nice, that was my first choice

doesn't tie in directly to dandelions, but there's still an obscuring effect in nebulas

just look at Star Trek II - Wrath of Khan

maybe we should have called Danelion++ "Nebula Protocol"

I actually voted for Nemesis because of Star Trek TNG, but Nebula is probably less menacing

ah the classifier didn't make it

or whatever the N thing was

So anyone wanna work on Moneros CryptoTV?

I'm thinking about setting it up with Jibri and connecting it with a p2p file system like IPFS github.com/jitsi/jibri

The Moneropedia on Getmonero is more like a I2Pedia at the moment. A lot of entries are related to Kovri or I2P. I want to remove them, please read monero-project/monero-site #910#issuecomment-628562953 and comment if you have an opinion.

What about this IPLD? Could that be implemented instead? It's fast ipld.io

* What about this IPLD? Could that be implemented instead I2P? It's fast ipld.io

* What about this IPLD? Could that be implemented instead of I2P? It's fast ipld.io

I never heard of ipld, but there are many projects that could be integrated. The problem are: does it worth to implement it? and who is going to do it? Most of the people suggest to "integrate" this or that technology but nobody actually propose to practically do it or propose it

Well you said you are thinking about doing it and asked my opinion

Isn't I2P slow?

I asked an opinion about removing moneropedia entries from getmonero. How is that related to "What about this IPLD? Could that be implemented instead of I2P?"?

Yes, I gave you an opinion.

IPFS is an anonymous censorship-resistant, peer to peer communication layer just like I2P

<sgp_> looks like Nitrogen Nebula will take it <= When should we close the poll and announce the winner?

this tari this has me confused... will this digital asset thing essentially be able to replace Bisq as an exchange?

thing^

if it really is a decentralized unsupervised exchange of any digital asset, what's to keep it from getting filled with child porn

Yeah that is a problem. I just checked out this one promising Youtube alternative today and there was rough anal sex on the front page under "new videos"

wasn't that project a scam?

Which project?

I assume you mean bit.tube

I don't know if I want to tell you. This is kinda valuable information if you're thinking about creating a better site.

hm? I'm just wondering what's up with Tari

and if it will actually be a replacement to Bisq

"creating a better site"

Bisq used to give me stability issues but I guess it might be okay to use now

has anyone tried it on a linux system lately?

There is certainly like some kind of secure video streaming platform boom going on now right now.

* There is certainly like some kind of secure video streaming platform boom going on right now.

*he's not actually talking to me is he*

BMO-noire: Tari is still in development for a while, too early to tell what will be possible with it.

okay, that explains the vague things I see, then

thank ya

I can no longer compile monerod. It fails at around 46% with C++ errors. Can anyone assist?

paste and share your error messages, someone will probably be able to help: paste.debian.net

oofa: which OS?

1) Nitrogen Nebula, 2) Nitrogen Nova, 3) Nitrogen Neptune, 4) Nitrogen Nemesis

poll is now closed

sgp_: You can't close now. My voting bot is not ready yet.

too bad

:D

I think my votes was 4,1,2 and 3.

sgp_: Do you want to announce the result?

nah :p

Now on to the next naming, with Oxygen

Perhaps go with Omicron, as in Omicron Persei 8 from Futurama

Omicron has my vote this fall

hurray, i'm glad that the bestest name won

Hi folks here is the build failure that I am seeing: paste.debian.net/1146754

needbrrrrrrr90: problem is that they rewrote the code in Go

so it is more difficult to prove that they are violating the license

There's clear large swaths of code that are lifted straight up, like comments

It's very clear imo where it came from.

right, it is obvious that it’s not a clean room implementation

Which means a strike claim is valid

Just point to one of the thousands of comments

selsta: they copied most of the comments literally, which proves the derivation of their code

That's my point, the strike claim is undeniable

that's sufficient grounds for copyright infringement

replacing our license with their own is a clear breach of license

> but some developers who hold different views have left (including me).

so he is not a developer?

If they want to pretend they're totally new, throw the book at them

They can't get our tech and pretend they're novel, that's scamming noobs

Leave the license in or get the book thrown at you imo

Cite your sources, we did enough damn work on it

exactly

So, who do we talk to to sic (pun intended) github on them

the medium link in that post has been shutdown

this medium.com/@mmbbcc88/code-will-not-…-be-mainstream-project-9c936d5e198e

Hmmm

Any archives?

does anyone know why monerod isn't compiling when it reaches C++ that uses _1 and _2?

oofa: which OS?

your GCC compiler might be too old

slackware linux pre-15, so it's new software

gcc version 9.3.0

should be ok

master branch?

which boost version?

i tried master branch as well as the recommended tag

boost-1.73.0

yes, I think that’s too new

someone else also had problems with boost 1.4

1.73*

1.72 works

needbrrrrrrr90: maybe would be good to open an issue on their github, but that project looks dead anyway

oh OK I'll downgrade thanks

BTW what is the recommended way to mine Monero these days? I have a Core i5 laptop.

ErCiccione[m]: dead on gh or not, the coins still circulate. A missing gh project could motivate some to not buy.

I think it’s best to ignore them, have made the mistake to argue with them on Twitter in the past

they are irrelevant small anyway

Can't we just report to gh

And be done

No arguing with them needed

find code that you can prove is copied

and then the original author of the code has to write a DMCA

and most likely they don’t care

Just search for references to Monero in their code lol

yeah i think i understimated it. I thought was dead, but it actually have some market volume.I'm more pissed because they don't give credits

There's thousands

They didn't even bother to replace instances of Monero with dero

where's their repo?

If that's not a smoking gun...

hyc: github.com/deroproject/derosuite

let's open a scary issue

Just report it

you can’t just report something

having "monero" in the code is not reportable

like I said, the original author of the code has to write a DMCA

(like hyc did once with sumokoin)

yeah and they would create another repo anyway

he clearly mentioned the affected lines of code

do we have a paper trail showing we have contacted the project themselves already to fix this?

e.g. it was clear in the randomx repo that they copied it 1 to 1

but tevador didn’t care (which is ok)

April 20th in -PoW you guys discussed this

yep

Around noon

but tevador would have to write a DMCA and he does not want to

so there is nothing we can report

it seems they don't use their randomX port anyway

yep

what components have they copied from? ringct, bulletproofs?

prob the MRL guys would have the standing to file a DMCA complaint

moneromooo is the author of the code and he sure isn’t going to write a DMCA

well if he's not, then that's the end of the matter

only actual authors/owners of the code can file a complaint

The bulletproof code seems to be a relatively 1-1 translation of Monero code to Go

in terms of structure, function names, etc.

Including comment structure that I wrote

I don't know what this implies in terms of license, though

well if you want to dmca them :D I thought moneromooo wrote the bp code from your pseudo code

license and copyright are separate but related

first, you establish that you are original author of piece of code. the fact you'e not credited means your copyright has been violated

mooo used my original java code to write the BP implementation

and I made some updates after that

a few different times

as owner of the code, you're the only one allowed to decide what license applies to it

so when they changed the license, they violated your rights again, as well as violating the original license

Again, I didn't write the vast majority of the Monero C++ BP implementation; mooo did

But I would be extremely surprised if the Dero implementation was not a 1-1 translation

given the comments, function names, structure, etc.

the fact that you wrote any of it is sufficient, if mooo isn't going to do anything

if mooo basically just translated your java code to C++, then you're still the original author, and the C++ is a derivative work

mooo does credit me in the C++ implementation

ok, that's good

and I personally have no issues with the Java -> C++ translation that mooo did, of course

you can first open an issue, point out code / comments that you are the original author of and ask them to add your copyright

adding his copyright isn't sufficient, since they changed the license and have no authority to do so

yep, only their code is allowed to be under the research license

but certainly, opening an issue is the first step

why it's important who created the actual code? isn't everything related to who hold the license, so "the monero project"? I don't know much about licensing. I'mhonestly curious

TBH I'm not really interested in opening myself up to likely harassment by pushing this issue to them

"the monero project" isn't an actual organization, will never have legal representatives in a law suit

and I don't personally have an issue with another project using the structure of the code, which was a fairly direct translation of the math from the original BP preprint

sarang: FWIW I have argued with someone on Twitter once and they have harassed / spammed we for weeks so that I had block everyone

me*

if you're not interested in asserting your copyright, then again, end of story

got it

most of the code I've written in the monero source tree, I've left out my own copyright claims, so it just says Monero Project

the major exception is the bundled copy of LMDB source

I generally don't assert copyright in my code, but have a repo-wide license (GPL IIRC)

and I'd be fine with public domain to the extent possible

The thing with Dero is that they claim they are the original author and they also change the license to a restrictive "view only" license

so that other projects are not allowed to use it

but US copyright law doesn't require you to register copyrights for them to be valid, so it's still sufficient to prove authorship via git commit history

you still automatically own anything you wrote...

How does this apply to language translations?

translations are derivative works

it’s like translating a book

original owner is still the owner

you don’t suddenly become the original author

It appears that Dero has a few different BP approaches that could be considered novel (I am not a lawyer)

yes, I saw that. naturally you can't claim ownership of anything they actually wrote themselves

But FWIW I am just asking out of curiosity; I have no interest in being part of a copyright kerfuffle

My code was a translation of the math, etc.

I don't see this as much of a controversy. you can clearly identify comments you wrote, code structure that you defined

Fair enough. But it sounds like this could lead to harassment and other irritation that I would prefer to avoid

if they want to pull the license out from under you, they should be forced to do a total cleanroom rewrite

taking open source code and claiming it as your own and denying others the right to use it is BS and should not be tolerated

and the fact that Dero appears to have translated from mooo's code (and not my Java code) seems a bit of an additional stretch

I get that hyc, but I also don't want to be targeted for this

and I realize that this should also be considered unacceptable, but it is what it is

oh well

needbrrrrrrr90: webcache.googleusercontent.com/sear…36d5e198e+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

For when there's no Archive, Google cache (or something similar). :)

Assuming they lifted the translations as well, I can always file a DMCA against the translated part of it

(If no one who's done the C++, QML, etc is interested in filing)

Assuming I have that right. Not sure I would qualify as an owner of the code

Cache is being a bit spazzy, will show article and then the error code. Here's what a snap of it looks like. If people really want to I can see if there's a clever way to pause the DOM or something before it goes to the error code

(to get the full article text)

Copy of article found here: deroscam.tumblr.com

Archive taken of tumblr, found here: web.archive.org/web/20200514193732/https://deroscam.tumblr.com

* Just took archive taken of tumblr, found here: web.archive.org/web/20200514193732/https://deroscam.tumblr.com

* Just took archive of tumblr, found here: web.archive.org/web/20200514193732/https://deroscam.tumblr.com

cool

they seem to have a lot more problems than just DMCA issues

someone really ought to do a DMCA takedown and put them out of their misery

they'll just keep using their self-hosted git

hm. maybe. can also serve a DMCA notice to their hosting provider or ISP

Then take it to their server host or domain registar /shrug

worldstream.nl for their private git host

anyway, none of this is my code, so I'll shut up

Is it really worth the trouble?

reading thru that tumblr site, anybody who watches the garbage the Dero guys have pulled and still puts their money on it deserves to lose it

"2. The Dero project suddenly announced that the Atlantis version will continue to support ASIC. It is wrong to resist ASIC. Most people in the community have collapsed, and those who bought the CPU are in a bad mood. What is even more unacceptable is that because the Dero project has always passed that Dero will resist ASIC, the price of Dero has been rising, and the sudden announcement of support for ASIC has caused the price of Dero to fall from 3 to 0.5

I can't find any localization doing basic grepping of derosuite / gui wallet that I'd have a claim with, unless I've missed the files somehow

this project is dishonest from square 1. lying about origin of code, lying about ASIC resistance

For me at least, it's relatively little trouble / time. I have a legal firm on retainer service that costs a flat $20 /month. If I can use it to benefit the Monero project by getting scams taken down, that's value returned on my subscription

However, no localization from what I can tell, so none of my contributions have been violated

How about an own Social Media platform for the Monero community? Hydra is now open-source. addthis.com/blog/2014/01/23/hydra-is-now-open-source

Hydra seems more like a SIEM than a SNS. If one wanted a social media platform that's FOSS and self owned, you could always host a private Mastodon instance

Yeah that was my original option actually until I started looking at Hydra. I heard this Pleroma is like "a more efficient Mastodon" git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma

Hmm, yes looks like it has a less complex stack. Instance count is about 1/4 of Mastodon based, but they interop. Will have to see if any of the Mastodon communities I engage with have a Pleroma instance...

It's really new. Also the backend is built with built with Elixir and Phoenix instead of Ruby on Rails pleroma.social

* It's really new. Also the backend is built with Elixir and Phoenix instead of Ruby on Rails pleroma.social