16:25:33 Reminder that rehrar is running the coffee chat in 30 minutes 16:25:39 Please contact him to join 16:28:25 Reminder that I'm doing that. 16:29:28 where's the link for that? 16:30:33 Not up yet. 16:33:26 I think I made a YT link 16:33:58 https://youtu.be/1A3BWlaRKC8 16:46:40 sgp_: don't have access. :( 16:46:47 to everyone else, I have the link now 16:50:35 who's coffe-chatting? 16:50:43 ok, but are you sharing it, rehrar ? :) 16:51:50 yes 16:52:04 meh, I'll just share it here 16:52:09 we'll see what kind of shenanigans we can get to 16:52:14 meet.jit.si/coffeechat 16:52:18 hyc rdymac ^ 16:53:36 cool 16:55:08 someone join up so it's not just me :P 16:55:12 needbrrrrrrr90 16:55:13 xmrscott[m]: 16:56:07 rehrar: Trying to sort out defcon and this being at the same time :S 16:56:17 we'll just do both 16:56:20 woot 16:57:16 can't do, i haz small brain 17:16:54 o.o 17:31:04 Checkout the video of the GUI and remote monerod over the Locha Mesh https://twitter.com/Locha_io/status/1276930442030133248?s=20 17:41:28 nice 17:42:10 once again the monero community takes a suggestion and runs with it 17:46:29 rdymac: That's cool! What's needed for a user to sync the Monero blockchain on the Locha mesh network? 17:46:49 lots more bandwidth :P 17:47:34 😛 17:47:45 I meant hardware-wise 17:47:55 you can keep it synced, hyc , but from scratch would take too much time 17:49:23 I think wallet-daemon is a more realistic use case for now 17:49:29 so, as far as you open it daily, you will be able to have the wallet synced 17:49:59 but it would be nice to have this integrated with amateur radio, packet radio networks 17:50:29 that's way more slower than the Locha Mesh 17:50:33 for long distance 17:50:38 correct 17:51:15 ErCiccione[m], a user would need to have a Locha Mesh Turpial device or compatible DIY version of it 17:51:31 the current speed is at ~200 kbps 17:51:50 nice. last I checked, packet radio was like 9600baud 17:55:56 the idea of the Locha Mesh is to have enough devices in cities to create a network capable of relaying messages and data without having to rely on the traditional Internet infrastructure 17:57:09 yes, but it will be a long time before we have enough adoption to do that 17:57:55 still wondering why you wouldn't just use these protocols on broadcast wifi 17:58:31 channels too crowded? using 802.11 radios has the advantage of everyone already owning them 18:01:37 if you want a mesh network to work as an alternative to the traditional infra, as you said you need it to be capable of communicating kilometers-distances in the early days when there will not be enough density 18:01:57 WiFi can only do a few meters distances on regular routers and hardware 18:04:33 the Turpial device is a portable, battery powered, hotspot that gives you access to the Locha Mesh for messaging, offline-signed txs, and if you plug it to a PC you can use your GUI wallet, use SSH to access another computer, or sync latest blocks ~1-2 km away, and get further through hops 18:04:56 ok, so it's a portable router 18:05:00 makes sense 18:05:55 yes, it is the smallest device you could run the firmwares on, but you can use bigger and more powerful hardware 18:06:45 a shame that it requires another physical gadget. that will hinder adoption 18:06:47 for example, you could have it plugged to a PC, with a bigger antenna and power amplifier so you can reach 50-70 km distances with it, offer services, get paid over RPC-Pay... 18:08:00 yeah, that's a disadvantage, but the other hardware is not meant to be used for mesh networking, so using them for that makes them inefficient 18:09:21 e.g. most house routers for mesh networking would be cool, and it is already done by other projects, because it could give you ~100 mbps, but only up to 9 meters away, if you put a wall, it would be even less 18:10:31 rdymac: Got it. When is the turpial device expected to be avialable for sale? 18:11:02 9 meters (WiFi) or 60 m (Bluetooth) for a disaster hit country, private and resilient communications, and/or repressive regimes would be a joke 18:13:33 yeah makes sense 18:13:38 ErCiccione[m], at the current pace we expect to have a production ready design of the hardware by the end of 2020 18:14:18 it obviously will depend on being able to continue working non-stop until then 18:15:00 thanks to the CCS crowdfund and some pre-orders, we've been able to continue working 18:15:11 manufacturing will be in China? I wonder if the world will be back onto normal shipping schedules by then 18:16:11 That's sooner than i expected. Good. 18:16:20 we'll most probably start in Spain or Czechia, we'll need a lot of pre-orders to be able to manufacture in China 18:18:08 yeah hyc, that's one of the reasons we'll made it in Europe and probably the US. We managed to got the 0.1.1 revision right before the lockdown took place everywhere 18:18:45 and only bc we ordered it in Spain, all the other factories stopped completely a couple weeks later 18:21:28 with the factories opening again soon, and shipping getting back to normal, it should be ok. Covid1984 is not going anywhere though, prohibition of encryption, more controlled and surveillance, contacts tracing... we all will need the Locha Mesh to be able to use XMR privately and securely very soon 18:35:48 Covid1984. That's a new one. 18:44:27 hmmm. need something like bittorrent credit system, rpc-pay is too monero-specific 18:44:45 otherwise everything will fall apart due to tragedy of commons 18:45:08 telco providers sustain their infrastructure by charging subscriber fees 18:45:40 Rehrar I drifted in and out of sleep during meeting 18:45:42 mesh has no such facility. 18:45:53 Was reading Three Body Problem book three until 5... 18:51:47 hyc: "hmmm. need something like bittorrent credit system, rpc-pay is too monero-specific" what do you mean? 18:54:00 to pay for services you'll be able to use BTC, Lightning Network, XMR, RPC-Pay; and as the Locha Mesh has full IPv6 support, you'll be able to connect to regular websites too in case you want to use your Zelle to pay :sweat_smile: 19:02:09 I mean, everyone provides a mesh node out of the goodness of their heart 19:02:33 in bittorrent, every node has a download/upload ratio 19:02:44 to prevent leechers from totally abusing the network 19:14:54 in the case of the mesh you need to have your mesh node on to relay messages for others, so if you want to use it you'd need to be useful for others too 19:15:15 the incentive part is one of the most difficult things right after the adoption 19:16:01 RPC-Pay is one of the new things we've been looking at for the incentivation part