ill read your book mr. saladbar. probably not right away but eventually.

kinghat[m]: do you have the URL and stuff? If not message me.

And let me know which one since I have several.

I plan on selling them for Monero once they're ready.

<xmrhaelan> Rehrar and BinaryFate pinging you on wire

<cankerwort> I'll pay Monero for a novel

meeting in 1 hour

When is the meeting again?

51 minutes

Meeting time!

0. Introduction

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We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!

Link to agenda on GitHub: monero-project/meta #457

Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.

1. Greetings

Hello.

random guy runs a community meeting

Osu~

hi

<deedledea> hi!

binaryFate: lmao

hi

2. Community highlights

See Monero weekly highlights at revuo-monero.com

Check out resources at communityworkgroup.org. We can use this page to more easily organize Monero Community Workgroup resources going forward. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders.

Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?

3. CCS updates

Funding required:

Monero Debian Package Repository for 2 years (42.54 / 73 XMR) ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/adrelanos-debian-package.html

xiphon part-time coding (3 months) (69.09 / 371 XMR) ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/adrelanos-debian-package.html

Ideas (to be discussed):

Translation of Mastering Monero into Brazilian Portuguese (37 XMR) repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/137

Note: I have a financial interest in Mastering Monero

profiteering

reeee

I proposed translating Mastering Monero if anyone has questions

There was a reddit post as well: old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/g3…al_to_translate_mastering_monero_is

thanks for being here netrik182. they helped us a TON with the subtitles for Monero Means Money

does it have any other language translations?

hi

I don't think so

how different are portuguese vs. brazilian? Is there strong value in having a brazilian specific version? I didn't see mention of that in the proposal

Almost no difference really

Inge-: there's a Chinese translation zh.masteringmonero.com and a partially reviewed Russian translation

so it's going to be easy and comfortable to read for portuguese people as well?

Spanish would be great too

But as Brazilian I would do so called Brazilian Portuguese instead of European, so to speak

"so to speak" hehe, I get it

Not a problem at all binaryFate

Most of the online content in portuguese is written by brazilians

but everyone can read it

oki thanks

think of Britain vs USA English

it's the same

Any other questions or feedback?

ok, second one

Compilation time reduction and housekeeping (52 XMR) repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/138

you need to click on "changes" to see the text

I believe this would help with the issues Endogenic highlighted at Konferenco

Thus, I'd like to see it

Thusly

ossssssu

Proposal looks interesting but I didn't follow the -dev discussions about it, anybody knows?

A note on the CCS proposals, the Norwegian one was merged and it's not showing. I tried to fix and it's still not showing. Working that out.

binaryFate: I don't see a dev discussion in the past week

mmm I thought I had skeemed through some mentions of this

i think i last talked in -dev with the compile time speedup guy, so if you grep your logs for me it should come up :D

any comments on this otherwise?

messy logs of the discussion irccloud.com/pastebin/73V4aGO4/logs

we can move on. please comment in gitlab. looking at you devs :)

4. Workgroup report

a. Daemon/CLI workgroup

luigi merged a bunch of things, including dandelion++

does anyone else have an update here? else we can move to b

is ErCiccione[m] here?

<cankerwort> when next release?

rehrar: do you know when the next dev meeting is?

tomorrow?

<cankerwort> dandelion++ for the masses

ErCiccione was not feeling well during the week so probably not here

sgp_: whenever we want it to be. People had voiced that dev meetings should be kind of before releases and stuff, but if we wanted to set one up then we can.

rehrar: ok, keep me updated so I can update the calendar

cankerwort: unfortunately I don't really have a good update

if ErCiccione isn't here, we can move on to c

c. GUI workgroup

selsta any update?

we are preparing for the next update

no big updates otherwise

thanks

is sarang here?

We can move on to 5. Open ideas time

19:12 <sgp_> Compilation time reduction and housekeeping (52 XMR) repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/138 <-- I think mooo and others should agree first if they want this

selsta: yeah

Pi/Rock node is currently looking for WEb UI folk: reddit.com/r/pinode/comments/fuwryy…_updated_full_node_for_single_board

Does anyone have topics to discuss? It's been a long time since the last open ideas time

(This is the monero-ecosystem/pinode-XMR project)

xmrscott[m]: cool :)

Namely, they want to build a Web dashboard from scratch to shed a bunch of extra weight they inherited from basically pulling a cookie cutter

Moneroversary debrief: so far this year’s main livestream has 1,025 and 255.5 hours of watch time. Last year’s Moneroversary main livestream has 1,337 views and 440 hours of watch time. Like last year, not many people are watching the events afterwards.

*1,025 views

Since the community feedback on a Chatwoot service by the Core Team seemed mostly negative, I plan on making my own which I hope to integrate in as many Monero accounts/pages/etc as possible

This is a chat support service that I think could benefit newcomers and those with questions

It will allow us to learn more clearly what the pain points are so we can fix them

summary of negative feedback?

<deedledea> pain points of newcomers?

And I will make a series of trainings that people can use to get up to speed to be able to answer questions

deedledea: yes

binaryFate: people didn't want it embedded on the getmonero site, people were concerned about legal stuff, and people were pessimistic that the tool should be used over other support services like StackExchange and reading the docs

ok so more about the location itself

I'm heavily considering making this my own thing, so any feedback on how to do this best is welcome :)

what other projects are people thinking of? we need people to take on fun projects and get stuff done

there were some discussions about revamping getmonero.org home-page to be more beginner-friendly

netrik182: oh yes, let me find that github issue/PR

I recommended another card that has icons for the following: 1) private for all, 2) coin equality, 3) secure

I like "coin equality" over "fungibility" in this context

I hate the old video on the front page, particularly because it says "more than 30 developers"

This was made in 2015 or 16 I think. Now there is more than 300.

haha same. iirc there are resources available to edit that sorta easily?

<cankerwort> what sites would you be putting this chatwoot on sgp?

people still quote the >30 number so it's an issue for press

we had people reaching out fairly recently for a documentary on crypto asking if they could use that video

painfull to say "yes but it's outdated! Now it's..." knowing they'll just use the video period.

cankerwort: its own dedicated site, ideally the @monero twitter for DMs if people think that's a good idea, and r/monerosupport (again if people think it's a good idea)

binaryFate: good point

also all the Kovri references

Is there someone in the community that could assess cost/effort of changing that numbers and also maybe redo video. It's not a very intricate one.

So the video needs to be updated

binaryFate: we're a tiny coin

that gas grown 1000 since the video was created

has

what was the guy's name that made it? silvestra?

rehrar I wish... was so cozy!

here are the scripts/translations. I'm looking for the other repo github.com/monero-ecosystem/promo-video

savandra! github.com/savandra/Monero_Promo_Video

that's it!

maybe we can track him down and see if he'd be willing to do an edit

we have to find out who did the voice over

just have Doug do it :p

I'd venture that we can redo the voice over with a different voice :)

i nominate rehrar or jwinterm! just because i love listening to them <3

rehrar: "What up scrubs? This video is about Moh-neh-roh!"

Probably just 50$ on upwork if you want same kind of deep professional voice

I do have a super fancy mic, as most of you have seen.

I think having it sound professional would be important, especially because voice overs aren’t to costly

:(

too*

you can do a version rehrar :D

voiceover tryouts

I'll put my version on getmonono.org

yes please

I could help with editing the video

perfect and thank you

does anyone have Adobe AfterEffects?

I do, but I don't know how to use it.

<cankerwort> "Monono has over -1 developers"

Always KdenLive as well

this is technially true

no numbers

Monero has over x developers

"Monero has a large, active development community"

"Monero has developers"

not sure if having had 300+ code contributions means monero has 300 developers

300+ code contributions from different accounts

maybe "over 250+ people contributed with an active development community"

it's the third largest crypto in number of developers after BTC or ETH, this should be conveyed clearly one way or another

or so

I think you're being too careful/shy on this particular instance selsta. It's a video where we can't use unclear longer phrasing or waste words

maybe :D

All the rest of the Monero content is always so careful and honest... at least with this we can make a clear statement

"one of the largest open-source developer communities"

I'm trying to choose wording that also lasts

better, but honestly any coin would say so

yea I’m better not involved with this video lol

We don't need to make a video valid for 4 years

this one has been used for 3

"with X developers, it's the third largest development communicty after Bitcoin and Ethereum"

just remove "with X developers"

<deedledea> @sgp if you want any tests for a non-technical-audience on the content just let me know...I can wrangle up a few I am sure!

deedledea: that's SUPER helpful; I'll keep that in mind

should the target audience be crypto users?

because I’ve always found the block reward part confusing in this video

people who are not familiar with crypto don’t know what a block reward is

IMO audience is layman journalist or complete newb

Let's have a first step being writing up a new script.

We can talk about voice work and discuss how much of the visuals need to be changed after we have a good script.

The cryptocurrency space is different today than it was three years ago.

The average 'noob' is also different.

I'd like to make a main goal to keep as many visuals the same unless we know we have the skills to adapt

something along these lines in the ideal case: twitter.com/Bitcoin/status/1253656381711888391

though even shorter

anyway, we have one project to work on. please think of others today that YOU can work on this week

for the sake of time, I'll wrap this meeting

<deedledea> visuals are always good! ideally there would be videos for different audiences, but if we are talking about gaining a few different audiences at once (i.e. that it's technical enough to peek the interest of developers and digestible enough for the non-technical to want to explore more) then content creation and communication is tricky. I like the challenge, I'll think more on it on my end!

6. Confirm next meeting date/time

The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 9 May at 17:00 UTC.

The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday 2 May at 17:00 UTC

Conclusion

That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.

Coffee Chat next Saturday (repeating myself for emphasis)

thanks sgp_, thanks everyone

ye

<deedledea> thanks @sgp and be well all!

thanks sgp_

Sorry for missing the meeting, i hope i'm going to feel better tomorrow, cannot really focus too much atm

ErCiccione[m]: it's all good! Feel better :)