04:17:07 <kinghat[m]> ill read your book mr. saladbar. probably not right away but eventually.
06:04:21 <rehrar> kinghat[m]: do you have the URL and stuff? If not message me.
06:04:26 <rehrar> And let me know which one since I have several.
06:04:31 <rehrar> I plan on selling them for Monero once they're ready.
13:42:07 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Rehrar and BinaryFate pinging you on wire
15:04:11 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> I'll pay Monero for a novel
15:54:30 <sgp_> meeting in 1 hour
16:08:18 <needbrrrrrrr90> When is the meeting again?
16:08:24 * needbrrrrrrr90 rubs sleep from his eyes
16:09:59 <niocbrrrrrr> 51 minutes
17:00:16 <sgp_> Meeting time!
17:00:39 <sgp_> 0. Introduction
17:00:41 <kinghat[m]> o/
17:00:43 <sgp_> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
17:00:47 <sgp_> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/457
17:00:51 <sgp_> Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
17:00:56 <sgp_> 1. Greetings
17:01:22 <msvb-mob> Hello.
17:01:24 <binaryFate> random guy runs a community meeting
17:01:24 <xmrscott[m]> Osu~
17:01:31 <netrik182> hi
17:01:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> hi!
17:01:51 <sgp_> binaryFate: lmao
17:02:25 <ajs-mob> hi
17:03:03 <sgp_> 2. Community highlights
17:03:09 <sgp_> See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
17:03:21 <sgp_> Check out resources at https://communityworkgroup.org. We can use this page to more easily organize Monero Community Workgroup resources going forward. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders.
17:03:29 <sgp_> Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
17:04:25 <sgp_> 3. CCS updates
17:04:30 <sgp_> Funding required:
17:04:35 <sgp_> Monero Debian Package Repository for 2 years (42.54 / 73 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/adrelanos-debian-package.html
17:04:42 <sgp_> xiphon part-time coding (3 months) (69.09 / 371 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/adrelanos-debian-package.html
17:04:49 <sgp_> Ideas (to be discussed):
17:04:54 <sgp_> Translation of Mastering Monero into Brazilian Portuguese (37 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/137
17:05:17 <sgp_> Note: I have a financial interest in Mastering Monero
17:05:30 <rehrar> profiteering
17:05:31 <rehrar> reeee
17:05:44 <netrik182> I proposed translating Mastering Monero if anyone has questions
17:06:17 <netrik182> There was a reddit post as well: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/g3vqoi/my_ccs_proposal_to_translate_mastering_monero_is/
17:06:25 <sgp_> thanks for being here netrik182. they helped us a TON with the subtitles for Monero Means Money
17:06:36 <Inge-> does it have any other language translations?
17:07:01 <ArticMine> hi
17:07:06 <netrik182> I don't think so
17:07:10 <binaryFate> how different are portuguese vs. brazilian? Is there strong value in having a brazilian specific version? I didn't see mention of that in the proposal
17:07:32 <netrik182> Almost no difference really
17:07:42 <sgp_> Inge-: there's a Chinese translation zh.masteringmonero.com and a partially reviewed Russian translation
17:07:59 <binaryFate> so it's going to be easy and comfortable to read for portuguese people as well?
17:07:59 <Inge-> Spanish would be great too
17:08:03 <netrik182> But as Brazilian I would do so called Brazilian Portuguese instead of European, so to speak
17:08:25 <rehrar> "so to speak" hehe, I get it
17:08:27 <netrik182> Not a problem at all binaryFate
17:08:52 * Inge- is positive to Brazilian translation
17:08:53 <netrik182> Most of the online content in portuguese is written by brazilians
17:08:59 <netrik182> but everyone can read it
17:09:04 <binaryFate> oki thanks
17:09:29 <netrik182> think of Britain vs USA English
17:09:56 <netrik182> it's the same
17:11:36 <sgp_> Any other questions or feedback?
17:12:24 <sgp_> ok, second one
17:12:27 <sgp_> Compilation time reduction and housekeeping (52 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/138
17:13:31 <sgp_> you need to click on "changes" to see the text
17:14:19 <xmrscott[m]> I believe this would help with the issues Endogenic highlighted at Konferenco
17:14:40 <xmrscott[m]> Thus, I'd like to see it
17:15:12 <rehrar> Thusly
17:15:32 <endogenic> ossssssu
17:15:38 <binaryFate> Proposal looks interesting but I didn't follow the -dev discussions about it, anybody knows?
17:15:49 <rehrar> A note on the CCS proposals, the Norwegian one was merged and it's not showing. I tried to fix and it's still not showing. Working that out.
17:17:09 <sgp_> binaryFate: I don't see a dev discussion in the past week
17:17:35 <binaryFate> mmm I thought I had skeemed through some mentions of this
17:18:21 <asymptotically> i think i last talked in -dev with the compile time speedup guy, so if you grep your logs for me it should come up :D
17:19:55 <sgp_> any comments on this otherwise?
17:20:39 * needbrrrrrrr90 sneaks in the back entrance and takes a seat
17:22:44 <sgp_> messy logs of the discussion https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/73V4aGO4/logs
17:23:16 <sgp_> we can move on. please comment in gitlab. looking at you devs :)
17:23:33 <sgp_> 4. Workgroup report
17:23:46 <sgp_> a. Daemon/CLI workgroup
17:23:56 <sgp_> luigi merged a bunch of things, including dandelion++
17:24:47 <sgp_> does anyone else have an update here? else we can move to b
17:24:56 <sgp_> is ErCiccione[m] here?
17:25:06 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> when next release?
17:25:29 <sgp_> rehrar: do you know when the next dev meeting is?
17:25:40 <sgp_> tomorrow?
17:25:43 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> dandelion++ for the masses
17:25:57 <netrik182> ErCiccione was not feeling well during the week so probably not here
17:26:13 <rehrar> sgp_: whenever we want it to be. People had voiced that dev meetings should be kind of before releases and stuff, but if we wanted to set one up then we can.
17:26:32 <sgp_> rehrar: ok, keep me updated so I can update the calendar
17:26:53 <sgp_> cankerwort: unfortunately I don't really have a good update
17:27:30 <sgp_> if ErCiccione isn't here, we can move on to c
17:27:35 <sgp_> c. GUI workgroup
17:27:39 <sgp_> selsta any update?
17:28:16 <selsta> we are preparing for the next update
17:28:56 <selsta> no big updates otherwise
17:29:16 <sgp_> thanks
17:29:28 <sgp_> is sarang here?
17:30:13 <sgp_> We can move on to 5. Open ideas time
17:30:15 <selsta> 19:12 <sgp_> Compilation time reduction and housekeeping (52 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/138 <-- I think mooo and others should agree first if they want this
17:30:25 <sgp_> selsta: yeah
17:31:04 <xmrscott[m]> Pi/Rock node is currently looking for WEb UI folk: https://www.reddit.com/r/pinode/comments/fuwryy/pinodexmr_updated_full_node_for_single_board/
17:31:05 <monerobux> [REDDIT] PiNode-XMR updated. Full node ( for single board computers ) not just Raspberry Pi --- Armbian Buster & Hardware testers needed. New Web UI proposal with help needed from the community. (self.pinode) | 6 points (100.0%) | 3 comments | Posted by shermand100 | Created at 2020-04-04 - 16:40:22
17:31:10 <sgp_> Does anyone have topics to discuss? It's been a long time since the last open ideas time
17:31:21 <xmrscott[m]> (This is the monero-ecosystem/pinode-XMR project)
17:32:16 <sgp_> xmrscott[m]: cool :)
17:32:17 <xmrscott[m]> Namely, they want to build a Web dashboard from scratch to shed a bunch of extra weight they inherited from basically pulling a cookie cutter
17:32:27 <sgp_> Moneroversary debrief: so far this year’s main livestream has 1,025 and 255.5 hours of watch time. Last year’s Moneroversary main livestream has 1,337 views and 440 hours of watch time. Like last year, not many people are watching the events afterwards.
17:32:41 <sgp_> *1,025 views
17:34:12 <sgp_> Since the community feedback on a Chatwoot service by the Core Team seemed mostly negative, I plan on making my own which I hope to integrate in as many Monero accounts/pages/etc as possible
17:34:34 <sgp_> This is a chat support service that I think could benefit newcomers and those with questions
17:34:50 <sgp_> It will allow us to learn more clearly what the pain points are so we can fix them
17:35:18 <binaryFate> summary of negative feedback?
17:35:34 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> pain points of newcomers?
17:35:58 <sgp_> And I will make a series of trainings that people can use to get up to speed to be able to answer questions
17:36:08 <sgp_> deedledea: yes
17:36:58 <sgp_> binaryFate: people didn't want it embedded on the getmonero site, people were concerned about legal stuff, and people were pessimistic that the tool should be used over other support services like StackExchange and reading the docs
17:37:44 <binaryFate> ok so more about the location itself
17:37:45 <sgp_> I'm heavily considering making this my own thing, so any feedback on how to do this best is welcome :)
17:39:25 <sgp_> what other projects are people thinking of? we need people to take on fun projects and get stuff done
17:39:51 <netrik182> there were some discussions about revamping getmonero.org home-page to be more beginner-friendly
17:40:14 <sgp_> netrik182: oh yes, let me find that github issue/PR
17:40:34 <sgp_> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/948
17:41:05 <sgp_> I recommended another card that has icons for the following: 1) private for all, 2) coin equality, 3) secure
17:42:07 <sgp_> I like "coin equality" over "fungibility" in this context
17:43:43 <binaryFate> I hate the old video on the front page, particularly because it says "more than 30 developers"
17:43:57 <binaryFate> This was made in 2015 or 16 I think. Now there is more than 300.
17:44:12 <sgp_> haha same. iirc there are resources available to edit that sorta easily?
17:44:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> what sites would you be putting this  chatwoot on sgp?
17:44:37 <sgp_> people still quote the >30 number so it's an issue for press
17:45:00 <binaryFate> we had people reaching out fairly recently for a documentary on crypto asking if they could use that video
17:45:24 <binaryFate> painfull to say "yes but it's outdated! Now it's..." knowing they'll just use the video period.
17:45:27 <sgp_> cankerwort: its own dedicated site, ideally the @monero twitter for DMs if people think that's a good idea, and r/monerosupport (again if people think it's a good idea)
17:45:43 <sgp_> binaryFate: good point
17:46:02 <sgp_> also all the Kovri references
17:46:18 <binaryFate> Is there someone in the community that could assess cost/effort of changing that numbers and also maybe redo video. It's not a very intricate one.
17:46:23 <ArticMine> So the video needs to be updated
17:46:29 <rehrar> binaryFate: we're a tiny coin
17:46:58 <ArticMine> that gas grown 1000 since the video was created
17:47:01 <ArticMine> has
17:47:04 <rehrar> what was the guy's name that made it? silvestra?
17:47:16 <binaryFate> rehrar I wish... was so cozy!
17:47:17 <sgp_> here are the scripts/translations. I'm looking for the other repo https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/promo-video
17:47:36 <sgp_> savandra! https://github.com/savandra/Monero_Promo_Video
17:47:45 <rehrar> that's it!
17:47:53 <rehrar> maybe we can track him down and see if he'd be willing to do an edit
17:48:04 <sgp_> https://github.com/savandra/Monero_Promo_Video/blob/master/Illustrator_Vectors/monero%20developers.ai
17:48:24 <selsta> we have to find out who did the voice over
17:48:40 <sgp_> just have Doug do it :p
17:48:48 <binaryFate> I'd venture that we can redo the voice over with a different voice :)
17:49:11 <asymptotically> i nominate rehrar or jwinterm! just because i love listening to them <3
17:49:38 <rehrar> rehrar: "What up scrubs? This video is about Moh-neh-roh!"
17:49:43 <binaryFate> Probably just 50$ on upwork if you want same kind of deep professional voice
17:49:55 <rehrar> I do have a super fancy mic, as most of you have seen.
17:50:24 <selsta> I think having it sound professional would be important, especially because voice overs aren’t to costly
17:50:34 <rehrar> :(
17:50:36 <selsta> too*
17:50:55 <selsta> you can do a version rehrar :D
17:51:09 <sgp_> voiceover tryouts
17:51:09 <rehrar> I'll put my version on http://getmonono.org
17:51:16 <binaryFate> yes please
17:51:20 <ajs-mob> I could help with editing the video
17:51:22 <binaryFate> perfect and thank you
17:51:40 <sgp_> does anyone have Adobe AfterEffects?
17:51:49 <rehrar> I do, but I don't know how to use it.
17:52:11 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> "Monono has over -1 developers"
17:53:10 <xmrscott[m]> Always KdenLive as well
17:53:13 <rehrar> this is technially true
17:53:28 <sgp_> no numbers
17:53:39 <rehrar> Monero has over x developers
17:53:46 <sgp_> "Monero has a large, active development community"
17:53:47 <rehrar> "Monero has developers"
17:54:07 <selsta> not sure if having had 300+ code contributions means monero has 300 developers
17:54:25 <selsta> 300+ code contributions from different accounts
17:55:28 <selsta> maybe "over 250+ people contributed with an active development community"
17:55:28 <binaryFate> it's the third largest crypto in number of developers after BTC or ETH, this should be conveyed clearly one way or another
17:55:29 <selsta> or so
17:56:30 <binaryFate> I think you're being too careful/shy on this particular instance selsta. It's a video where we can't use unclear longer phrasing or waste words
17:56:38 <selsta> maybe :D
17:56:59 <binaryFate> All the rest of the Monero content is always so careful and honest... at least with this we can make a clear statement
17:57:23 <sgp_> "one of the largest open-source developer communities"
17:57:35 <sgp_> I'm trying to choose wording that also lasts
17:57:36 <binaryFate> better, but honestly any coin would say so
17:57:54 <selsta> yea I’m better not involved with this video lol
17:57:55 <binaryFate> We don't need to make a video valid for 4 years
17:58:22 <sgp_> this one has been used for 3
17:58:30 <binaryFate> "with X developers, it's the third largest development communicty after Bitcoin and Ethereum"
17:58:46 <sgp_> just remove "with X developers"
17:58:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> @sgp if you want any tests for a non-technical-audience on the content just let me know...I can wrangle up a few I am sure!
17:59:26 <sgp_> deedledea: that's SUPER helpful; I'll keep that in mind
18:00:10 <selsta> should the target audience be crypto users?
18:00:37 <selsta> because I’ve always found the block reward part confusing in this video
18:00:48 <selsta> people who are not familiar with crypto don’t know what a block reward is
18:01:01 <binaryFate> IMO audience is layman journalist or complete newb
18:01:20 <rehrar> Let's have a first step being writing up a new script.
18:01:33 <rehrar> We can talk about voice work and discuss how much of the visuals need to be changed after we have a good script.
18:01:46 <rehrar> The cryptocurrency space is different today than it was three years ago.
18:01:53 <rehrar> The average 'noob' is also different.
18:02:10 <sgp_> I'd like to make a main goal to keep as many visuals the same unless we know we have the skills to adapt
18:03:22 <sgp_> something along these lines in the ideal case: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin/status/1253656381711888391
18:03:23 <monerobux> [ Bitcoin on Twitter: "Bitcoin explained in two minutes… " ] - twitter.com
18:03:39 <sgp_> though even shorter
18:04:18 <sgp_> anyway, we have one project to work on. please think of others today that YOU can work on this week
18:04:36 <sgp_> for the sake of time, I'll wrap this meeting
18:04:37 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> visuals are always good! ideally there would be videos for different audiences, but if we are talking about gaining a few different audiences at once (i.e. that it's technical enough to peek the interest of developers and digestible enough for the non-technical to want to explore more) then content creation and communication is tricky. I like the challenge, I'll think more on it on my end!
18:04:53 <sgp_> 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
18:04:58 <sgp_> The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 9 May at 17:00 UTC.
18:05:02 <sgp_> The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday 2 May at 17:00 UTC
18:05:05 <sgp_> Conclusion
18:05:09 <sgp_> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.
18:05:28 <sgp_> Coffee Chat next Saturday (repeating myself for emphasis)
18:05:57 <binaryFate> thanks sgp_, thanks everyone
18:06:43 <rehrar> ye
18:06:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> thanks @sgp and be well all!
18:08:03 <netrik182> thanks sgp_
18:15:15 <ErCiccione[m]> Sorry for missing the meeting, i hope i'm going to feel better tomorrow, cannot really focus too much atm
19:02:43 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: it's all good! Feel better :)