Reminder that rehrar is running the coffee chat in 30 minutes

Please contact him to join

Reminder that I'm doing that.

where's the link for that?

Not up yet.

I think I made a YT link

sgp_: don't have access. :(

to everyone else, I have the link now

who's coffe-chatting?

ok, but are you sharing it, rehrar ? :)

yes

meh, I'll just share it here

we'll see what kind of shenanigans we can get to

meet.jit.si/coffeechat

hyc rdymac ^

cool

someone join up so it's not just me :P

needbrrrrrrr90

xmrscott[m]:

rehrar: Trying to sort out defcon and this being at the same time :S

we'll just do both

woot

can't do, i haz small brain

o.o

Checkout the video of the GUI and remote monerod over the Locha Mesh twitter.com/Locha_io/status/1276930442030133248?s=20

nice

once again the monero community takes a suggestion and runs with it

rdymac: That's cool! What's needed for a user to sync the Monero blockchain on the Locha mesh network?

lots more bandwidth :P

😛

I meant hardware-wise

you can keep it synced, hyc , but from scratch would take too much time

I think wallet-daemon is a more realistic use case for now

so, as far as you open it daily, you will be able to have the wallet synced

but it would be nice to have this integrated with amateur radio, packet radio networks

that's way more slower than the Locha Mesh

for long distance

correct

ErCiccione[m], a user would need to have a Locha Mesh Turpial device or compatible DIY version of it

the current speed is at ~200 kbps

nice. last I checked, packet radio was like 9600baud

the idea of the Locha Mesh is to have enough devices in cities to create a network capable of relaying messages and data without having to rely on the traditional Internet infrastructure

yes, but it will be a long time before we have enough adoption to do that

still wondering why you wouldn't just use these protocols on broadcast wifi

channels too crowded? using 802.11 radios has the advantage of everyone already owning them

if you want a mesh network to work as an alternative to the traditional infra, as you said you need it to be capable of communicating kilometers-distances in the early days when there will not be enough density

WiFi can only do a few meters distances on regular routers and hardware

the Turpial device is a portable, battery powered, hotspot that gives you access to the Locha Mesh for messaging, offline-signed txs, and if you plug it to a PC you can use your GUI wallet, use SSH to access another computer, or sync latest blocks ~1-2 km away, and get further through hops

ok, so it's a portable router

makes sense

yes, it is the smallest device you could run the firmwares on, but you can use bigger and more powerful hardware

a shame that it requires another physical gadget. that will hinder adoption

for example, you could have it plugged to a PC, with a bigger antenna and power amplifier so you can reach 50-70 km distances with it, offer services, get paid over RPC-Pay...

yeah, that's a disadvantage, but the other hardware is not meant to be used for mesh networking, so using them for that makes them inefficient

e.g. most house routers for mesh networking would be cool, and it is already done by other projects, because it could give you ~100 mbps, but only up to 9 meters away, if you put a wall, it would be even less

rdymac: Got it. When is the turpial device expected to be avialable for sale?

9 meters (WiFi) or 60 m (Bluetooth) for a disaster hit country, private and resilient communications, and/or repressive regimes would be a joke

yeah makes sense

ErCiccione[m], at the current pace we expect to have a production ready design of the hardware by the end of 2020

it obviously will depend on being able to continue working non-stop until then

thanks to the CCS crowdfund and some pre-orders, we've been able to continue working

manufacturing will be in China? I wonder if the world will be back onto normal shipping schedules by then

That's sooner than i expected. Good.

we'll most probably start in Spain or Czechia, we'll need a lot of pre-orders to be able to manufacture in China

yeah hyc, that's one of the reasons we'll made it in Europe and probably the US. We managed to got the 0.1.1 revision right before the lockdown took place everywhere

and only bc we ordered it in Spain, all the other factories stopped completely a couple weeks later

with the factories opening again soon, and shipping getting back to normal, it should be ok. Covid1984 is not going anywhere though, prohibition of encryption, more controlled and surveillance, contacts tracing... we all will need the Locha Mesh to be able to use XMR privately and securely very soon

Covid1984. That's a new one.

hmmm. need something like bittorrent credit system, rpc-pay is too monero-specific

otherwise everything will fall apart due to tragedy of commons

telco providers sustain their infrastructure by charging subscriber fees

Rehrar I drifted in and out of sleep during meeting

mesh has no such facility.

Was reading Three Body Problem book three until 5...

hyc: "hmmm. need something like bittorrent credit system, rpc-pay is too monero-specific" what do you mean?

to pay for services you'll be able to use BTC, Lightning Network, XMR, RPC-Pay; and as the Locha Mesh has full IPv6 support, you'll be able to connect to regular websites too in case you want to use your Zelle to pay :sweat_smile:

I mean, everyone provides a mesh node out of the goodness of their heart

in bittorrent, every node has a download/upload ratio

to prevent leechers from totally abusing the network

in the case of the mesh you need to have your mesh node on to relay messages for others, so if you want to use it you'd need to be useful for others too

the incentive part is one of the most difficult things right after the adoption

RPC-Pay is one of the new things we've been looking at for the incentivation part