00:46:01 <manj-gnome> hi guys trying to install monerod
00:46:21 <manj-gnome> `exit` command wont get me out of the menu, just says stop signal sent
00:56:58 <DirkGently> hit enter again
00:57:39 <DirkGently> manj-gnome: ^^ sometimes it need a gentle reminer
00:57:44 <DirkGently> reminder
00:58:31 <manj-gnome> tried multiple timesnada
01:02:09 <manj-gnome> it stopped syncing but wont exit
01:06:34 <DirkGently> manj-gnome: you should be able to exit any way that you can and it should be ok
01:07:14 <DirkGently> it does sound weird
01:07:29 <DirkGently> but then again I am clueless and use windows
02:26:59 <pixelized[m]> using windows is like abusing a child
02:27:07 <pixelized[m]> something you generally don't wanna do
02:47:03 <Norkle> .faucet
02:47:04 <Wallet> N​orkle: How many toes do humans normally have if they have 0 le​gs
02:47:09 <Norkle> 0
02:47:09 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000333 XMR to Norkle [d3e3e3c6] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01683103
04:44:47 <Metamorphosis> Good morning everyone
04:45:02 <shabash> hello
05:08:46 <gokritz> I bought in right before the dip ;-;
05:09:48 <gokritz> guess I just need to wait longer next time
05:25:44 <Mochi102> How do you know it's a dip?
05:26:56 <Mochi102> A 'dip' implies that it's going back up.
05:28:21 <gokritz> I'd be surprised if this wasn't a dip
07:14:50 <Bill48105> .xmr
07:14:51 <Wallet> Bill48105: ≈$359.9169 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
07:15:35 <azy> .faucet
07:15:37 <Wallet> ​azy: How long is th​e word spend
07:15:39 <azy> 5
07:15:39 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to azy [c7dad65b] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01680978
07:23:53 <kubast2> I know this sounds ridicilous, but is it possible to compile xmrig without randomx support? Trying to compile xmrig-cuda for kawpow alg, I could test out randomx_cuda but I don't expect it goes very far;
07:24:18 <kubast2> Error: symbol `fatbinData' is already defined; I just can't compile randomx_cuda.cpp and I also end up with this
07:24:40 <kubast2> wait maybe if I disable lto
07:26:05 <kubast2> "lto-wrapper: fatal error: /usr/bin/c++ returned 1 exit status"
07:26:35 <kubast2> I had no luck compiling any cuda based miners so far
07:36:42 <sech1> kubast2 add -DWITH_RANDOMX=OFF to cmake command line
09:13:26 <jur6Flemneeck> hello
09:13:53 <jur6Flemneeck> how to add this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7661
09:14:35 <jur6Flemneeck> not a github guru
09:15:53 <moneromooo> Save https://patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/monero-project/monero/pull/7661.patch to, eg, /tmp/7661.patch
09:16:04 <moneromooo> patch -p1 < /tmp/7661.patch
09:16:10 <moneromooo> (while in the monero tree)
09:16:21 <moneromooo> Actually, do this instead:
09:16:29 <moneromooo> patch --dry-run -p1 < /tmp/7661.patch
09:16:50 <moneromooo> If it says anything about failure, it'll be complicated. If not, then run: patch -p1 < /tmp/7661.patch
09:16:59 <moneromooo> Then build normally.
09:17:11 <jur6Flemneeck> thnx
09:20:42 <jur6Flemneeck> no error
09:20:51 <jur6Flemneeck> thnx again
10:52:59 <leonardus> Would it be possible to have a pool limit built into the protocol?
10:53:17 <leonardus> So one pool couldn't control more than for example 5% of the total hash rate of the network?
10:56:20 <Jaska__> Well that would be just dumb
10:56:37 <endor00[m]> No, because mining is not an interactive process
10:57:19 <endor00[m]> The only solution to pool centralization is education
10:59:32 <gingeropolous> yeah, that and using the stratum_v2 protocol or whatever its called
10:59:33 <gingeropolous> self-select
11:15:58 <jur6Flemneeck> hello again
11:19:02 <jur6Flemneeck> after adding this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7661 compile stops with errors http://paste.debian.net/1197859/
11:19:15 <jur6Flemneeck> before everything was ok
11:24:24 <moneromooo> You can remove the entire contents of light_wallet_get_outs.
11:24:35 <moneromooo> And fix up returns if needed.
13:12:20 <Lovera[m]> Hi guys!! I’m trying to generate a Private spend key manually by coin flips. I’ve already seen the Site jolly mort, there is a option to generate a seed by coin flip, but I want to understand the process and do it manually. Because the site is asking for 252 flips, so i write this (0 - 1) and I get 63 number base 16. (From base 2 to base 16) but a private spend key is a 64 hexadecimal charters. So how can i get the
13:12:20 <Lovera[m]> remaining number? To do it manually? How the site with 252 flips generate a seed?
13:13:55 <Lovera[m]> If I make 256 flips (256 bit number) then I need to compute its reminder right? Modul l (which is 253 bit integrer) but that is too much for me 😅
14:07:42 <moneromooo> You can use the generator at moneroaddress.org, put your flips in the custom entropy (any format you like).
14:07:59 <moneromooo> Be very sure you don't write this entropy anywhere else though.
14:08:18 <moneromooo> Or monero-wallet-cli also allows you to input your own entropy.
14:08:43 <moneromooo> monero-wallet-cli uses it in addition to the system random bits, moneroaddress.org uses only what you give IIRC (so deterministic).
14:22:10 <Lovera[m]> <moneromooo "Or monero-wallet-cli also allows"> Thanks moneromoo.
14:23:46 <Lovera[m]> With moneroaddress i put my entropy, let’s say 252 coin flips and of course get the seed. but I want to see how the site resolve this entropy to generate a private spend key (or seed)… with 252 flips
14:28:22 <moneromooo> It runs keccak or Cryptonight IIRC.
14:53:29 <Lovera[m]> <moneromooo "It runs keccak or Cryptonight II"> Oh! I see, SHA3. Thanks
15:26:16 <novelcoronavirus> When will XMR move to a proper algo like SHA3?
15:29:45 <moneromooo> Probably never. The difference between our keccak and SHA3 are so minimal it's not worth the pain to switch given we have to support our vrsion for historical data.
15:33:40 <hyc> there is no difference between keccak and SHA3 for the data we operate on
15:34:05 <hyc> the only difference in spec is wrt to padding, which is only relevant for inputs that are not multiples of 32 bytes
15:34:53 <hyc> all of the data we operate on is always a multiple of 32 bytes
15:37:03 <parazyd> .beg
15:37:05 <Wallet> p​arazyd: Of 6 <-> 1, which ​is 6
15:37:08 <parazyd> 1
15:37:08 <Wallet> parazyd: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
15:37:14 <parazyd> wat
16:57:26 * botcoinnotbot[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/FONLHZCCeYeveKYEKFlOkLsq/message.txt >
16:59:03 <botcoinnotbot[m]> should the decoy selection algorithm be adjusted to make sure there is at least 1 input of matching fee level (200x normal fee)?
17:01:32 <botcoinnotbot[m]> i looked into ring member 7 for input 2, and found that that transaction (https://xmrchain.net/tx/66c305bdddab95d9f7a4449e0a56d4e3147ec2928912eadbdf24f695a61d39ee) also had 2 inputs
17:02:10 <botcoinnotbot[m]> this transactions 2 inputs both suffer the same problem of only having 1 high paying ring member...
17:03:19 <moneromooo> Probably not.
17:03:50 <moneromooo> Knowing why the fees are high would help decide.
17:07:14 <botcoinnotbot[m]> whoever is making these transactions is burning thousands of dollars, they are making hundreds of them
17:07:17 <botcoinnotbot[m]> so strange
17:08:54 <botcoinnotbot[m]> if you look at the twitter bot twitter.com/HerdAlert almost every (if not every) high fee transaction is made by this entity
17:10:32 <botcoinnotbot[m]> probably worth investigating further
17:11:01 <ieatglueinthegul> How the hell do you even get a .06 fee
17:14:44 <moneromooo> 200 isn't a standard multiplier, I just looked.
17:14:49 <moneromooo> So custom code.
17:15:01 <moneromooo> Pointless doing anything then.
17:15:11 <moneromooo> (to rings I mean)
17:18:43 <botcoinnotbot[m]> I say 200x cause the GUI wallet says you are paying that much when you pick fastest tx priority
17:19:54 <botcoinnotbot[m]> i have used 200x once and it is similar to what this person is paying (~0.01XMR) so I assumed they were using that
17:22:36 <floralshoppe[m]1> .beg
17:22:37 <Wallet> floralshoppe[m]1: Access denied for beg. Are you logged in?
20:04:37 <walton> I want to privately buy some monero with some ethereum. What are my best options ?
20:04:50 <wwong> hello
20:04:55 <walton> hello
20:05:02 <wwong> how's it going?
20:05:06 <raecarruth> find a miner who wants shitty ass eth
20:06:18 <walton> How do I search for one ? I'm new to the crypto world.
20:07:09 <wwong> walton - you can mine xmr yourself
20:07:20 <walton> I do.
20:07:49 <walton> But I want to privately exchange my ethereum for xmr
20:07:54 <wwong> oh
20:08:00 <wwong> binance? p2p?
20:08:10 <wwong> lol not binance
20:08:16 <volantaryism1[m]> walton: use changenow.io, no sign up swapping
20:08:31 <walton> thanks, I'll check it out.
20:22:33 <PiRATA> godex.io also
20:22:42 <walton> thnaks
20:23:21 <PiRATA> check which one is cheaper
20:25:10 <walton> sure
20:25:34 <azy> .faucet
20:25:36 <Wallet> ​azy: Which is​ smallest, 2 4 or 6
20:25:38 <azy> 2
20:25:39 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000001 XMR to azy [5e668dcc] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01678588
20:59:25 <solominer> Hi there!
21:00:52 <Mochi102> hi!!!
21:00:59 <Mochi102> .faucet
21:01:02 <Wallet> Mo​chi102: How long is th​e word trust
21:01:05 <Mochi102> 5
21:01:05 <Wallet> Mochi102: @bonuspot tipped 0.00005 XMR to Mochi102 [bc1b6eed] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01673588
21:01:17 <Mochi102> .balance
21:01:17 <Wallet> Mochi102: • Your balance is: 0.0005431 XMR (≈0.19 USD)
21:01:31 <Mochi102> massive!
21:05:33 <solominer> Can i speed up monerod syncing by disabling verification like i can do with monero-blockchain-import.exe ?
21:05:51 <solominer> (import is too slow)
21:08:27 <DirkGently> why would you want an unverified chain?  0_o
21:09:50 <Mochi102> solominer, I think there is an option to do that... not 100% sure though
21:10:07 <DirkGently> should be
21:10:32 <DirkGently> SSDs are cheap now
21:10:40 <DirkGently> Mochi102 will buy you one
21:11:06 <Mochi102> no
21:11:31 <Mochi102> I'm the second poorest guy in Europe.
21:12:30 <Mochi102> solominer, https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/importing_blockchain.html
21:12:48 <solominer> import is too slow
21:12:53 <solominer> no ssd
21:13:18 <Mochi102> Never use the dangerous unverified import option, it is strictly for experts only.
21:13:24 <Mochi102> Are you an expert?
21:13:34 <DirkGently> let it sync and if you need to use your wallet you can use a remote node until you are synced up
21:13:51 <Mochi102> monero-blockchain-import --help
21:13:55 <Mochi102> try that
21:14:05 <Mochi102> look for the unverified option
21:14:07 <DirkGently> will take some days to sync without a SSD
21:16:45 <Mochi102> monero-blockchain-import --dangerous-unverified-import
21:16:55 <Mochi102> something something something
21:17:16 <Mochi102> solominer, I'm thinking you're not an expert though if you couldn't find that yourself...
21:17:26 <Mochi102> so maybe just verify the chain
21:17:28 <Mochi102> ;)
21:18:29 <solominer> ok and what does this mean?
21:18:29 <solominer> Synced 1281616/2363161 (54%, 1081545 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 1.8 days left)
21:18:34 <solominer> 54% versus 0% ?
21:19:06 <Mochi102> 0% of what's left
21:19:17 <Mochi102> to sync
21:19:39 <Mochi102> 54% total is synced... 0% of what's left... so you just started it up right?
21:20:19 <solominer> Mochi102: as i said before, i have tried exactly that but it's too slow because it's using the hdd twice: once for reading the raw file and once for writing to the actual blockchain file
21:21:10 <Mochi102> You used the --dangerous-unverified-import switch?
21:21:45 <solominer> Mochi102: with the import-command, yes. now i'm syncing with monerod over internet
21:21:59 <Mochi102> I guess you just need a faster computer and more patience then.
21:22:27 <Mochi102> Mining is all about patience.
21:22:35 <Mochi102> So get used to waiting.
21:22:56 <Mochi102> Even when you find a block you'll need to wait about 2 hours for the reward to unlock.
21:23:04 <Mochi102> patience
21:24:58 <solominer> just want to speed up syncing, if possible. cant find a verify-option for monerod. and of course, i would have connected to a trusted node which wont deliver a wrong blockchain.
21:28:15 <moneromooo> I only send my money to trusted "double your money in 48 hours" schemes, not the cheap knockoffs who can steal from you.
21:28:42 <solominer> Okay, i've just changed my mind: https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/l95nbp/super_slow_blockchain_sync_windows_10_gui_wallet/
21:28:48 <solominer> Synced 419768/2286320 (18%, 1866552 left, 0% of total synced, estimated 4.1 months left)
21:29:09 <moneromooo> lol, now that's a long time.
21:29:41 <Mochi102> He's syncing it on his microwave.
21:30:28 <solominer> microwaves are also on windows 10 nowadays?
21:31:17 <Mochi102> Even your grandmother's life support machine.
21:35:33 <apotheon> BSOD takes on new meaning.
21:36:07 <apotheon> (especially because I recall hearing they're -- at least sometimes -- red screens of death now)
21:38:11 <solominer> QUESTION to the monero-team, if any are here: I want to invest in monero in the longer term, but I am worried that many exchanges will delist monero because of its anonymity, so its value will fall in the long term. How likely is this?
21:40:17 <onf> I don't think that's necessarily a question for the dev team tbh
21:48:11 <moneromooo> I don't think many many exchanges will delist it, because there aren't many exchanges listing it.
21:48:53 <moneromooo> Then again, I'm not quite sure how numbers compare so...
21:50:17 <Mochi102> Atomic Swaps are Coming
21:53:05 <apotheon> solominer: I think that "investing in Monero" in a real, meaningful sense, would involve skipping the buy-hold-sell plan people use with BTC.  Monero's value is its utility, not its mere existence as a get-rich-average-speed collectible.  To invest in its actual utility, mine it, run a full node or two, and sell things for Monero using private transaction vectors.
21:54:59 <Mochi102> apotheon, I sell things for Monero
21:55:56 <apotheon> solominer: If you have zero interest in helping improve the ability of people everywhere (including yourself) to gain private access to free economic markets, and just want to put fiat currency into something and get more out of it later, sure, Monero will probably do that, but the hostility of the state apparatus to private currencies will ensure there are more obstacles in the way of doing this
21:56:02 <apotheon> kind of thing quickly, easily, and safely than things that are easily identified, tracked, and (if "necessary") attacked.
21:56:11 <apotheon> Mochi102: . . . like what?  I don't recall whether I saw you mention what you sell.
21:56:24 <Mochi102> apotheon, https://monero.style
21:57:21 <apotheon> I didn't realize that was you.
21:58:05 <Mochi102> :)
21:58:18 <apotheon> I'd like that "Subtle Monero Supporter Hat" if it was black with the M in white or blue, but I'm not in the market for another hat right now, so don't make it just for me (yet).
21:58:26 <solominer> that you all so far! bye, bye
21:58:52 <apotheon> I scared off solominer
21:59:00 <Mochi102> I have a khaki one that I wear all the time apotheon
21:59:15 <DirkGently> apotheon: you are very scary
21:59:28 <apotheon> Yeah, I don't wear khaki.
21:59:38 <apotheon> DirkGently: . . . thanks?
22:02:07 <apotheon> Mochi102: I'm still considering whether I want to get that poster.  First, I'd need a good place to hang it.  Second, I'd have to justify the expense of paying for the frame, because I'm too lazy to get a frame myself.
22:02:37 <apotheon> It took me a year after purchase to get around to framing a previous poster.
22:02:50 <apotheon> (OpenBSD "The Wall" style poster)
22:03:00 <Mochi102> The block hashes poster?
22:03:03 <apotheon> yep
22:04:47 <apotheon> I'm already kinda beyond budget on my unnecessary purchases lately.  I should just chill for a while.  It's not like I have guests at home to see the poster, anyway.
22:05:33 <Mochi102> I had the crazy idea of exporting the block hash for every block up until now and making it into a bunch of posters... even with crazy small typeface it was some oddly huge amount of posters though.
22:06:03 <apotheon> DirkGently: Is this scary?  https://gateway.pinata.cloud/ipfs/QmYsvqgs7Zjpn2xkKDvuBFoNSqffwf7iB3XkAmhknX9g5i/gristle_fenrir_2020_05_04_r_endroad.jpg
22:06:19 <apotheon> Mochi102: yeah, that seems like a lot
22:06:44 <apotheon> eight-pixel font
22:07:22 <Mochi102> yeah... was a crazy idea
22:07:37 <apotheon> but it might be exactly the kind of crazy we need
22:07:54 <Mochi102> lol
22:07:58 <apotheon> It'd be an inherently "unique serial numbered" set.
22:08:27 <apotheon> "I want one with my first transaction on it."
22:08:30 <apotheon> "What's the blockheight?"
22:08:35 <apotheon> "I'm not telling YOU!!!!"
22:08:57 <DirkGently> apotheon: is that belt drive?
22:09:20 <apotheon> yep
22:09:38 <apotheon> 500 thumper, belt drive
22:09:45 <apotheon> good times
22:11:58 <apotheon> DirkGently: Do you ride?
22:12:41 <DirkGently> only motor vehicle that I don't
22:12:52 <apotheon> ah
22:13:01 <apotheon> shame
22:13:21 <apotheon> Some people just don't like it, I guess.
22:14:58 <DirkGently> you should ride it on the NY highways like the crazies do
22:15:37 <apotheon> I don't go to NY.
22:15:48 <apotheon> I ride it in the mountains.
22:16:14 <DirkGently> looks like it
22:16:23 <DirkGently> I go everywhere
22:16:27 <apotheon> (and through roundabouts, and on lakeside roads, and gravel/dirt roads, and so on)
22:16:42 <apotheon> I have another bike I'd use on the Interstate, except it's partially disassembled right now.
22:17:39 <apotheon> https://gateway.pinata.cloud/ipfs/QmZiGYoJ9b6MTWjA7dvSsUKhm2kNdL631fkGwFztFdAA1z/xj650_outtagas.jpg
22:18:05 <apotheon> Even in that image, the side covers are missing (thus making the battery jarringly visible).
22:18:25 <apotheon> There are many changes I still want to make to that.
22:19:50 <apotheon> The first, Gristle, needs a headlight swap and the addition of handguards.  I'm thinking of adding ammo cans as panniers to Gristle, too.  Other than that, I'm considering some paint and de-chroming.  That's not much to change, compared to what has already been done.
22:20:02 <Mochi102> apotheon, the Monroe Ave has nothing to do with why you're posting that pic here?
22:20:16 <apotheon> just lucky
22:20:20 <Mochi102> :D
22:20:34 <apotheon> I'm considering a photo edit to rearrange those last three letters, though.
22:20:41 <apotheon> The problem is that I suck at image editing.
22:20:43 <Mochi102> yeah
22:20:51 <apotheon> I can crop and resize okay, though.
22:24:19 <Mochi102> here: https://imgur.com/undefined
22:24:22 <apotheon> .val xmr
22:24:22 <Wallet> apotheon: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈344.25 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$342.21 24HΔ: -11.64284% Vol: 300.62K [0m] • cmc: ≈$346.28 24HΔ: -10.64835% 7DΔ: -23.1248% [< 15m]
22:24:23 <Mochi102> oops
22:24:32 <Mochi102> here: https://imgur.com/a/iS8kIq8
22:24:48 <Mochi102> https://i.imgur.com/mvk8AOs.jpeg
22:25:05 <Mochi102> apotheon, ^^^
22:25:11 <apotheon> ahh, script-avoidance for that last link
22:25:13 <apotheon> using it now
22:25:52 <apotheon> .tip Mochi102 0.002 xmr
22:25:52 <Wallet> apotheon tipped 0.002 XMR (≈$0.69) to Mochi101 [62884160]
22:26:04 <Mochi102> ;)
22:28:14 <Mochi102> oh man... apotheon you want it to be monero ave and 69th street?
22:30:04 <apotheon> The missus is now laughing about that.
22:30:49 <Mochi102> https://i.imgur.com/gTDFeak.jpg
22:30:53 <Mochi102> there you go
22:30:57 <Mochi102> new one
22:31:17 <Mochi102> E 69th St and Monero Ave
22:31:31 <apotheon> You're killing me.  I love this.
22:33:11 <Mochi102> Wait... you want Elon Musk sitting on the bike in an Astronaut's Suite while it's floating through space on the way to mars?
22:33:18 <apotheon> No, thank you.
22:33:24 <Mochi102> ok good
22:33:26 <apotheon> whew
22:33:26 <Mochi102> :P
22:34:00 <apotheon> I guess you liked my tip quantity.
22:34:03 <Mochi102> anyways... I need sleeps... later peeps
22:34:08 <Mochi102> yeah, thanks man
22:34:35 <apotheon> "0.69 USD" was semi-intentional
22:34:39 <apotheon> g'night
22:34:52 <apotheon> I need to figure out how to get home without my laptop getting waterlogged, walking in the rain.
22:36:45 <apotheon> I think, one of these days, I'll slap a Monero sticker onto one of the lite poles at that intersection and take that pic again, with more modifications on the bike -- and get Mochi102 to fix the street signs again.