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endogenic
nooooooooo
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xmrscott[m]
He's ded Jim
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xmrscott[m]
Sidenote, Mozilla is adopting Matrox over IRC now for their community. Make what you will of that:
twitter.com/matrixdotorg/status/1207686810958258183?s=09
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monerobux
[ Matrix on Twitter: "Really excited that Mozilla has selected Matrix, @RiotChat and @ModularIM as the successor to IRC for all their community chat needs! The future will be open - both open source, op ] - twitter.com
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rottensox
disgusting.
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asymptotically
y matrix over xmpp?
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sgp_
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sgp_
it's unusual for exchanges to speak so clearly about what they're doing
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sarang
Makes sense, if they want to help their users understand how it all works
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hyc
def a good writeup
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sarang
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sgp_
sarang: wow "Raised 306.5 of 695 XMR"
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xmrscott[m]
asymptotically: Presumably because of bridges, etc
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xmrscott[m]
i.e. no need for a hard cutover, people can ease over or keep the IRC running for historical purposes
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xmrscott[m]
Sidenote to rehrar: New Vector is hiring Designers for Matrix, so you can get paid to improve the best way you see fit
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xmrscott[m]
If you weren't busy already: :P
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xmrscott[m]
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Mumuks[m]
Plus matrix/Riot is under more development than xmpp
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asymptotically
i think you can have XMPP<->IRC bridges but i'm going to guess it's annoying to set up and configure
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asymptotically
idk, looking into it, it looks like a poor reimplementation of XMPP because somebody felt that it needed to be hip cool JSON instead of XML
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Mumuks[m]
asymptotically: what's the mobile client for xmpp?
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asymptotically
there's a really nice one called conversations for android. i don't know about apple though
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Mumuks[m]
<asymptotically "idk, looking into it, it looks l"> Avoiding XML is a duty, he should get a medal
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Mumuks[m]
asymptotically: it is in fdroid, installing now
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Mumuks[m]
asymptotically also, what characteristics does xmpp has that matrix doesn't and vice versa?
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asymptotically
i think matrix comes with more. xmpp is really minimal and then things like E2E encryption are built on top of that
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asymptotically
downside of that is something like the newest E2E encryption standard thingy isn't supported by most of the clients yet:
omemo.top
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Mumuks[m]
Yes, I just installed Conversations and I think it does not have audio and video call
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asymptotically
i think you can only send short voice clips, not very useful
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xmrscott[m]
Yeah, it looks like it has to be paired with WebRTC according to the official page
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asymptotically
there's jingle which is an xmpp extension that google voice used, but i don't know any clients that support it :v
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xmrscott[m]
So as a protocol itself it doesn't support video/calls like Matrix protocol does
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xmrscott[m]
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asymptotically
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Mumuks[m]
For what I'm reading xmpp is very barebones but extendable, using extensions for anything "modern"
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Mumuks[m]
Not sure having so many optional parts is that great but xmpp is way older so it could have made sense back then
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xmrscott[m]
Yeah, it's arguably kind of the issue with OpenVPN vs WireGuard
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xmrscott[m]
And why OpenVPN is arguably much more vulernable than WireGuard
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xmrscott[m]
*kind of the same issue