01:43:04 <needmoney90> Should we organize a workgroup for communicating with registrars and search engines about scams that they index/host?
01:43:27 <needmoney90> After talking a bit with sgp_ I'm realizing we don't really have anything like that atm
01:53:47 <xmrscott[m]> needmoney90:  I'd be down for that. I've done similar things solo in various oddball forms (e.g. notifying Patreon there's a warrant out for a person their servicing)
01:53:56 <xmrscott[m]> *they're
02:11:48 <sethsimmons> Andreas officially accepting $XMR at his store as of today 👀
02:11:51 <sethsimmons> https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/1288651295197409282?s=21
02:42:01 <sgp_> sethsimmons: nice!
02:54:14 <sgp_> sethsimmons: I didn't hold back against this Alex Bitcoin maxi haha https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1288669034897190913?s=19
02:55:15 <sethsimmons> He’s beyond hope sadly
02:55:23 <sethsimmons> I’ve spent hours talking to him in DMs
02:55:35 <sethsimmons> He’s either blind or malicious
02:56:13 <sethsimmons> He basically says that Bitcoin being useless today makes it a Trojan horse so they can sneak privacy in later
02:56:37 <sethsimmons> And could care less who that hurts along the way (if it actually comes true)
02:57:22 <sethsimmons> Seeing as he pitches Bitcoin to victims of human rights and refuses to see the value in Monero, or the danger in using Bitcoin for the poor or uneducated fleeing oppression, I’m not sure debating is helpful.
02:57:53 <sethsimmons> But I loved all your responses sgp_, pointing out that CA only exists BECAUSE OF BITCOINS FLAWS is such a clear reasoned argument
02:58:30 <sethsimmons> Getting mad at someone for doing analytics on the data you willingly publish in the clear is asinine
02:58:44 <sgp_> He preaches privacy but then pushes super hard against anyone who points out issues with BTC's privacy. He is a lost cause
02:59:02 <sgp_> I'm only engaging since Dave is on the thread haha
02:59:03 <sethsimmons> When they only exist because you refuse to do what’s needed for a technological solution 🙃
02:59:26 <sethsimmons> Makes sense
02:59:42 <sethsimmons> That’s usually when I engage him too, just to shed light on the fallacies for others
02:59:52 <sethsimmons> I have no hope of bringing clarity to Alex himself.
03:00:20 <sethsimmons> If his fairy world of BTC sneaking privacy in down the road comes true, I’ll be happy I guess
03:00:26 <sethsimmons> /rant lol
03:01:32 <sgp_> Lol
03:08:06 <niocbrrrrrr> I thought what was in the Trojan horse was............Monero
03:27:02 <gingeropolous> heh. i wonder if we shoudl brainstorm ways to piggyback on bitcoins network if indeed monero has to use it as a literal trojan horse of sorts
03:27:22 <gingeropolous> like, if the hammer comes down and somehow the monero network comes under attack
03:28:33 <niocbrrrrrr> merge mining :D
03:28:57 <needmoney90> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mMwdnigO/image.png
03:28:57 <needmoney90> lol
03:29:20 <needmoney90> I asked him for money before he asked me
03:31:39 <niocbrrrrrr> Well your name is needmoney
04:55:27 <Mumuks[m]> <sethsimmons "He’s beyond hope sadly"> Traders and people heavily invested will not tell the truth, they will just repeat the same pitch
04:56:06 <Mumuks[m]> Remember there is a lot of people who bought at 15k, at 17k, even at 20k. They want their money back.
04:57:29 <Mumuks[m]> And they can not say openly to others that they should back so he gets his money back and then some, he has to wrap himself on an aura of caring for the world, for others, bla bla bla...
04:58:11 <Mumuks[m]> And some of them even believe their own lies over time, because, except pure psychopaths, nodoby likes being the bad guy
04:58:46 <Mumuks[m]> *...that they should buy so he gets his money back and...
04:59:19 <Mumuks[m]> That's why you can not argue with some people.
05:00:05 <Mumuks[m]> To be honest, the settlement layer community is sad to see now. It has been for a while, but now is more obvious and it is only going to get worse
05:11:56 <lza_menace> needmoney90, that's obnoxious af...."hey there, ___ here from _____. great news, we can list you.      There will be a fee for this."
05:12:08 <lza_menace> .scam
05:12:08 <monerobux> http://i.imgflip.com/is8.jpg
05:43:18 <needmoney90> lza_menace: the fun part is once youve seen the template enough times and pretending like they should be paying you :p
05:44:51 <needmoney90> They usually don't open with 'pay me', so you get a freebie message or two before they ask
05:45:34 <needmoney90> He asked me pointedly saying 'what, you've never paid any exchanges for listing?'
05:45:39 <needmoney90> Which I thought was hilarious
05:45:59 <needmoney90> And I assured him that no, we don't roll like that
07:25:10 <midipoet> what crypto news sites do people use these days? are there actually any engaging/interesting ones?
07:36:33 <dixie__flatline[> <sethsimmons "Getting mad at someone for doing"> exactly.
07:46:26 <Inge-> sethsimmons: did you get a screenshot of the andreas tweet? seems gone ..
07:51:36 <needmoney90> Inge-: it's still up for me
07:52:01 <needmoney90> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nwPMlsUS/Screenshot_20200730-005153_Chrome.jpg
07:52:10 <needmoney90> For your viewing pleasure.
07:52:52 <fluffypony> lol needmoney90
07:53:13 <fluffypony> when they contact me about exchange listings my new response is "sure, you can list Monero, our standard fee is $50 000 to list it. Would you like to pay in BTC?"
07:53:21 <fluffypony> they're *very* confused when they get that
07:53:33 <needmoney90> It's the best role reversal
07:53:39 <needmoney90> 'wait no we want money'
07:53:49 <needmoney90> 'why would we pay you? Pay me!'
07:57:30 <Inge-> sethsimmons: thanks! heh, on my phone I cant get to the shopping cart on his store
10:19:37 <Inge-> is there an easy guide to getting XMR integrated with btcpayserver? If not, maybe sethsimmons can ask Andreas to detail his setup :D
11:26:27 <sethsimmons> I may ask and see if he had any issues or would like more clarification in docs. TBH I haven't ever used BTCPay so no idea how complex/easy it was to enable Monero support.
13:22:18 <sgp_> here's the deal folks, CLSAG audit info is coming out tomorrow. cool stuff
13:22:41 <sgp_> however, if we want CLSAG to have a logo, it needs to happen today so it can make it into the blog posts
13:23:34 <sgp_> my impression is that the logo should convey speed. up to the designer if they want it to be more fun or professional
13:23:39 <sarang> The blog post is finished and I'm making the PR, but won't push it until the release time that's being coordinated with OSTIF; that time is tomorrow (Friday) at 16:00 UTC
13:24:09 <sarang> This is so both we and OSTIF can release the report simultaneously to be consistent
13:29:34 <sgp_> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/i0m1vh/design_the_clsag_logo_24_hours/?
13:29:34 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Design the CLSAG logo (<24 hours!) (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by SamsungGalaxyPlayer | Created at 2020-07-30 - 13:29:25
13:32:20 <sarang> :D
13:44:03 <fluffypony> we need a Monero comedian who can make jokes like "CLSAG? More like CLSAD amiright?" and then play laugh track
13:44:18 <thrmo> /thread
13:44:59 <sgp_> lmao
13:45:31 <sgp_> fluffypony: please record a ~5-10 second video saying that and I'll upload to YT
13:45:41 <fluffypony> LOL
13:48:13 <sarang> Be sure to record in front of a solid green background for maximal fun
13:50:23 <fluffypony> you need someone with a Tony Danza voice to do it
13:51:48 <sarang> I finished the logo: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OthNCbuh/clsag.png
13:52:00 <sarang> If nobody submits a better one, that's what will go in the PR
13:54:12 <sgp_> hahaha did you post on Reddit?
13:54:35 <sethsimmons> Oh god
13:54:37 <sethsimmons> Don’t make me whip out MS Paint
13:54:48 <sarang> I have not posted on reddit yet
13:54:51 <sarang> But post it I shall
13:55:08 <sgp_> 😂
13:55:41 <sgp_> I need to set some context for this, but sarang and I were chatting about humorous ways we could advertise CLSAG
13:56:19 <sgp_> sarang found some Veridian Dynamics videos from Better Off Ted, which led to me watching the entire series. Here are some of the best ones:
13:56:23 <sgp_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeYBqhdmDrc
13:56:24 <monerobux> [ Mistakes - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
13:56:29 <sgp_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFzndri1xPo
13:56:30 <monerobux> [ Veridian Dynamics: Friendship Commerical - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
13:56:49 <sarang> <3 Better Off Ted <3
13:57:12 <jwinterm> let me know when I win so I can give you my address for payout https://sketch.io/render/sk-b5d23f07eea56b7fde30910cbacf5876.jpeg
13:57:34 <sgp_> so we joked about a similar video with "CLSAG: you can't prove that it isn't a game changer"
13:57:44 <jwinterm> doesn't really capture the "fast" part, but I was going more for the "sag" aspect
13:57:50 <sgp_> lol
14:09:00 <sgp_> jwinterm: share on Reddit plz
14:27:09 <ErCiccione> reddit mods please unlock: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/i0mpk2/getmoneroorg_updated_massive_performance/
14:27:10 <ErCiccione> apparently automod hates me
14:27:10 <monerobux> [REDDIT] GetMonero.org updated: Massive performance improvements, greatly improved SEO, new "Blog" menu, removed all javascript and more! (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-07-30 - 14:11:13
14:28:15 <fluffypony> approved
14:28:42 <ErCiccione> Thank you sir
14:29:47 <dsc_> nice one
14:29:47 <sethsimmons> Damn good work ErCiccione
14:30:09 <sethsimmons> Thats a huge increase in performance/decrease in size!
14:30:29 <sethsimmons> Is there an onion site for getmonero.org?
14:30:51 <ErCiccione> Thanks. The idea of shrinking images in the home was sarang's, i just applied it.
14:31:03 <ErCiccione> no onion site yet, waiting for pigeons to deploy it
14:32:05 <ErCiccione> but yeah a lot of nice improvements. Especially the fixed sitemap, that has been broken for something like 2 years? Now browsers have correct page links to indicize
14:32:39 <sethsimmons> <ErCiccione "no onion site yet, waiting for p"> Sweet, definitely share/post when that's live, and lets be sure we have the Onion Location header set for getmonero.org to allow easy redirects to Tor: https://community.torproject.org/onion-services/advanced/onion-location/
14:33:48 <ErCiccione> will surely do. A series of PRs i made to adapt the website to the eventual deployment as onion service have already been merged
14:34:15 <ErCiccione> but beside, i will look that up
14:34:45 <sethsimmons> should be an easy add to the nginx/apache conf
14:35:48 <ErCiccione> Looks like we can simply add a meta tag to the header
14:36:26 <sethsimmons> Yeah pretty simple, but makes it obvious when a user is browsing getmonero.org with Tor browser that they can switch to the native onion site
14:36:31 <sethsimmons> Easy on our end and good for Tor users :)
14:37:19 <ErCiccione> yep. I don't know if pigeons is already considering that, will ping him. Thanks for the heads up :)
14:38:08 <sethsimmons> np, thanks for all your hard work there! BTW, planning on using a bunch of my paternity leave coming up to get familiar with monero-site contributing, trying to help out with docs/guides/etc
14:38:18 <sethsimmons> Will probably have a good bit of questions in the next month or so :)
14:38:48 <ErCiccione> That sounds great and congratulations!
14:39:00 <ErCiccione> no problem, feel free to ping me
14:42:43 <sethsimmons> Thanks!
15:35:35 <xmrscott[m]> midipoet: Honestly just use Twitter and r/cc sadly because how bad writers tend to be in the space. Sarang or MRL might be able to recommend some by nature of being well read
15:37:23 <sarang> xmrscott[m]: recommend some what?
15:39:20 <xmrscott[m]> <midipoet "what crypto news sites do people"> sarang: ^
15:39:37 <sarang> Oof, tough one
15:39:50 <midipoet> what was the one that had a cool site design?
15:40:00 <midipoet> blockbuster or something like that
15:40:15 <sarang> The big ones are useful to know what stories arise, but they often have some major technical shortcomings
15:40:29 <midipoet> xmrscott[m]: i am sure you recommended it, but it then closed down (sadly). they used to have long form pieces
15:52:50 <sgp_> New Reddit submission https://imgur.com/gallery/fLavlOy
15:56:56 <dsc_> https://i.imgur.com/KRES75l.png
15:59:05 <Mumuks[m]> I like the first two, sarang andjwinterm , you guys are very talented
15:59:33 <sgp_> dsc_: are those from Fiverr?
15:59:54 <sgp_> I love the random shirts lol
15:59:59 <dsc_> lol
16:00:00 <selsta> these look AI generated
16:00:29 <dsc_> they are AI generated but I had some input: https://i.imgur.com/WfsxqTZ.png
16:10:02 <midipoet> i keep thinking it's actually mysogynist: C-SLAG
16:26:20 <jwinterm> how is slag misogynist?
16:26:39 <jwinterm> in my mind slag is just the carbon rich shit that floats to the top of liquid steel
16:26:45 <jwinterm> .dict slag
16:26:46 <monerobux> slag — noun: 1. waste material from a coal mine, 2. scum that forms on the surface of molten metal — verb: 1. (trans.) to produce slag, 2. (intr.) to become slag; to agglomerate when heated below the fusion point
16:27:44 <xmrpow> I know it is a little bit off topic but ;) Does anyone off you use something like ubuntu touch or postmarketos as your daily driver?
16:28:51 <jwinterm> does windows 10 on a touchscreen laptop count?
16:32:27 <xmrpow> jwinterm: Hmmm... I was more thinking of pure linux on phone experience ;)
16:33:42 <jwinterm> no but I want to order pinephone just to play with it
16:37:36 <xmrpow> jwinterm: If im getting it right  there are no working alternatives out there? And the ones that are existing are very alpha.
16:38:13 <jwinterm> I know of purism xmrpow
16:38:19 <jwinterm> but generally haven't heard good things about them
16:39:05 <jwinterm> pinephone is like $100 so if it sucks oh well
16:39:12 <jwinterm> purism is like $1000 and apparently it sucks
16:39:27 <xmrpow> purism is damn expensive.
16:40:08 <xmrpow> And one guy there who quit told about a lot of ugly things happening at purism.
16:41:16 <jwinterm> I read a couple reviews and it seems like the battery sucks and the phone/apps experience leaves a lot to be desired
16:41:26 <sgp_> That CTO (I think) interview was a good read
16:41:36 <sgp_> ex-CTO
16:55:25 <fluffypony> they haven't even hit Dagwood on it yet, tho, right?
16:55:36 <fluffypony> so any experiences on the 5 are still very much alpha
16:56:39 <sarang> So when should the release name/height be chosen?
16:57:08 <sarang> The blog post for CLSAG lists the upgrade as happening "in October" but doesn't have a name obviously
16:59:46 <sgp_> We can add the actual date
16:59:51 <sgp_> But name TBD
17:02:31 <niocbrrrrrr> .w ogma
17:02:33 <monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] Ogma | "Ogma  (modern spelling: Oghma) is a god from Irish and Scottish mythology. A member of the Tuatha Dé Danann, he is often considered a deity and may be related to the Gallic god Ogmios. According to the Ogam Tract, he is the inventor of Ogham, the script in which Irish Gaelic was first written...." | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogma
17:04:29 <sarang> ?
17:04:33 <sarang> Celestial object?
17:05:43 <niocbrrrrrr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_149026
17:05:43 <monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] HD 149026 | "HD 149026, also named Ogma , is a yellow subgiant star approximately 250 light-years from the Sun in the constellation of Hercules.  An extrasolar planet (designated HD 149026 b, later named Smertrios) is believed to orbit the star...."
17:06:07 <niocbrrrrrr> not many Os to choose from
17:06:40 <jwinterm> obvs Orion
17:06:51 <jwinterm> Oort cloud
17:07:00 <jwinterm> Oxygen Oort has nice ring to it
17:07:19 <niocbrrrrrr> duh
17:08:12 <niocbrrrrrr> jwinterm if you find it please return my brain
17:08:15 <niocbrrrrrr> yhx
17:08:19 <niocbrrrrrr> I miss it
17:09:11 <jwinterm> think I may have seen it in the oort cloud
17:10:02 <niocbrrrrrr> it seems to have the organization of the oort cloud
17:11:36 <xmrpow> Which mobile os would you prefer from a privacy perspective? Android or ios?
17:11:36 <xmrpow> fluffypony: If I can remember correctly you have been saying that  privacy on ios is better than android.
17:11:57 <fluffypony> it's gotten extremely good over the last couple of years for sure
17:12:10 <fluffypony> and it's easy to configure it in a way that it sends very little data to Apple, if any
17:12:25 <fluffypony> (except for notary checks on apps, for eg.)
17:13:04 <xmrpow> fluffypony: I kind of dont like their locked down ecosystem and their adapter mania ;)
17:13:25 <xmrpow> fluffypony: Isnt that possible with android too?
17:13:56 <fluffypony> yes there's lots you can do with Android, but I think it comes down to philosophy
17:13:59 <cassact[m]1> <xmrpow "fluffypony: If I can remember co"> Android, but only if you are willing to invest a lot of time and effort into it.
17:14:49 <cassact[m]1> iOS has better privacy out of the box and with minimal tweaks
17:15:10 <xmrpow> So more privacy by default ;)
17:16:59 <xmrpow> cassact: What do you mean by investing a lot of time? Is it just about editing some system configs or would I have to dig deeper?
17:17:35 <cassact[m]1> More then that, Custom Roms like replicant
17:17:44 <cassact[m]1> Rooting
17:17:47 <xmrpow> ok
17:17:52 <hyc> rooting would be the most direct path
17:18:19 <hyc> root, then install AFwall and turn off network privs for majority of stuff
17:19:38 <hyc> it's also a good way to block majority of ads, ad providers
17:19:44 <cassact[m]1> Right, and it can get real finicky depending on what apps you want and what you’re threat model is
17:21:16 <xmrpow> I have never tried to root a phone. Is it difficult?
17:21:24 <cassact[m]1> IMO unless you’re willing to hot swap SIM cards your privacy is fucked just by using a cellphone
17:21:28 <hyc> depends on how new the phone is
17:21:48 <hyc> there are one-click auto-root apps for older phones, the newest phones haven't been broken yet
17:22:04 <xmrpow> you mean sth like king root?
17:22:08 <hyc> yeah
17:22:53 <hyc> these days, the steps required to root a phone are about the same steps required to install a custom ROM
17:23:00 <cassact[m]1> Yes, IMO Its harder then installing Ubuntu but easier then using command line
17:23:08 <hyc> figure out how to unlock bootloader, then inject su binary, etc
17:23:32 <cassact[m]1> (Depending on phone model yeah
17:25:39 <cassact[m]1> But yeah, budget 30-40 minutes into searching “how do I root x”
17:26:28 <cassact[m]1> And you should get a sense of whether or not it’s within your capacity
17:26:53 <hyc> hang out on forum.xda-developers.com
17:27:06 <hyc> it all gets hashed out there
17:29:04 <xmrpow> Isnt there a threat by using these kind of apps?
17:29:04 <xmrpow> For me it sounds like Android could be compared to getting privacy with btc...
17:29:50 <hyc> I pretty much never use those apps. the manual steps are on xda forum
17:30:54 <xmrpow> hyc: Thank you im going to have a look at it.
17:31:28 <hyc> fun fact: when satoshi was inventing bitcoin, I was developing Android ROMs...
17:31:42 <xmrpow> cassact: So if i can use linux command line there should no problem?
17:32:03 <xmrpow> hyc: Could you recommend some roms that are taking care of privacy?
17:32:22 <hyc> whatever cyanogenmod calls itself these days
17:33:07 <hyc> LineageOS
17:33:26 <cassact[m]1> <xmrpow "For me it sounds like Android co"> Kind of yes. You can get privacy, but it’s not easy and it’s ultimately not as good as privacy by default. The problem is IOS is not like monero. It’s more like a gift card you buy with cash?
17:34:03 <cassact[m]1> Or maybe more like privacy.com debit cards?
17:34:26 <hyc> thing is, once you root android, you are capable of configuring much stronger privacy
17:34:32 <hyc> with iOS you get what you get
17:34:58 <hyc> you get what Apple chooses to give you, nothing more
17:35:21 <cassact[m]1> <xmrpow "cassact: So if i can use linux c"> If you can use command line you are computer savvy enough to figure out how to root android ya
17:36:32 <cassact[m]1> <hyc "you get what Apple chooses to gi"> Yup. Defaults are better with iOS tho.
17:37:25 <xmrpow> hyc: true, does lineageos already takes care of some privacy aspects or would I have to configure additional things.
17:37:34 <xmrpow> ?
17:37:45 <hyc> ... by default, lineage leaks less info to google
17:37:53 <hyc> but aside from that, I don't think much difference
17:38:11 <hyc> so yes, you should configure additional stuff. Install AFwall, set it appropriately to firewall your apps
17:42:24 <xmrpow> What do you think about fairphone? They do have a lot of support from all the third party os.
17:44:54 <xmrpow> Im not sure if it is just an overpriced phone that just makes you feel better about the environment.
17:48:51 <xmrpow> hyc: I think if my phone is not on the supported device list lineage os wont be worth a try?
18:16:36 <hyc> maybe not, but if your phone is popular enough there may be other hackers who ported lineage to it anyway, unofficially
18:25:16 <needmoney90> sgp_: I'm so sad better off Ted didn't get any more seasons
18:25:20 <needmoney90> It was brilliant
18:25:28 <sgp_> I rate it 8/10
18:25:46 <sgp_> too much focus on the characters' love lives
18:28:41 <needmoney90> True
18:30:35 <thrmo> have you looked into graphene os hyc?
18:30:37 <hyc> ah I loved that series
18:30:45 <hyc> thrmo: nope
18:31:03 <thrmo> I guess it might be your cup of tea
18:32:09 <sgp_> I should wear this to my next social event when those are socially acceptable and safe: https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Better-Off-Ted-Veridian-Dynamics-Friendship-It-s-the-Same-As-Stealing-TV-Quote-design-by-CruelCotton/35407815.6IBXU.XYZ
21:02:29 <scoobybejesus> +1 on better off ted
21:09:45 <sgp_> lots of love here for a forgotten show
21:30:03 <xmrscott[m]> "xmrpow" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_xmrpow:matrix.org): Honestly would avoid any Android-related ecosystem (e.g. /e/ if you can). At the end of the day you'd still be feeding the beast as it were via dev in Android Studio, etc.
21:30:48 <xmrscott[m]> Better to make a clean break and support Linux app dev via libhandy, kirigami2 frameworks, etc etc
21:32:59 <xmrscott[m]> Also 100% gurantee of 0 leaks to Google et al :)
21:34:25 <dsc_> xmrscott[m]: regarding Monero GUI @ purism
21:34:44 <dsc_> is that still a wish
21:34:45 <xmrscott[m]> Not to mention a lot of the base apps/experience would be the same. Have Debian on your PC? Use Mobian and feel at home, etc
21:34:54 <dsc_> @ librem*
21:35:02 <xmrscott[m]> "dsc_" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_dsc_:matrix.org): As far as I know
21:36:23 <xmrscott[m]> "dsc_" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_dsc_:matrix.org): FWIW I have an order w/ Pinephone August batch. This weekend should finish experimenting basic Flatpak packaging w/ kirigami2 for my own app and will move on to writing the Kirigami QML based on the specs outlined some 2 months ago
21:36:35 <xmrscott[m]> (for a Monero wallet)
21:37:03 <xmrscott[m]> *still combatting carpal tunnel ATM so progress has been slower than I would like
21:37:07 <dsc_> You're in the process of creating a Monero wallet that runs on pinephone?
21:37:35 <asymptotically> shouldn't the normal monero-gui wallet run on a pinephone?
21:37:55 <xmrscott[m]> Not the C++ logic, god no. Just the UI part of it that can be patched into the existing logic bits
21:38:28 <xmrscott[m]> TMK the base Qt framework isn't adaptive/condusive to mobile, hence why Kirigami2 exists
21:38:55 <dsc_> ok we might need to go into PM
21:38:58 <dsc_> :dd
21:41:00 <selsta> asymptotically: yes, but the screen might be too small
21:41:17 <selsta> monero-gui does not have a mobile UI currently
21:42:49 <xmrscott[m]> "asymptotically" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_asymptotically:matrix.org): Also, gui is not necessarily friendly
21:43:04 <selsta> also we don’t offer ARM builds currently
21:43:18 <dsc_> yeah both pine and librem are ARM
21:43:34 <xmrscott[m]> In that for example the community(?) repo for monero-gui for Arch has to be launched from cli
21:43:59 <selsta> ?
21:44:48 <selsta> that’s up to arch on how they package the GUI, we bundle a shortcut to launch from file explorer
21:45:41 <dsc_> selsta: our .AppImage is funny
21:45:48 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, works now, wasn't working in the last major point release but seems to now
21:46:05 <xmrscott[m]> I had been using CLI out of force of habit
21:46:25 <xmrscott[m]> Anywho, most app stores in theory might use Flatpak
21:46:38 <xmrscott[m]> Purism for sure will be
21:47:33 <dsc_> (unrelated story) On Tails, when people download an executable, say; monero-wallet-gui, users wont be able to double click it because it is not marked as executable. They'd have to open a terminal and `chmod +x` it. Now this is very hard for some people so I looked into ways around that.
21:47:37 <xmrscott[m]> Not sure about distros are envisioning app management for Pinephone (e.g. Mobian, Arch Mobile ARM ('unofficial'))
21:47:55 <dsc_> Turns out, when you create a file called "bla.AppImage" which has a bash shebang, it will happily execute it.
21:48:01 * xmrscott[m] notes brb
21:48:20 <asymptotically> hopefully mobian uses apt+dpkg and arch mobile uses pacman :D
21:48:21 <dsc_> so the GUI packages a .appimage which in fact, is not an appimage
21:48:34 <dsc_> so at CCC I went to the tails people to complain
21:48:34 <selsta> :D
21:48:47 <dsc_> and they said I should go to the debian people to complain
21:48:50 <dsc_> lo
21:48:52 <dsc_> l
21:49:13 <dsc_> xmrscott[m]: pm sent
21:51:48 <selsta> linux mint apparently does not like the .appimage hack
21:52:01 <selsta> every distro is different
21:52:10 <dsc_> oh, interesting
21:52:59 <selsta> but yea they should complain to their file manager / distro if they can’t open an executable lol
21:53:02 <selsta> even macos can do this
21:53:36 <dsc_> does tar.bz2 retain file permissions inside the archive?
21:53:41 <dsc_> maybe thats actually the problem
21:53:49 <selsta> yes they do
21:54:00 <dsc_> maybe just ship `monero-wallet-gui` as chmod +x
21:54:04 <selsta> we do that
21:54:08 <dsc_> ah ok, yeap
21:54:22 <asymptotically> i think you need to pass -p when you extract it
21:54:22 <dsc_> then its weird that Tails would allow arbitrary .appimage's to execute
21:54:56 <selsta> hmmm
21:55:09 <xmrscott[m]> Hmm, should make for an interesting potential bounty if anyone here does that kind of thing
22:16:19 <Lovera[m]> <dsc_ "(unrelated story) On Tails, when"> No, you don't need to do a chmod +. There is a .appimage and you just need yo do a double click
22:18:55 <dsc_> Lovera[m]: how did that .appimage get there?
22:19:16 <dsc_> (trick question)
22:27:39 <Lovera[m]> <dsc_ "Lovera: how did that .appimage g"> I can't exactly understand what you mean. But the .appimage is in the file you downloaded. You don't need to do "extra work". Download the GUI monero Wallet, right click, extract, double click in .appimage
22:27:52 <Lovera[m]> I just again checked it
22:28:09 <dsc_> Lovera[m]: Yes, I put it there, I work on the GUI
22:28:36 <dsc_> my story was about how .appimage was a hack I discovered for tails :P
22:29:45 <Lovera[m]> <dsc_ "my story was about how .appimage"> Ahhh ok ok 😅
22:31:13 <Lovera[m]> <dsc_ "my story was about how .appimage"> Sorry my mistake 😅😅😅
23:11:31 <xmrscott[m]>  * Not sure about how distros are envisioning app management for Pinephone (e.g. Mobian, Arch Mobile ARM ('unofficial')) as I don't have a Pinephone in hand until late August to hack around on