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sgp_
Meeting in 2.5 hours
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sgp_
Meeting in 15
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» needbrrrrrrr90 blinks slowly
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needbrrrrrrr90
So tired
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needbrrrrrrr90
Slept at 4
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xmrscott[m]
Sames
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xmrscott[m]
Wooo financial fraud calls
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sgp_
lol nice :/
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sgp_
0. Introduction
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needbrrrrrrr90
If I end up afk just ping me repeatedly and my phone will buzz
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endogenic
o hi
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sgp_
We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
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needbrrrrrrr90
And I'll wake up
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binaryFate
hello
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endogenic
needbrrrrrrr90:
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sgp_
Link to agenda on GitHub:
monero-project/meta #475
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needbrrrrrrr90
Hi!
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sgp_
Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
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sgp_
1. Greetings
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needbrrrrrrr90
Sup
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sarang
Hello
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xmrscott[m]
Osu~
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endogenic
osssssu
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needbrrrrrrr90
Missed the last two meetings because I overslept and 10am is too early
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needbrrrrrrr90
Glad to be here :D
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rehrar
hi
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needbrrrrrrr90
Osu is great
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needbrrrrrrr90
Everyone dead :(
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endogenic
ossu
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needbrrrrrrr90
Should we ping
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midipoet
hello
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endogenic
needbrrrrrrr90:
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sgp_
thanks everyone for being here!
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sgp_
2. Community highlights
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sgp_
See Monero weekly highlights at
revuo-monero.com
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sgp_
Check out resources at
communityworkgroup.org. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders.
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sgp_
asymptotically was an absolute champ and uploaded meeting logs for the past 6+ months to the getmonero.org website!
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endogenic
this is my monero weekly highlight <3
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sgp_
ErCiccione, fort3hlulz, xmrhaelan, geonic, wowario, and others have been sharing information about Monero with the #DidYouKnowMonero hashtag. Please participate if you are on Twitter
twitter.com/search?q=%23DidYouKnowMonero
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sgp_
Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
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rehrar
question regarding that. This week there wasn't much news. :( anybody have news to share?
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rehrar
Revuo for this past week not out yet. I'll put it out now. But there was only one news item (Iranian exchange)
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msvb-web
Hello everyone.
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needbrrrrrrr90
Hey Michael
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rehrar
so we did draw a Monero fox to compensate, but if anyone had another news item please let me know
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ajs-mob
hi
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sgp_
rehrar: when will your Mainnet talk be public?
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rehrar
OH! Yeah! It is public, no?
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rehrar
or was the link I sent unlisted?
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sgp_
the link you sent me was unlisted
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rehrar
oof, then idk
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sgp_
did they get back to you on formatting?
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rehrar
no. I emailed. No response.
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rehrar
I'll email again.
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binaryFate
rehrar: website got netlify, maybe worth a news
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ErCiccione[m]
Sorry i'm late but i'm here
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rehrar
binaryFate: so any changes made are automatically pushed?
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binaryFate
no, but when people make a PR, a version of the website with that PR is automatically built
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sgp_
rehrar: is the CLSAG audit being funded already represented?
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binaryFate
and linked from PR on github
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needbrrrrrrr90
That's neat
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rehrar
I haven't in the past used a proposal being funded as a news item, but I guess I can
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binaryFate
ErCiccione[m] knows details and took care of most of the netlify stuff
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rehrar
cool
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rehrar
ok
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sgp_
haha idk, just trying to offer suggestions
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rehrar
want to see the fox?
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fort3hlulz
Netlify helps with docs updates, since we'll get to see a build with it correct?
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sgp_
this workgroup has a Twitter, maybe shill that
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rehrar
it's cute
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sgp_
yeah of course
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fort3hlulz
Rehrar it would be great to share about the twitter campaign in there too IMO
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rehrar
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sarang
aww
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sgp_
that's soooooooo cute!
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fort3hlulz
Hahaha
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midipoet
remind me of Mozilla. Maybe that's the idea though
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fort3hlulz
Well done
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sgp_
I want a shirt
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binaryFate
cuty
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sgp_
and a blanket
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ErCiccione[m]
I can give a quick update about what netlify is later when it's time to give updates about the website
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sgp_
ErCiccione[m]: ty :)
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fort3hlulz
Could you also post about it in Reddit @erciccione?
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netrik182[m]
hi sgp_. sorry for being late
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ErCiccione[m]
Does it worth to make a dedicated post? i was thinking of including it in my usual monthly (more or less) update
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sgp_
I agree with that mostly
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sgp_
anything else on this section?
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sgp_
4. Workgroup report
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sgp_
is selsta here?
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sgp_
a. Daemon/CLI/GUI workgroup
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selsta
yep for a short update at least
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sgp_
sweet :)
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selsta
we are preparing v0.16.0.1 with small bug fixes
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selsta
also mooo managed to fix a super rare bug that has existed for ages
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selsta
(difficulty drift bug)
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rehrar
moneromooo is kinda bae
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selsta
apart from that nothing major
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sgp_
I accidentally skipped the CCS section, so that will be after the workgroup updates
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msvb-lab
rehrar: What is 'bae'?
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rehrar
slang for 'baby'. It means he's awesome.
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sgp_
thanks selsta
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sgp_
b. Localization workgroup
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ErCiccione[m]
We have a lot of suggested strings on Weblate that need to be reviewed. So basically if you can, go on
translate.getmonero.org and review the strigns people suggested
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ErCiccione[m]
It's only a matter of giving an upvote of a downvote
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ErCiccione[m]
it's a pity to see so many suggestions and lack of reviewers
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fort3hlulz
Do you normally need English reviews?
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ErCiccione[m]
some languages are compltely translated (for example norwegian), but need a reviewer to
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fort3hlulz
Or only other translations?
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ErCiccione[m]
Only other languages. If we want to change english strings we have to do it directly on the repo, whatever it is
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fort3hlulz
Ah, ok.
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ErCiccione[m]
forgot to complete the sentence earlier: "we need a reviewer to confirm and review the translations"
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ErCiccione[m]
if anybody needs help, support or have question, #monero-translations is the place to go
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ErCiccione[m]
That's it. Review review review :)
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sgp_
c. Website workgroup
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sgp_
keep going :p
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ErCiccione[m]
:P
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ErCiccione[m]
so, as binaryfate said, now we have a netlify integration
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ErCiccione[m]
which means that once a PR is opened, Netlify will build it and show a preview of how the website will look like
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ErCiccione[m]
then a bot will comment under the PR with a link to the preview
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ErCiccione[m]
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sarang
What are the "neutral checks" on the CI?
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ErCiccione[m]
I think that's supr useful because allow peopel to immediately see how the changes will look like and will allow people without a build environment for the website to have an overview of the changes
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fort3hlulz
That's pretty awesome!
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fort3hlulz
Super important to get more docs/site contributions.
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fort3hlulz
Now I need to actually dig into the docs...
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ErCiccione[m]
sarang: neutral checks?
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sarang
The CI shows some checks labeled "neutral"
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ErCiccione[m]
fort3hlulz: yes that was my main goal: getting more people to take a look at the website repo :)
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sarang
Header rules, etc.
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ErCiccione[m]
ooh, ok, i don't see the neutral, but those are just some netlify standard checks. I deactivated most of them to have a superquick buld (2-3 minutes) and we don't need them anyway
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sarang
Got it
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ErCiccione[m]
What we car about it's mostly only the preview
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ErCiccione[m]
*care
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ErCiccione[m]
can be optimized a bit, especially because we have limited build time (300 minutes)
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ErCiccione[m]
so we can remove builds for stuff we don't care about, like the readme
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ErCiccione[m]
i will look into it in the future. For now it's working exactly as it should
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fort3hlulz
Per month? Or what period?
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binaryFate
we could ask if they want to be listed as sponsor for giving us higher tier for free. That seems pretty useful and they would get some good noise from monero people on twitter etc
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ErCiccione[m]
per month, yes
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fort3hlulz
Good idea @binaryFate
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ErCiccione[m]
binaryFate: that's a good idea
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fort3hlulz
Or if not, we could do a CCS for it, would expect it to be funded.
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sarang
What would the cost be?
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ErCiccione[m]
yeah, the next tired is supercheap anyway
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ErCiccione[m]
looking that up
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binaryFate
45$/month
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selsta
$7/500 minutes build minutes
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ErCiccione[m]
not supercheap but not expensive: $45 a month
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rehrar
Ok. I'll contact then.
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selsta
we don’t need the next tier if we only use it for deploy
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ErCiccione[m]
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selsta
for preview*
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rehrar
selsta but we can have it!!!
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ErCiccione[m]
A "pro" plan would also allow us to add people to the team. It's not supr important, but would allow me to have aces to the settings
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binaryFate
right now we're good for ~100 PR / month
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binaryFate
probably ok?
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selsta
Seems okay for now.
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ErCiccione[m]
yeah calculated at the time and we should be good, with even some extra time
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ErCiccione[m]
iiirc we should be able to manage double the PR volume we currently have
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sgp_
cool
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sgp_
anything else?
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sgp_
I don't think anyone is here from the outreach workgroup, so we can skip that section
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sgp_
e. Monero Research Lab
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ErCiccione[m]
Since we are at it, i want to remind that the PR which changes the homepage is still open and waiting for reviews
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ErCiccione[m]
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ErCiccione[m]
i will force push it to trigger the netlify preview
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ErCiccione[m]
that's it
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sgp_
thanks :)
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sgp_
sarang, do you have a quick update?
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sarang
I did a bunch of analysis work on transaction history, transaction types, and spend patterns in support of output selection updates
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sarang
and have been updating the CLSAG preprint in response to audit draft results
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sarang
We can use the results of the analysis work to better influence future decisions on building transactions safely
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sgp_
let's get those coinbase-only rings :p
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sarang
The analysis suggests that coinbase spend patterns (in terms of age) don't differ from non-coinbase, which is an interesting and somewhat unexpected result
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sarang
I also know that Isthmus and friends have been working on their post-quantum research
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sarang
but I don't want to speak for them
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sgp_
thanks, anything else?
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sarang
Nothing major that isn't boring math =p
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sgp_
f. Monero Defcon Village
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sgp_
msvb-lab
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msvb-lab
Hello, thanks sgp.
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msvb-lab
Those of us who have attended all the Monero Village (at #monero-defcon channel) meetings, can please decide if you want special privileges on the Defon Discord server.
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msvb-lab
If you do, please:
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msvb-lab
#1 Create a Discord account, #2 Navigate
discord.gg/defcon, #3 Find me 'Michael' on the 'linecon' channel of the Defcon Discord server. #4 Say hello to me, please.
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msvb-lab
That helps me find your unique ID, and that is what Defcon Goons need to secure your place in the Monero Village channel of the Defcon Discord server.
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rehrar
Ok. I will do that. Thanks.
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msvb-lab
Any questions about that?
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sgp_
He is Michael#7293
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sgp_
no questions
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msvb-lab
sgp: Michael#7293 is a clonable id, any imposter can take that. The real ID requires green magic to obtain, and is 18 numbers long.
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msvb-lab
Okay, just please all village staff who want privileges try to help by doing this in the next days. I'll try to pay attention in EU timezones to the channel.
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sgp_
any other Defcon updates?
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msvb-lab
Or find out your real 18 digit ID and send me email michael⊙go
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msvb-lab
sgp: Only updates about the intervillage electronic badge, but it takes too long to report.
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msvb-lab
So it might be best to go to the next agenda topic sgp? Or no?
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sgp_
only things that are relevant for a community meeting I guess. Defcon has its own meetings too obviously
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sgp_
okay, moving on then
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sgp_
3. CCS updates
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sgp_
The CLSAG Audit funds transfer to OSTIF has occurred without unforeseen issues. OSTIF converted ~172 XMR to USD. The excess XMR were donated to the Monero General Fund.
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sgp_
Funding required:
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sgp_
Sarang: research funding for 2020 Q3 (487.73 / 518 XMR)
ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q3.html
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sgp_
Defcon equipment storage for one year (6 / 13 XMR)
ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/defcon-storage.html
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sgp_
Ideas (to be discussed):
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sgp_
ErCiccione: 3 more months part time work on Getmonero.org (July-Sept) (132 XMR)
repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/153
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sgp_
approved, next :p
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ErCiccione[m]
😛 I'm here for any question
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sgp_
people have 5 seconds to add an objection, else I'm assuming unanimous approval
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rehrar
Ye
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sgp_
ok, done with CCS stuff
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sgp_
5. Open ideas time
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sgp_
It’s open ideas time. What’s something we should be doing better?
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ErCiccione[m]
Superquickly before the next point, i forgot to post the link to my reddit post with the recent updates to the website:
reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/h86mof…oneroorg_updated_1_new_user_guide_1
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monerobux
[REDDIT] GetMonero.org updated: 1 new user guide, 1 Moneropedia entry and 1 user guide rewritten, 1 new FAQ, 'Reasonably' removed from the header and more (self.Monero) | 42 points (95.0%) | 12 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-06-13 - 12:28:45
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midipoet
ErCiccione[m]: just curious, what does "triaging" mean in the context of websites? I only have ever heard it being used in the field of medicine...
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msvb-lab
Not really an open idea, but I'm still confused if there is a migration plan from Gitlab, Github, standalone, cloud, or back and forth.
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sgp_
most stuff will stay on Github
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sarang
Sounds like CCS stuff is intending to stay on GitLab
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sgp_
the CCS stuff will stay on gitlab
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ErCiccione[m]
midipoet: It means that when an issue is open, i assign it a label and determine how important it is (to define how quick we need to work on it)
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midipoet
ErCiccione[m]: makes sense. Thanks
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msvb-lab
sgp sarang: Shoulnd't we add Bitbucket and maybe get a fourth or fifth server so we don't seem too consistent?
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msvb-lab
That was a joke.
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ErCiccione[m]
midipoet: it's a fancy ways to say "i keep track of what issues are open and what we have to do with them" :)
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midipoet
ErCiccione[m]: i always approve of a bit of fancyness here and there
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ErCiccione[m]
😛
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xmrscott[m]
As a treat
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sgp_
looks like not many people had fancy ideas, and that's time :)
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sgp_
6. Confirm next meeting date/time
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sgp_
The community meeting on the 4th of July is CANCELLED. The next community meeting will be in 4 weeks on the 18th of July.
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sarang
Fancy idea: support key-based pushes on GitLab :D
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sarang
(I know this is apparently some cloudflare thing)
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sgp_
The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday 27 June at 17:00 UTC. Sadly, I will need to miss this one again. rehrar, can you moderate?
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msvb-lab
Great meeting sgp, thank you very much for moderating it.
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rehrar
Ye
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sarang
cheers
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sgp_
thank you, apologies everyone
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sgp_
Conclusion
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sgp_
That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.
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ArticMine
Thanks
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ErCiccione[m]
Thanks everybody
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binaryFate
thanks
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netrik182[m]
Thanks
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kinghat[m]
ErCiccione: does monero pay for weblate?
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ErCiccione[m]
Nope
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kinghat[m]
self-hosted or gratis plan?
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ErCiccione[m]
kinghat: self-hosted
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> The fox is incredible
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> Why is the next community meeting cancelled?
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msvb-lab
cankerwort: The meeting is cancelled because 14 July is the french national holiday, and we need a week of time to prepare for it.
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msvb-lab
Oh, there is the 4 July US national holiday as well, and 1 August in Hungary (I think?)
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> Oooh I guess certain dates are a big deal in some places
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rehrar
if I stream a thing will anyone hop on and be scared with me?
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rehrar
twitch.tv/rehrar
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rehrar
I play a scary game
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> rn?
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rehrar
ye
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> bad timing for me sorry, but I appreciate the spookiness
