic Flatpak packaging w/ kirigami2 for my own app and will move on to writing the Kirigami QML based on the specs outlined some 2 months ago
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xmrscott[m]
(for a Monero wallet)
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xmrscott[m]
*still combatting carpal tunnel ATM so progress has been slower than I would like
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dsc_
You're in the process of creating a Monero wallet that runs on pinephone?
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asymptotically
shouldn't the normal monero-gui wallet run on a pinephone?
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xmrscott[m]
Not the C++ logic, god no. Just the UI part of it that can be patched into the existing logic bits
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xmrscott[m]
TMK the base Qt framework isn't adaptive/condusive to mobile, hence why Kirigami2 exists
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dsc_
ok we might need to go into PM
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dsc_
:dd
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selsta
asymptotically: yes, but the screen might be too small
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selsta
monero-gui does not have a mobile UI currently
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xmrscott[m]
"asymptotically" (
matrix.to/#/@freenode_asymptotically:matrix.org): Also, gui is not necessarily friendly
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selsta
also we don’t offer ARM builds currently
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dsc_
yeah both pine and librem are ARM
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xmrscott[m]
In that for example the community(?) repo for monero-gui for Arch has to be launched from cli
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selsta
?
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selsta
that’s up to arch on how they package the GUI, we bundle a shortcut to launch from file explorer
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dsc_
selsta: our .AppImage is funny
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xmrscott[m]
Yeah, works now, wasn't working in the last major point release but seems to now
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xmrscott[m]
I had been using CLI out of force of habit
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xmrscott[m]
Anywho, most app stores in theory might use Flatpak
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xmrscott[m]
Purism for sure will be
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dsc_
(unrelated story) On Tails, when people download an executable, say; monero-wallet-gui, users wont be able to double click it because it is not marked as executable. They'd have to open a terminal and `chmod +x` it. Now this is very hard for some people so I looked into ways around that.
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xmrscott[m]
Not sure about distros are envisioning app management for Pinephone (e.g. Mobian, Arch Mobile ARM ('unofficial'))
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dsc_
Turns out, when you create a file called "bla.AppImage" which has a bash shebang, it will happily execute it.
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» xmrscott[m] notes brb
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asymptotically
hopefully mobian uses apt+dpkg and arch mobile uses pacman :D
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dsc_
so the GUI packages a .appimage which in fact, is not an appimage
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dsc_
so at CCC I went to the tails people to complain
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selsta
:D
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dsc_
and they said I should go to the debian people to complain
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dsc_
lo
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dsc_
l
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dsc_
xmrscott[m]: pm sent
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selsta
linux mint apparently does not like the .appimage hack
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selsta
every distro is different
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dsc_
oh, interesting
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selsta
but yea they should complain to their file manager / distro if they can’t open an executable lol
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selsta
even macos can do this
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dsc_
does tar.bz2 retain file permissions inside the archive?
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dsc_
maybe thats actually the problem
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selsta
yes they do
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dsc_
maybe just ship `monero-wallet-gui` as chmod +x
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selsta
we do that
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dsc_
ah ok, yeap
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asymptotically
i think you need to pass -p when you extract it
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dsc_
then its weird that Tails would allow arbitrary .appimage's to execute
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selsta
hmmm
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xmrscott[m]
Hmm, should make for an interesting potential bounty if anyone here does that kind of thing
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Lovera[m]
<dsc_ "(unrelated story) On Tails, when"> No, you don't need to do a chmod +. There is a .appimage and you just need yo do a double click
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dsc_
Lovera[m]: how did that .appimage get there?
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dsc_
(trick question)
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Lovera[m]
<dsc_ "Lovera: how did that .appimage g"> I can't exactly understand what you mean. But the .appimage is in the file you downloaded. You don't need to do "extra work". Download the GUI monero Wallet, right click, extract, double click in .appimage
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Lovera[m]
I just again checked it
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dsc_
Lovera[m]: Yes, I put it there, I work on the GUI
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dsc_
my story was about how .appimage was a hack I discovered for tails :P
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Lovera[m]
<dsc_ "my story was about how .appimage"> Ahhh ok ok 😅
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Lovera[m]
<dsc_ "my story was about how .appimage"> Sorry my mistake 😅😅😅
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xmrscott[m]
* Not sure about how distros are envisioning app management for Pinephone (e.g. Mobian, Arch Mobile ARM ('unofficial')) as I don't have a Pinephone in hand until late August to hack around on