14:30:22 <sgp_> Meeting in 2.5 hours
16:45:15 <sgp_> Meeting in 15
16:57:36 * needbrrrrrrr90 blinks slowly
16:57:39 <needbrrrrrrr90> So tired
16:57:47 <needbrrrrrrr90> Slept at 4
16:59:31 <xmrscott[m]> Sames
16:59:50 <xmrscott[m]> Wooo financial fraud calls
17:00:18 <sgp_> lol nice :/
17:00:27 <sgp_> 0. Introduction
17:00:31 <needbrrrrrrr90> If I end up afk just ping me repeatedly and my phone will buzz
17:00:32 <endogenic> o hi
17:00:34 <sgp_> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
17:00:36 <needbrrrrrrr90> And I'll wake up
17:00:37 <binaryFate> hello
17:00:39 <endogenic> needbrrrrrrr90:
17:00:39 <sgp_> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/475
17:00:41 <needbrrrrrrr90> Hi!
17:00:45 <sgp_> Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
17:00:50 <sgp_> 1. Greetings
17:01:14 <needbrrrrrrr90> Sup
17:01:15 <sarang> Hello
17:01:17 <xmrscott[m]> Osu~
17:01:21 <endogenic> osssssu
17:01:53 <needbrrrrrrr90> Missed the last two meetings because I overslept and 10am is too early
17:01:57 <needbrrrrrrr90> Glad to be here :D
17:02:04 <rehrar> hi
17:02:05 <needbrrrrrrr90> Osu is great
17:02:46 <needbrrrrrrr90> Everyone dead :(
17:02:46 <endogenic> ossu
17:02:49 <needbrrrrrrr90> Should we ping
17:02:52 <midipoet> hello
17:02:53 <endogenic> needbrrrrrrr90:
17:02:57 <sgp_> thanks everyone for being here!
17:03:07 <sgp_> 2. Community highlights
17:03:13 <sgp_> See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
17:03:18 <sgp_> Check out resources at https://communityworkgroup.org. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders.
17:03:25 <sgp_> asymptotically was an absolute champ and uploaded meeting logs for the past 6+ months to the getmonero.org website!
17:03:29 <endogenic> this is my monero weekly highlight <3
17:03:34 <sgp_> ErCiccione, fort3hlulz, xmrhaelan, geonic, wowario, and others have been sharing information about Monero with the #DidYouKnowMonero hashtag. Please participate if you are on Twitter https://twitter.com/search?q=%23DidYouKnowMonero
17:03:42 <sgp_> Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
17:03:48 <rehrar> question regarding that. This week there wasn't much news. :( anybody have news to share?
17:04:07 <rehrar> Revuo for this past week not out yet. I'll put it out now. But there was only one news item (Iranian exchange)
17:04:14 <msvb-web> Hello everyone.
17:04:29 <needbrrrrrrr90> Hey Michael
17:04:30 <rehrar> so we did draw a Monero fox to compensate, but if anyone had another news item please let me know
17:04:34 <ajs-mob> hi
17:04:36 <sgp_> rehrar: when will your Mainnet talk be public?
17:04:49 <rehrar> OH! Yeah! It is public, no?
17:04:56 <rehrar> or was the link I sent unlisted?
17:05:02 <sgp_> the link you sent me was unlisted
17:05:07 <rehrar> oof, then idk
17:05:26 <sgp_> did they get back to you on formatting?
17:05:35 <rehrar> no. I emailed. No response.
17:05:38 <rehrar> I'll email again.
17:05:48 <binaryFate> rehrar: website got netlify, maybe worth a news
17:06:03 <ErCiccione[m]> Sorry i'm late but i'm here
17:06:24 <rehrar> binaryFate: so any changes made are automatically pushed?
17:06:48 <binaryFate> no, but when people make a PR, a version of the website with that PR is automatically built
17:06:52 <sgp_> rehrar: is the CLSAG audit being funded already represented?
17:06:54 <binaryFate> and linked from PR on github
17:07:29 <needbrrrrrrr90> That's neat
17:07:32 <rehrar> I haven't in the past used a proposal being funded as a news item, but I guess I can
17:07:33 <binaryFate> ErCiccione[m] knows details and took care of most of the netlify stuff
17:07:43 <rehrar> cool
17:08:07 <rehrar> ok
17:08:08 <sgp_> haha idk, just trying to offer suggestions
17:08:14 <rehrar> want to see the fox?
17:08:15 <fort3hlulz> Netlify helps with docs updates, since we'll get to see a build with it correct?
17:08:15 <sgp_> this workgroup has a Twitter, maybe shill that
17:08:15 <rehrar> it's cute
17:08:25 <sgp_> yeah of course
17:08:44 <fort3hlulz> Rehrar it would be great to share about the twitter campaign in there too IMO
17:08:47 <rehrar> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/07BIwpc4/monerofox-sticker.png
17:08:58 <sarang> aww
17:09:08 <sgp_> that's soooooooo cute!
17:09:10 <fort3hlulz> Hahaha
17:09:13 <midipoet> remind me of Mozilla. Maybe that's the idea though
17:09:14 <fort3hlulz> Well done
17:09:19 <sgp_> I want a shirt
17:09:19 <binaryFate> cuty
17:09:24 <sgp_> and a blanket
17:09:30 <ErCiccione[m]> I can give a quick update about what netlify is later when it's time to give updates about the website
17:09:40 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: ty :)
17:09:54 <fort3hlulz> Could you also post about it in Reddit @erciccione?
17:10:21 <netrik182[m]> hi sgp_. sorry for being late
17:10:24 <ErCiccione[m]> Does it worth to make a dedicated post? i was thinking of including it in my usual monthly (more or less) update
17:11:16 <sgp_> I agree with that mostly
17:12:06 <sgp_> anything else on this section?
17:12:51 <sgp_> 4. Workgroup report
17:12:55 <sgp_> is selsta here?
17:13:01 <sgp_> a. Daemon/CLI/GUI workgroup
17:13:04 <selsta> yep for a short update at least
17:13:12 <sgp_> sweet :)
17:13:19 <selsta> we are preparing v0.16.0.1 with small bug fixes
17:13:42 <selsta> also mooo managed to fix a super rare bug that has existed for ages
17:13:49 <selsta> (difficulty drift bug)
17:14:01 <rehrar> moneromooo is kinda bae
17:14:56 <selsta> apart from that nothing major
17:15:08 <sgp_> I accidentally skipped the CCS section, so that will be after the workgroup updates
17:15:42 <msvb-lab> rehrar: What is 'bae'?
17:16:11 <rehrar> slang for 'baby'. It means he's awesome.
17:16:56 <sgp_> thanks selsta
17:17:06 <sgp_> b. Localization workgroup
17:18:21 <ErCiccione[m]> We have a lot of suggested strings on Weblate that need to be reviewed. So basically if you can, go on https://translate.getmonero.org and review the strigns people suggested
17:18:35 <ErCiccione[m]> It's only a matter of giving an upvote of a downvote
17:18:47 <ErCiccione[m]> it's a pity to see so many suggestions and lack of reviewers
17:19:06 <fort3hlulz> Do you normally need English reviews?
17:19:10 <ErCiccione[m]> some languages  are compltely translated (for example norwegian), but need a reviewer to
17:19:15 <fort3hlulz> Or only other translations?
17:19:46 <ErCiccione[m]> Only other languages. If we want to change english strings we have to do it directly on the repo, whatever it is
17:19:59 <fort3hlulz> Ah, ok.
17:20:20 <ErCiccione[m]> forgot to complete the sentence earlier: "we need a reviewer to confirm and review the translations"
17:21:01 <ErCiccione[m]> if anybody needs help, support or have question, #monero-translations is the place to go
17:21:27 <ErCiccione[m]> That's it. Review review review :)
17:22:21 <sgp_> c. Website workgroup
17:22:23 <sgp_> keep going :p
17:22:33 <ErCiccione[m]> :P
17:22:53 <ErCiccione[m]> so, as binaryfate said, now we have a netlify integration
17:23:43 <ErCiccione[m]> which means that once a PR is opened, Netlify will build it and show a preview of how the website will look like
17:23:59 <ErCiccione[m]> then a bot will comment under the PR with a link to the preview
17:24:03 <ErCiccione[m]> you can see it working here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/1027
17:24:53 <sarang> What are the "neutral checks" on the CI?
17:24:54 <ErCiccione[m]> I think that's supr useful because allow peopel to immediately see how the changes will look like and will allow people without a build environment for the website to have an overview of the changes
17:24:56 <fort3hlulz> That's pretty awesome!
17:25:15 <fort3hlulz> Super important to get more docs/site contributions.
17:25:28 <fort3hlulz> Now I need to actually dig into the docs...
17:25:33 <ErCiccione[m]> sarang: neutral checks?
17:25:49 <sarang> The CI shows some checks labeled "neutral"
17:25:59 <ErCiccione[m]> fort3hlulz: yes that was my main goal: getting more people to take a look at the website repo :)
17:26:07 <sarang> Header rules, etc.
17:27:18 <ErCiccione[m]> ooh, ok, i don't see the neutral, but those are just some netlify standard checks. I deactivated most of them to have a superquick buld (2-3 minutes) and we don't need them anyway
17:27:29 <sarang> Got it
17:27:33 <ErCiccione[m]> What we car about it's mostly only the preview
17:27:42 <ErCiccione[m]> *care
17:28:12 <ErCiccione[m]> can be optimized a bit, especially because we have limited build time (300 minutes)
17:29:01 <ErCiccione[m]> so we can remove builds for stuff we don't care about, like the readme
17:29:05 <ErCiccione[m]> i will look into it in the future. For now it's working exactly as it should
17:29:05 <fort3hlulz> Per month? Or what period?
17:29:10 <binaryFate> we could ask if they want to be listed as sponsor for giving us higher tier for free. That seems pretty useful and they would get some good noise from monero people on twitter etc
17:29:11 <ErCiccione[m]> per month, yes
17:29:26 <fort3hlulz> Good idea @binaryFate
17:29:31 <ErCiccione[m]> binaryFate: that's a good idea
17:29:41 <fort3hlulz> Or if not, we could do a CCS for it, would expect it to be funded.
17:29:50 <sarang> What would the cost be?
17:30:03 <ErCiccione[m]> yeah, the next tired is supercheap anyway
17:30:06 <ErCiccione[m]> looking that up
17:30:31 <binaryFate> 45$/month
17:30:38 <selsta> $7/500 minutes build minutes
17:30:39 <ErCiccione[m]> not supercheap but not expensive: $45 a month
17:30:43 <rehrar> Ok. I'll contact then.
17:30:46 <selsta> we don’t need the next tier if we only use it for deploy
17:30:49 <ErCiccione[m]> https://www.netlify.com/pricing/
17:30:51 <selsta> for preview*
17:31:00 <rehrar> selsta but we can have it!!!
17:31:16 <ErCiccione[m]> A "pro" plan would also allow us to add people to the team. It's not supr important, but would allow me to have aces to the settings
17:31:28 <binaryFate> right now we're good for ~100 PR / month
17:31:32 <binaryFate> probably ok?
17:31:35 <selsta> Seems okay for now.
17:32:02 <ErCiccione[m]> yeah  calculated at the time and we should be good, with even some extra time
17:32:32 <ErCiccione[m]> iiirc we should be able to manage double the PR volume we currently have
17:34:14 <sgp_> cool
17:35:01 <sgp_> anything else?
17:35:23 <sgp_> I don't think anyone is here from the outreach workgroup, so we can skip that section
17:35:30 <sgp_> e. Monero Research Lab
17:35:31 <ErCiccione[m]> Since we are at it, i want to remind that the PR which changes the homepage is still open and waiting for reviews
17:35:57 <ErCiccione[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/948
17:36:03 <ErCiccione[m]> i will force push it to trigger the netlify preview
17:36:15 <ErCiccione[m]> that's it
17:36:31 <sgp_> thanks :)
17:36:36 <sgp_> sarang, do you have a quick update?
17:36:42 <sarang> I did a bunch of analysis work on transaction history, transaction types, and spend patterns in support of output selection updates
17:37:03 <sarang> and have been updating the CLSAG preprint in response to audit draft results
17:37:43 <sarang> We can use the results of the analysis work to better influence future decisions on building transactions safely
17:38:12 <sgp_> let's get those coinbase-only rings :p
17:38:38 <sarang> The analysis suggests that coinbase spend patterns (in terms of age) don't differ from non-coinbase, which is an interesting and somewhat unexpected result
17:39:23 <sarang> I also know that Isthmus and friends have been working on their post-quantum research
17:39:28 <sarang> but I don't want to speak for them
17:40:01 <sgp_> thanks, anything else?
17:40:12 <sarang> Nothing major that isn't boring math =p
17:40:17 <sgp_> f. Monero Defcon Village
17:40:25 <sgp_> msvb-lab
17:40:33 <msvb-lab> Hello, thanks sgp.
17:41:21 <msvb-lab> Those of us who have attended all the Monero Village (at #monero-defcon channel) meetings, can please decide if you want special privileges on the Defon Discord server.
17:41:35 <msvb-lab> If you do, please:
17:41:38 <msvb-lab>  #1 Create a Discord account, #2 Navigate https://discord.gg/defcon, #3 Find me 'Michael' on the 'linecon' channel of the Defcon Discord server. #4 Say hello to me, please.
17:42:01 <msvb-lab> That helps me find your unique ID, and that is what Defcon Goons need to secure your place in the Monero Village channel of the Defcon Discord server.
17:42:02 <rehrar> Ok. I will do that. Thanks.
17:42:06 <msvb-lab> Any questions about that?
17:42:16 <sgp_> He is Michael#7293
17:42:52 <sgp_> no questions
17:42:53 <msvb-lab> sgp: Michael#7293 is a clonable id, any imposter can take that. The real ID requires green magic to obtain, and is 18 numbers long.
17:43:40 <msvb-lab> Okay, just please all village staff who want privileges try to help by doing this in the next days. I'll try to pay attention in EU timezones to the channel.
17:43:46 <sgp_> any other Defcon updates?
17:43:52 <msvb-lab> Or find out your real 18 digit ID and send me email michael⊙go
17:44:15 <msvb-lab> sgp: Only updates about the intervillage electronic badge, but it takes too long to report.
17:44:28 <msvb-lab> So it might be best to go to the next agenda topic sgp? Or no?
17:45:08 <sgp_> only things that are relevant for a community meeting I guess. Defcon has its own meetings too obviously
17:46:20 <sgp_> okay, moving on then
17:46:33 <sgp_> 3. CCS updates
17:46:38 <sgp_> The CLSAG Audit funds transfer to OSTIF has occurred without unforeseen issues. OSTIF converted ~172 XMR to USD. The excess XMR were donated to the Monero General Fund.
17:46:45 <sgp_> Funding required:
17:46:50 <sgp_> Sarang: research funding for 2020 Q3 (487.73 / 518 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q3.html
17:46:55 <sgp_> Defcon equipment storage for one year (6 / 13 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/defcon-storage.html
17:47:02 <sgp_> Ideas (to be discussed):
17:47:08 <sgp_> ErCiccione: 3 more months part time work on Getmonero.org (July-Sept) (132 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/153
17:47:28 <sgp_> approved, next :p
17:47:58 <ErCiccione[m]> 😛 I'm here for any question
17:48:37 <sgp_> people have 5 seconds to add an objection, else I'm assuming unanimous approval
17:48:46 <rehrar> Ye
17:49:17 <sgp_> ok, done with CCS stuff
17:49:27 <sgp_> 5. Open ideas time
17:49:32 <sgp_> It’s open ideas time. What’s something we should be doing better?
17:50:17 <ErCiccione[m]> Superquickly before the next point, i forgot to post the link to my reddit post with the recent updates to the website: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/h86mof/getmoneroorg_updated_1_new_user_guide_1/
17:50:17 <monerobux> [REDDIT] GetMonero.org updated: 1 new user guide, 1 Moneropedia entry and 1 user guide rewritten, 1 new FAQ, 'Reasonably' removed from the header and more (self.Monero) | 42 points (95.0%) | 12 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-06-13 - 12:28:45
17:52:25 <midipoet> ErCiccione[m]: just curious, what does "triaging" mean in the context of websites? I only have ever heard it being used in the field of medicine...
17:52:34 <msvb-lab> Not really an open idea, but I'm still confused if there is a migration plan from Gitlab, Github, standalone, cloud, or back and forth.
17:53:12 <sgp_> most stuff will stay on Github
17:53:23 <sarang> Sounds like CCS stuff is intending to stay on GitLab
17:53:24 <sgp_> the CCS stuff will stay on gitlab
17:55:02 <ErCiccione[m]> midipoet: It means that when an issue is open, i assign it a label and determine how important it is (to define how quick we need to work on it)
17:55:54 <midipoet> ErCiccione[m]: makes sense. Thanks
17:56:21 <msvb-lab> sgp sarang: Shoulnd't we add Bitbucket and maybe get a fourth or fifth server so we don't seem too consistent?
17:56:25 <msvb-lab> That was a joke.
17:56:45 <ErCiccione[m]> midipoet: it's a fancy ways to say "i keep track of what issues are open and what we have to do with them" :)
17:58:12 <midipoet> ErCiccione[m]: i always approve of a bit of fancyness here and there
17:58:34 <ErCiccione[m]> 😛
17:58:34 <xmrscott[m]> As a treat
18:00:18 <sgp_> looks like not many people had fancy ideas, and that's time :)
18:00:29 <sgp_> 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
18:00:37 <sgp_> The community meeting on the 4th of July is CANCELLED. The next community meeting will be in 4 weeks on the 18th of July.
18:00:41 <sarang> Fancy idea: support key-based pushes on GitLab :D
18:00:49 <sarang> (I know this is apparently some cloudflare thing)
18:00:55 <sgp_> The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday 27 June at 17:00 UTC. Sadly, I will need to miss this one again. rehrar, can you moderate?
18:01:00 <msvb-lab> Great meeting sgp, thank you very much for moderating it.
18:01:04 <rehrar> Ye
18:01:06 <sarang> cheers
18:01:10 <sgp_> thank you, apologies everyone
18:01:16 <sgp_> Conclusion
18:01:23 <sgp_> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.
18:01:37 <ArticMine> Thanks
18:02:17 <ErCiccione[m]> Thanks everybody
18:03:22 <binaryFate> thanks
18:13:24 <netrik182[m]> Thanks
18:39:55 <kinghat[m]> ErCiccione: does monero pay for weblate?
18:42:06 <ErCiccione[m]> Nope
18:42:38 <kinghat[m]> self-hosted or gratis plan?
19:02:23 <ErCiccione[m]> kinghat:  self-hosted
20:46:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> The fox is incredible
20:48:41 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Why is the next community meeting cancelled?
20:52:01 <msvb-lab> cankerwort: The meeting is cancelled because 14 July is the french national holiday, and we need a week of time to prepare for it.
20:52:23 <msvb-lab> Oh, there is the 4 July US national holiday as well, and 1 August in Hungary (I think?)
20:53:37 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Oooh I guess certain dates are a big deal in some places
21:04:01 <rehrar> if I stream a thing will anyone hop on and be scared with me?
21:08:35 <rehrar> twitch.tv/rehrar
21:08:38 <rehrar> I play a scary game
21:10:22 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> rn?
21:10:33 <rehrar> ye
21:10:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> bad timing for me sorry, but I appreciate the spookiness