02:12:55 <endogenic> nooooooooo
14:40:30 <xmrscott[m]> He's ded Jim
14:41:47 <xmrscott[m]> Sidenote, Mozilla is adopting Matrox over IRC now for their community. Make what you will of that: https://twitter.com/matrixdotorg/status/1207686810958258183?s=09
14:41:47 <monerobux> [ Matrix on Twitter: "Really excited that Mozilla has selected Matrix, @RiotChat and @ModularIM as the successor to IRC for all their community chat needs! The future will be open - both open source, op ] - twitter.com
14:59:51 <rottensox> disgusting.
16:01:16 <asymptotically> y matrix over xmpp?
16:11:52 <sgp_> This is a very nice read from Binance https://www.binance.com/en/blog/414733786553217024/CZ-on-Regulations-Exchanges--Privacy
16:12:06 <sgp_> it's unusual for exchanges to speak so clearly about what they're doing
17:07:20 <sarang> Makes sense, if they want to help their users understand how it all works
17:09:53 <hyc> def a good writeup
17:13:19 <sarang> Hooray, CCS is open! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q1.html
17:23:26 <sgp_> sarang: wow "Raised 306.5 of 695 XMR"
19:05:06 <xmrscott[m]> asymptotically: Presumably because of bridges, etc
19:05:27 <xmrscott[m]> i.e. no need for a hard cutover, people can ease over or keep the IRC running for historical purposes
19:06:59 <xmrscott[m]> Sidenote to rehrar: New Vector is hiring Designers for Matrix, so you can get paid to improve the best way you see fit
19:07:04 <xmrscott[m]> If you weren't busy already: :P
19:07:13 <xmrscott[m]> (https://apply.workable.com/new-vector/j/6CB817C79E/ )
19:11:25 <Mumuks[m]> Plus matrix/Riot is under more development than xmpp
19:12:45 <asymptotically> i think you can have XMPP<->IRC bridges but i'm going to guess it's annoying to set up and configure
19:13:45 <asymptotically> idk, looking into it, it looks like a poor reimplementation of XMPP because somebody felt that it needed to be hip cool JSON instead of XML
19:14:08 <Mumuks[m]> asymptotically: what's the mobile client for xmpp?
19:14:35 <asymptotically> there's a really nice one called conversations for android. i don't know about apple though
19:14:42 <Mumuks[m]> <asymptotically "idk, looking into it, it looks l"> Avoiding XML is a duty, he should get a medal
19:15:22 <Mumuks[m]> asymptotically: it is in fdroid, installing now
19:16:21 <Mumuks[m]> asymptotically also, what characteristics does xmpp has that matrix doesn't and vice versa?
19:16:55 <asymptotically> i think matrix comes with more. xmpp is really minimal and then things like E2E encryption are built on top of that
19:17:23 <asymptotically> downside of that is something like the newest E2E encryption standard thingy isn't supported by most of the clients yet: https://omemo.top/
19:18:47 <Mumuks[m]> Yes, I just installed Conversations and I think it does not have audio and video call
19:20:34 <asymptotically> i think you can only send short voice clips, not very useful
19:21:01 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, it looks like it has to be paired with WebRTC according to the official page
19:21:19 <asymptotically> there's jingle which is an xmpp extension that google voice used, but i don't know any clients that support it :v
19:21:27 <xmrscott[m]> So as a protocol itself it doesn't support video/calls like Matrix protocol does
19:21:33 <xmrscott[m]> (https://xmpp.org/uses/webrtc.html)
19:23:21 <asymptotically> https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0166.html
19:28:41 <Mumuks[m]> For what I'm reading xmpp is very barebones but extendable, using extensions for anything "modern"
19:29:30 <Mumuks[m]> Not sure having so many optional parts is that great but xmpp is way older so it could have made sense back then
19:30:03 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, it's arguably kind of the issue with OpenVPN vs WireGuard
19:30:21 <xmrscott[m]> And why OpenVPN is arguably much more vulernable than WireGuard
19:30:29 <xmrscott[m]> *kind of the same issue